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Yeah' date=' when talking about stats, of course I use base points. Talking about stats generally would be useless, seeing as they change totally depending on nature/EVs. Also, 10 point is not huge. It corresponds to 20 more points in speed. Incidentally, the actually number is entirely irrelevant, a more useful number would be the new amount of Pokemon outspeeds. The difference between Latios and Salamence is that Latios outspeeds everything Salamence does, as well as Electabuzz, Garchomp, Infernape, Kadabra, Lopunny, Manectric, and Mismagius. None of those are used frequently in OU (or rather, would be used frequently in OU) except Electabuzz, Garchomp, and Infernape. So, basically, the difference between Latios and Salamence is that Latios outspeeds three more Pokemon. Oh, and guess what - none of those three Pokemon would ever even switch into Latios or Salamence, because Electa and Infernape are both paper weights, and Chomp would get hit by a STAB SE Draco Meteor. The difference in speed between Latios and Salamence is small enough to be bloody useless. The only real difference in the way the play is that HP Ice Infernape/Electivire, and certain types of Garchomp, can revenge kill Salamence, once it has already killed something (Ie, performed its main task). That's quite literally the only difference in terms of their speed.

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You forgot Latias outspeeds Salamence, which is an important fact. And being able to outspeed Infernape is important with him being one of the top 10 most use pokemon meaning odds of running in to one is high. Also even if APe can't switch in on Sal, Sal really wouldn't switch in on an Ape for fear of it have said HP Ice.

 

Jirachi isn't haxy enough. Skymin had 60% chance for +Sp.A and a 60% chance for flinch. Jirachi has to make do with 60% flinch. If Jirachi had an attack that allowed it a 60% chance for an attack increase' date=' I have no doubt that people would be suggesting it for Ubers.

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Fair enough.

 

Usage has nothing to do with whether a Pokemon is Uber; look at the Wobbuffet test. He was barely used' date=' but it was clear he was Uber anyway. Usage simply means they're viable with a lot of different teams. If you were banning based on usage, you'd have to ban Scizor (which would be stupid) and then you'd have to ban Kyogre from Ubers (seeing as Kyogre has over 30% usage in Ubers), and that'd be even more stupid. Garchomp attained over 30% usage because he could fit easily on a lot of teams, this by itself is not indicative of Uber status.

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I never said useage has anything to do with a pokemon being uber. I only brought it up to shows that their clearly is, or at least was, a huge difference between Sal and Chomp because Chomp had 60,000 more uses back in the day.

 

I have seen what these supposed Ubers can do to my best OU team' date=' I took part in the Suspect Tests, and managed voting status on all. In the Deoxys-S and Wobbuffet tests, I was destroyed, hence why I voted for them to remain Uber. In none of the other tests did I ever feel sufficiently "destroyed" (well, unless I got an unlucky run against Skymin, but that's luck and not the Pokemon itself) to vote Uber. The reason they're Uber is because frankly, Smogon is a ban culture, and I'm not the only one to think that. goofball does as well, and he's won two of the Official Smogon Tournaments running - ie, he's no lightweight.

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This could be because of miscommunication and me thinking you ment something else. I thought your statement was at all ubers.

 

Seeing as I qualified for voting status' date=' it's damn clear that I know what I'm talking about.

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Again, a likely miscommunication is what caused me to make that statement. And how could I know if you got voting status?

 

Also just because you did doesn't mean your good at reading into how to create a good pokemon meta. It's the same in yugioh. Just because your the World Champ doesn't mean you'd know the first thing about creating a good banlist.

 

The hell. Of course it does a decent amount of damage' date=' it's a CB STAB move. 20% is 5HKO, what are you complaining about? Scizor is used a lot simply because he's the best scout in existance. His job is to find out exactly what your opponent is doing, and then provide team support in the form of U-Turn. If you actually get swept by Scizor, you're playing wrong.

