Official Pokemon Discussion. (The 5th gen starts now)

[~Emo~]

Eh' date=' i need help with my team:

 

Areodactyl

Zapdos

Celebi

T-Tar

Swampert

????

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Are you running Tartar just because he's one of the best Dark types? CUz I really hate to see more than one pokemon of the same type on your team. >.<

 

Azelf? xD

 

Aero is my suicide lead. So he does not count.

 

Personally i don't like Azelf.

[Dad]

Is anyone gonna help me wit da Gyarados then? D:

[~Emo~]

Is anyone gonna help me wit da Gyarados then? D:

 

what is there to help with?

[Felix]

He's running T-Tar because he's one of the best Pokemon PERIOD. Sides, Freddy will run Aero as suicide lead so it's resistances won't come into play.

 

@Freddy: I'd only be able to help if you told us what you were planning on running those Pokemon as. Atm you look like your missing a fast offensive front other than Zapdos which can be played that way.

[~Emo~]

I added flygon.

 

Testing on shoddy now

[Dad]

Smogon ain't bad. T_T I forgot about it until now.

 

And what's Shoddy?

[Flame Dragon]

Shoddy is an online version of Pokemon where you generate your own teams and play other people.

[Dad]

Shoddy is an online version of Pokemon where you generate your own teams and play other people.

 

Is it just Shoddy.com or could I get a pm'd link or something please? :3 It sounds like fun.

[Flame Dragon]

Shoddy is an online version of Pokemon where you generate your own teams and play other people.

 

Is it just Shoddy.com or could I get a pm'd link or something please? :3 It sounds like fun.

http://shoddybattle.com/

 

Oddly enough some one else made a thread about this a little while ago

[Tekken Ham]

NEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW OU list guiz!!!

 

 

Garchomp: 57% Uber (52 OU, 70 Uber, 5 Abstain)

Latias: 21% Uber (98 OU, 26 Uber, 3 Abstain)

Manaphy: 31% Uber (83 OU, 37 Uber, 7 Abstain)

 

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As of the end of stage three, Manaphy is now OU!!

 

Garchomp is banished to the realm of Uber for the time due to a new clause as an addendum to a previous clause. Since Garchomp's votes were always so close, he has been placed in Uber for now.

 

Discuss the potential of Manaphy.

 

With balanced base stats, a decent ability, and amazing typing, Manaphy will definitely fit in in OU.

 

Manaphy usually uses, CMRest Monoattacker, Offensive and Defensive CM, Defensive, and Offensive Tail Glow. As you can see it is very diverse.

 

I think Manaphy would definitely fit in with OU Rain, but not part of the hyper offense, but a great wall/supporter for OU Rain with Rest, CM, Rain Dance, and Surf. Sure Vaporeon walls this set, but Vaporeon can't do sheet to this set either. Suicune still proves troublesome.

[Flame Dragon]

More rain dance teams are going to be coming up now. Thank god my main team runs Empoleon to take the beating from them and T-Tar to swing kill the rain.

 

Also can see Scizor's use falling thanks to this. Manaphy can make for a good counter with the steel resist and STAB Rain boosted Surf hitting Scizor hard.

 

I also see Vaporeon and Suicune use rising for the same reason you said.

[Sweet Lightning]

Yikes. Manaphy in OU? I sense an increase Rain Dance teams now, combined with Manaphy's Hydration...it's gonna be pretty annoying to fight. I see Bulky Water use rising as well.

 

Sorry, if I basically quoted what you said, Flame Dragon...these are just my thoughts. XD

 

Unfortunately, I don't run Tyranitar. Jolteon should take care of Manaphy...I hope.

 

My shoddy battle username is AdvanceAttack, BTW.

[Tekken Ham]

The problem with rain is you have ~7 turns to win before rain stops. IMO Manaphy is much better in Ubers due to Kyogre. I can't really find any use for Manaphy because Rain only lasts so long in OU and really, Rain teams are really fragile. I can see Gyara rising due to a possible increase in rain and it might hit #1 since Rain + Waterfall + 1 DD = 2DD Strong Waterfall. Manaphy isn't a swift swimmer either so his sweeping potential is diminished in the rain.

