Morgan LeFlay Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 Well I'm going to post on my thought of the ban list. Note that only TCG cards are specified. Feel free to comment or ask questions. //Forbidden Cards - Zero Per Deck BLACK LUSTER SOLDIER – ENVOY OF THE BEGINNING BUTTERFLY DAGGER – ELMA CALL OF THE HAUNTED CARD OF SAFE RETURN CHANGE OF HEART CHAOS EMPEROR DRAGON – ENVOY OF THE END CONFISCATION CYBER JAR CYBER-STEIN DARK HOLE DARK MAGICIAN OF CHAOS DELINQUENT DUO DESTINY HERO – DISK COMMANDER DIMENSION FUSION EXCHANGE OF THE SPIRIT FIBER JAR GRACEFUL CHARITY HARPIE’S FEATHER DUSTER IMPERIAL ORDER LAST TURN LAST WILL MAGICAL SCIENTIST MAGICIAN OF FAITH MAKYURA THE DESTRUCTORMASK OF DARKNESSMIRAGE OF NIGHTMARE PAINFUL CHOICE POT OF GREED PREMATURE BURIAL RAIGEKI RING OF DESTRUCTION SINISTER SERPENT SNATCH STEAL THE FORCEFUL SENTRY THOUSAND-EYES RESTRICT TREEBORN FROGTRIBE-INFECTING VIRUS VICTORY DRAGON WITCH OF THE BLACK FOREST YATA-GARASU NEW! Card of Safe Return, Mask of Darkness, Treeborn Frog //Limited Cards - One Per DeckADVANCED RITUAL ART ALLURE OF DARKNESSBRAIN CONTROL BREAKER THE MAGICAL WARRIOR CARD DESTRUCTION CARD TROOPER CEASEFIRE CHAOS SORCERER CHARGE OF THE LIGHT BRIGADECRUSH CARD VIRUS CYBER DRAGON D.D. WARRIOR LADY DANDYLIONDARK ARMED DRAGONDESTINY DRAWDESTINY HERO - MALICIOUSE - EMERGENCY CALLEMERGENCY TELEPORTEXODIA THE FORBIDDEN ONE FISSURE FUTURE FUSION GIANT TRUNADE Gladiator Beast BestiariGOLD SARCOPHAGUS GORZ THE EMISSARY OF DARKNESS GOYO GUARDIANGRAVITY BIND GREEN BABOON, DEFENDER OF THE FOREST HEAVY STORM JUDGMENT DRAGONLEFT ARM OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE LEFT LEG OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE LEVEL LIMIT – AREA B LIMITER REMOVAL MAGIC CYLINDER MARSHMALLON MEGAMORPH MEZUKIMIRROR FORCE MONSTER GATE MONSTER REBORN MORPHING JAR MYSTICAL SPACE TYPHOON NEO-SPACIAN GRAND MOLE NIGHT ASSAILANT OJAMA TRIO OVERLOAD FUSION PHOENIX WING WIND BLASTPLAGUESPREADER ZOMBIEREINFORCEMENT OF THE ARMYREASONING RETURN FROM THE DIFFERENT DIMENSION RIGHT ARM OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE RIGHT LEG OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE SANGAN SMASHING GROUND SNIPE HUNTER SPIRIT REAPER SWORDS OF REVEALING LIGHT THE TRANSMIGRATION PROPHECY TIME SEALTRAP DUSTSHOOT TSUKYOMIUNITED WE STAND WALL OF REVEALING LIGHT WULF, LIGHTSWORN BEAST NEW! Allure of Darkness, Chaos Sorceror, Charge of the Light Brigade, Dark Armed Dragon, Destiny Draw, Destiny Hero - Malicious, E - Emergency Call, Emergency Teleport, Gladiator Beast Bestiari, Goyo Guardian, Judgment Dragon, Mezuki, Phoenix Wing Wind Blast, Plaguespreader Zombie, Reinforcement of the Army, Time Seal, Tsukyomi, Wulf, Lightsworn Beast //Semi-Limited Cards - Two Per DeckBOOK OF MOON CHAIN STRIKE COLD WAVEGOBLIN ZOMBIEMAGICAL STONE EXCAVATION MIND CRUSHNECROFACE NOBLEMAN OF CROSSOUT RESCUE CAT SCAPEGOATULTIMATE OFFERINGTEST TIGERTORRENTIAL TRIBUTE TRADE-IN NEW! Cold Wave, Goblin Zombie, Mind Crush, Scapegoat, Test Tiger, Torrential Tribute, Trade-In, Ultimate Offering NEW! The following cards are no longer limited: Elemental Hero Stratos, Foolish Burial, Manticore of Darkness, Phantom of Chaos, Raiza the Storm Monarch, Twin-Headed Behemoth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnSlaUghT Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 your heart is in the right place with this list, but the bestiari was too far, just limit/ban gyzarus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie Lupia Blitzer Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 I need reasoning for PWWB, Smashing Ground, Fissure, and Tsukuyomi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 Lol, 3x Stratos. Lol, everything you limited and semi-limited. Lol, chaosgodkarl's banlist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orphaned_godzilla Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 Lol' date=' 3x Stratos. Lol, everything you limited and semi-limited. Lol, chaosgodkarl's banlist.[/quote'] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 Lol' date=' 3x Stratos. Lol, everything you limited and semi-limited. Lol, chaosgodkarl's banlist.[/quote']lol Mask of Darkness banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curium Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 lol Mask of Darkness banned. Actually, he did it for unbanning Tsukuyomi. --------------------------------------------- Lol tutors limited. What's wrong with tutors?Funny how you limit tutor spells like RotA and even emergency call while you let probably the best tutor available on legs (Stratos) unlimited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan LeFlay Posted February 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 Ah, I walked off for a while. Yes, Mask of Darkness was banned to bring back Tsukyomi. Without Mask of Darkness, Tsukyomi doesn't deserve banning anymore. Lol, 3x Stratos. Why not? A lot of the changes were made to prevent Stratos abuse after all. I need reasoning for PWWB, Smashing Ground, Fissure, and Tsukuyomi. Tsukyomi is a good card that was only really banned because of Mask of Darkness abuse. Take that out of the equation, and it makes flip effects decent again. A lot of the changes were to slow down the game a little bit. Smashing and Fissure MIGHT not need limited anymore, but in my opinion in this format they can stay limited. PWWB was limited because Raiza was unlimited, to avoid the bounce threat by those decks that used to use 3 Raiza and 3 PWWB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curium Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 Lol' date=' 3x Stratos.