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It's the fact that it's doing that much damage to a pokemon that is ment to wall it. U-Turn off Scizor can put a nice dent into all but a few pokemon. The fact that while he is doing so much damage your opponent also gets a free switch to what ever pokemon may counter your pokemon is simply ridiculous.

 

And it is very easy for a Scizor to sweep though a team. The SD set not only has great staying power thanks to healing in the form of Roost, it can down most of it's would be counters with a good prediction. Also the fact that BP can do so much damage to most pokemon give it a huge chance to sweep. And don't even say you can easily swtich in counter, because if that counter is gone Scizor now a huge opening to rip a team to pieces. And this leads to why his "uberness" can be brought into play. If he is so good that most teams are running at least two pokemon to counter him then he is over centralizing the meta and that is bad.

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Who can tell me if any of these teams are good to use in a pokemon game?

 

1: Torterra, Blastoise, Blaziken, Regirock, Ampharos and Murkrow

2: Infernape, Sceptile, Rayquaza, Kingdra, Lucaio and Abomasnow

3: Moltres, Metagross, Mightyenna, Castform, Blastoise, Lucario

4: Staraptor, Magmortar, Lucario, Floatzel, Empoleon and Roserade (My Roserade knows Poison jab like Barry's!)

 

My favorite pokemonis treecko, he's awesome right?

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While I'm waiting to get replacement for my broke Diamond DS game (broke a couple months ago), I decided to start a new game on my other three Pokemon games (FireRed, Emerald, and Sapphire). I already wrote down my E4 team, but I wanted to ask something.

 

What's the best moveset for a Swampert? I'm thinking something like EQ, Surf, Ice Beam, and...not sure about the last one, but I'm not sure. Any help? Also, what's a good nature for a Mudkip? (Btw, this is in Emerald.)

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Who can tell me if any of these teams are good to use in a pokemon game?

 

1: Torterra' date=' Blastoise, Blaziken, Regirock, Ampharos and [b']Murkrow (get evo)[/b]

2: Infernape, Sceptile, Rayquaza (uber), Kingdra, Lucaio and Abomasnow

3: Moltres, Metagross, Mightyenna, Castform (is bad, Blastoise, Lucario

4: Staraptor, Magmortar, Lucario, Floatzel, Empoleon and Roserade (My Roserade knows Poison jab like Barry's!)

 

My favorite pokemonis treecko, he's awesome right?

They all look decent for in game. Really though, you can beat the main story easily if you know what your doing.

 

While I'm waiting to get replacement for my broke Diamond DS game (broke a couple months ago)' date=' I decided to start a new game on my other three Pokemon games (FireRed, Emerald, and Sapphire). I already wrote down my E4 team, but I wanted to ask something.

 

What's the best moveset for a Swampert? I'm thinking something like EQ, Surf, Ice Beam, and...not sure about the last one, but I'm not sure. Any help? Also, what's a good nature for a Mudkip? (Btw, this is in Emerald.)

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Curse works if you can get it. Really though, those 3 are all you need.

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My fav pokemanz are charizard and rayquaza, though I like swampert too. In my emerald I got bored, so I ended up with 200+ plying hours, 6 level 100 pokemon (swapert, groudon, kyogre, rayquaza, salamense, and espeon) and got ever hoen pokemon besides latias. The clone glitch is nice in emerald (suicunes for some reason are really popular on the GE, I get darkrais at lv 100 for them).

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Seeing as I missed the whole huge ass text argument:

 

Scizor is not Suspect material. Yes it can U-Turn rape your ass but with a Choice Band he dies quickly to SR damage and taking hits while switching in. Scizor's SD set is countered by the #2 OU pokemon, Gyarados, along with ANYTHING faster than it. And that's alot of things considering Scizor has base 65 speed. If it resists Steel and has a decent speed number, it beats out Scizor.

