werewolfjedi Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 I was looking at them, and I realised, they don't actually say they are effect monsters. now, only a complete tard to the game wouldn't understand the color of the card means they have an effect, but since it does not actualy say effect, is it actually an effect monster in terms of what a card does to it, like non-spellcasting area, which effects all non-effect monsters. just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Orange = Effect monsterVanilla = Normal monster Konami could have made them [Warrior/Effect/Tuner]But no, Konami cant put effort into anything Yugioh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Konami could have made them [Warrior/Effect/Tuner]But no' date=' Konami cant put effort into anything Yugioh...[/quote']Or, you know, the fact that would look odd. Any sub-type has that instead of it's effect kid, it's doesn't mean it isn't treated as an effect monster. Being orange also signifies that they have effects. You can be an effect monster and have a sub-type too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolfjedi Posted February 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Konami could have made them [Warrior/Effect/Tuner]But no' date=' Konami cant put effort into anything Yugioh...[/quote']Or, you know, the fact that would look odd. Any sub-type has that instead of it's effect kid, it's doesn't mean it isn't treated as an effect monster. Being orange also signifies that they have effects. You can be an effect monster and have a sub-type too. we have an uninformed noob population. I just wanted to get this question answered before it comes up. someone is trying a normal beatdown with synchro, and I want ot make sure I can answer this question correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 If they weren't Effect Monsters, they wouldn't have effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Well Konami has yet to give us a [Thunder/Gemini/Tuner], So...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 If being a Tuner is a Sub-Type, I don't think you'll be seeing any Gemini Tuners or w/e. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Armory Arm wasnt a Synchro Union, when it should have So Im kind of guessing Konami will never release Double Subtypes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolfjedi Posted February 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Armory Arm wasnt a Synchro Union' date=' when it should have So Im kind of guessing Konami will never release Double Subtypes[/quote'] why shouldn't they anyway, I mean they do keep that entire line open for types and sub-types, I bet you could fit in all of them easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbra Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Using Effect as a Subtype these days is very outdated. Probably, it was just used at first to distinguish them from Normal Monsters. But since we now have monsters other than Normal Monsters, the term "Effect Monster" needs an update. As the wording is now, Skill Drain actually only negates the effects of monsters with the Effect subtype: Gemini Monsters can Normal Summon themselves to gain their effects (which are then negated by Skill Drain, but still.) More important, monsters belonging to other Subtypes don't have their effects negated. Armory Arm isn't, and shouldn't be, a Union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Armory Arm wasnt a Synchro Union' date=' when it should have So Im kind of guessing Konami will never release Double Subtypes[/quote'] why shouldn't they anyway, I mean they do keep that entire line open for types and sub-types, I bet you could fit in all of them easy.Yes, they should use YCM as a shining example of what to do; add so many extra sub-types that the card looks terrible. Using Effect as a Subtype these days is very outdated. Probably' date=' it was just used at first to distinguish them from Normal Monsters. But since we now have monsters other than Normal Monsters, the term "Effect Monster" needs an update. As the wording is now, Skill Drain actually only negates the effects of monsters with the Effect subtype: Gemini Monsters can Normal Summon themselves to gain their effects (which are then negated by Skill Drain, but still.) More important, monsters belonging to other Subtypes don't have their effects negated. Armory Arm isn't, and shouldn't be, a Union.[/quote']An effect was never a sub-type though. It was there before sub-types were made so it was put in that spot, but any card with any orange background is treated as such. If it wasn't treated as an Effect monster it wouldn't matter about Skill Drain, their effect wouldn't be active at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbra Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Look at any Effect monster. Stratos for example says "Warrior / Effect" in it's Type. Then, look at Gigaplant, or Z-Metal Tank, or Junk Synchron. Plant / Gemini, Machine / Union, Warrior / Tuner. Conclusion: Effect is a Subtype. The fact that Gigaplant, Z-Metal Tank and Junk Synchron have the same background color as Effect monsters simply mean that they are Effect cards, not Effect monsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 That's odd. Is there a ruling on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolfjedi Posted February 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 That's odd. Is there a ruling on it? and so it comes full circle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Nitton is just plain wrong. They're effect monsters. Also, Armory Arm doesn't behave like a Union monster. It can be equipped in multiples but doesn't protect the equipped monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 That's odd. Is there a ruling on it? and so it comes full circle. How so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbra Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 I know OCG well enough to consider Effect to be a Subtype. However, according to Skill Drain's ruling on Toons, it seems that Drain targets the Monster Type of Effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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