[/quote'] Why not? A lot of the changes were made to prevent Stratos abuse after all. Now, you know how even though Gadgets have 1000~1400ATK they're still powerful and widely used because of their instant +1 when summoned? Imagine that, with 1800ATK instead and the last one can actually search another useful card (or destroy S/Ts) instead of being a dead card. You don't even care about drawing two, too. Even if you ban every other HERO monster there is, Stratos can still be abused as a 1800 beatstick that gains you advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan LeFlay Posted February 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 I was considering semi-limiting it, but it's not THAT bad on its own. Even though it can search itself, it only has 3 copies and not 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 Ohnoes, only three copies - which translates in practical terms to four, since the last Stratos still searches something else of use. And all three copies are tutorable, to boot. Your Limits are exactly what I would expect of a Konamitard - you look at what decks people are using, then toss arbitrary restrictions at a bunch of random cards on the grounds that people use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan LeFlay Posted February 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 And all three copies are tutorable, to boot. Tutorable by 1 copy of ROTA and E - Emergency call. In any case it's either semi-limited or unlimited. Prove to me that it would be broken at 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Star Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 Elemental Hero Stratos at 3? Are you trying to ruin the game or..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan LeFlay Posted February 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 Show me how Stratos at 3 would ruin the game. Malicious at 1, Disk still banned. Trade-In at 2, Allure and D-Draw at 1. ROTA and E - Emergency call at 1. The only thing that makes it abusable is that it can search itself. I don't see that as being that problematic though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Star Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 Show me how Stratos at 3 would ruin the game. It would ruin the game because it searches itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 Show me how Stratos at 3 would ruin the game. It would ruin the game because it searches itself. Gadgets search themselves. ZOMG, game ruining. On-topic: It tutors itself, plus a multitude of other monsters. It is almost never a dead draw, and always results in a +1, as long as you have E-, D-, And Ev- Heroes in your deck. The fact that TC limits E-Call and RoTA just to stop Stratos abuse, rather then imposing a limit on Stratos is a grand ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Star Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Show me how Stratos at 3 would ruin the game. It would ruin the game because it searches itself. Gadgets search themselves. ZOMG' date=' game ruining.[/quote'] Gadgets don't have 1800 ATK, they aren't searchable, and they can't do other things in addition to searching themselves. Stratos can. So it should be limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan LeFlay Posted February 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 We've already established that, prove to me how that would ruin the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Show me how Stratos at 3 would ruin the game. Simple. It is a searchable super-Gadget with 1800 ATK. If Stratos was unable to search another copy of itself' date=' it would be perfectly acceptable at 3. Trade-In at 2, Allure and D-Draw at 1. ROTA and E - Emergency call at 1. Those should all be at 3. D-Draw is theme-specific. Instead of weakening themes by Limiting certain cards, ban the real problems. Trade-In forces you to main 6 or more Level 8 monsters to be useful. Put at 3. Allure is debatable. Personally I think it can be at 3 as long as the banworthy win conditions it can draw into are gone. Reinforcement of the Army and Emergency Teleport. Again, kill the real probelms instead of weakening them. Malicious should be at 2 if you are going to touch it. This list has too many problems to point them all out so take this piece of advice. Look at my list and think about how your list should be constructed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 We've already established that' date=' prove to me how that would ruin the game.[/quote'] It wouldn't. A move can reduce the quality of the game without ruining it. Not every mistake has the same results as, say, putting Magical Scientist and Cyber-Stein at 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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