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Seeing as I missed the whole huge ass text argument:

 

Scizor is not Suspect material. Yes it can U-Turn rape your ass but with a Choice Band he dies quickly to SR damage and taking hits while switching in. Scizor's SD set is countered by the #2 OU pokemon' date=' Gyarados, along with ANYTHING faster than it. And that's alot of things considering Scizor has base 65 speed. If it resists Steel and has a decent speed number, it beats out Scizor.

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Or you'll die quickly from the SR. U-Turn can do about 1/4 damage to thinks that are only taking 1/2 damage so most pokemon will loss about half they're HP. Then you add on the fact that your getting a free switch giving you a pokemon can easily finish of what ever pokemon you may have left And having it last also isn't that hard with having a base 100 defense and with it only being weak to one type.

 

Scizor's SD set is countered by the #2 OU pokemon' date=' Gyarados, along with ANYTHING faster than it. And that's alot of things considering Scizor has base 65 speed. If it resists Steel and has a decent speed number, it beats out Scizor.

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Gyara has taken a nice fall from grace and now sits at #6. And with one switch in Gyara is already down 25% HP and when you add on the fact that it's coming in on an attack it will often be near 50%. Also I've found Scizor to be able to survive a Waterfall from my Gyara so this only give it more time to hit back if the Gyara is weakened.

 

Also being slow doesn't matter when your using a priority move backed by STAB, Technician, Swords Dance, and Life Orb. Unless you resist it, BP is going to be doing a huge amount of damage, and even pokemon that do resist it can have problems killing it.

 

The problem with Scizor is that with U-Turn it is one of the hardest pokemon to counter because it really won't stay, and why should it. Being able to hit most pokemon with at least 50% damage and getting a switch with it. Then you look at the SD set very few pokemon can take more then 2 hits after it got in a SD. Even few can do so and be able to OHKO back. The fact that the SD set can heal of any damage it may take only make it that much more of a pain.

 

Am I saying Scizor is an out and out uber, no, but when you look at how much damage just those two sets can do it is more then reasonable to test him.

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I've never understood Pokemon tiers...can someone explain them to me?

 

It basicly is the more a pokemon is used the higher it is.

 

The most used pokemon (I think you need to average about 3.5% useage over 3 months) go into OU.

 

Next all the pokemon that don't make that are in UU. As time passed the cut a similar % limit so that only pokemon above it are UU while all pokemon below are NU.

 

Uber is the last main tier. Pokemon are banned from OU play because they are viewed as too good, however in this tier all pokemon can be used.

 

OU = Over Used

UU = Under

NU = Never

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I hate battling people who spam ou's and think they're good. uu and nu are really the best tiers.... just letting all of you people know that.... i don't battle people with 4 or more ou pokemon and alot of others dont either. creative ou pokemon are okay to though.

OU is the most played tier on shoddy, so that is where your wrong.

 

And just because a pokemon isn't OU doesn't mean it can't be used there. A lot of UU pokemon can work in OU, as can a few NU.

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What's Pokemon Sunday? I never heard of it before.

 

Anyway' date=' I'm finally got a replacement for my broken Diamond, but my sister is being a jackass and won't help me get each starter. I'm trying to figure out who's going to be my main starter though....

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It's a show in Japan all about pokemon that airs on Sundays giving people info.

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What's Pokemon Sunday? I never heard of it before.

 

Anyway' date=' I'm finally got a replacement for my broken Diamond, but my sister is being a jackass and won't help me get each starter. I'm trying to figure out who's going to be my main starter though....

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It's a show in Jspsn all about pokemon that airs on Sundays giving people info.

 

No wonder I never heard of it. Didn't they announce the DS remakes of Gold/Silver?

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What's Pokemon Sunday? I never heard of it before.

 

Anyway' date=' I'm finally got a replacement for my broken Diamond, but my sister is being a jackass and won't help me get each starter. I'm trying to figure out who's going to be my main starter though....

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It's a show in Jspsn all about pokemon that airs on Sundays giving people info.

 

No wonder I never heard of it. Didn't they announce the DS remakes of Gold/Silver?

 

Yea, they where one of the first places that said it was coming out.

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