[Flame Dragon]

The problem with rain is you have ~7 turns to win before rain stops. IMO Manaphy is much better in Ubers due to Kyogre. I can't really find any use for Manaphy because Rain only lasts so long in OU and really' date=' Rain teams are really fragile. I can see Gyara rising due to a possible increase in rain and it might hit #1 since Rain + Waterfall + 1 DD = 2DD Strong Waterfall. Manaphy isn't a swift swimmer either so his sweeping potential is diminished in the rain.

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Still in those 7 turns you can do a lot of damage.

 

Also while Manaphy doesn't have swift swim hurts it sweeping ability it has a base speed of 100 meaning unlike the other rain dance sweepers it doesn't need the rain to have some speed.

 

Also I don't see Gyara use rising since he isn't that common of a pokemon on rain dance team and I don't see Manaphy coming in changing that.

[Tekken Ham]

I see him rising as something that, with bulky EV's, can take anything from +2 Manaphy bar HP Electric, and revenge kill or stall it out. Or take advantage of the common rain and rape stuff.

[Flame Dragon]

I see him rising as something that' date=' with bulky EV's, can take anything from +2 Manaphy bar HP Electric, and revenge kill or stall it out. Or take advantage of the common rain and rape stuff.

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As far as counting it goes Gyara won't take much of a beating from Mana, but Gyara can't do much back.

[Tekken Ham]

Taunt stops most Manaphys cold and Gyara can Dragon Dance on anything bar HP Electric. Also, I really don't see the point of Manaphy being Uber because without permanent rain, Manaphy has a hard time stalling. Sweeperwise, it is only meh because with Base 100 Stats spread around its not going to do much if something faster comes in on a Tail Glow or CM.

 

I can only really see Manaphy as a sweeper, but its ability makes it a wall so its a conundrum.

[Eury]

inb4why'dyoubumpthethread

 

Guise, I need help. I'm going to sound like a newb but, I've never beaten the Battle Frontier on Emerald. D:

 

What would be the best Pokemon to use for each Brain and what would be the best movesets for those Pokemon?

[Felix]

You don't sound like a newb yet, just someone who can't make decision for them selves. Generic Battle Tower teams would be Sweeper (Fast, strong and physical), 2nd Sweeper with a wider range of attacks (Usually Special orrientated) and efficiant Wall for both sides of the spectrum. For most facilities, just do your best to follow those guidelines.

[Deucalion]

The ban culture at Smogon is frankly annoying. The difference between Latios and Salamence is 10 points in speed, and Salamence is capable of using Dragon Dance. Skymin was banned entirely on reasons of people complaining about hax. Garchomp is, again, barely any better than Salamence. The only really legitimate bans have been Deoxys-D and Wobbuffet, people are just complaining for all the others. They're now putting Salamence up for testing. Admittedly, at least this means they're finally being consistent with their tiering decisions, but I'm not so sure that being consistently wrong is better than being inconsistently wrong. When, 5th gen comes out, I hope the admins actually listen to Obi this time, and unban EVERYTHING, then start from top down.

 

Although, to be fair, they don't have much choice, seeing as the testing as a democratic process. The trouble, people like coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust collective groups of people. =/

 

 

EDIT:

 

The famous Emerald Battle Frontier team is the SSS: Starmie, Suicune, Snorlax.

[Flame Dragon]

The ban culture at Smogon is frankly annoying. The difference between Latios and Salamence is 10 points in speed' date=' and Salamence is capable of using Dragon Dance.

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Um....your missing a few other key differences. And it's note 10 points. It's 10 BASE points, which is HUGE.

 

Skymin was banned entirely on reasons of people complaining about hax.

If people ban based on haxs a few other pokemon would go such as Jirachi.

 

Garchomp is' date=' again, barely any better than Salamence.

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Again, their the few differences the two have gives Garchomp a lead over Sal. Remember Comp didn't get over 30% useage for no reason. FYI Chomp only just made uber.

 

The only really legitimate bans have been Deoxys-D and Wobbuffet' date='

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Do you really want to see what an Uber team can do to your best OU team. You will be destroyed. Every Uber is there for a reason.

 

but I'm not so sure that being consistently wrong is better than being inconsistently wrong.

You have no idea what your talking about.

 

Every pokemon that is Uber is so for godd reasons.

 

 

Also the idea that Sal is being tested for Uber before Scizor is simply stupid. U-Turn of a Banded version does about 20% to my Empoleon, which is only taking 1/2 damage, and it's EVed to TAKE hits.

[Felix]

@deucalion: For most people who have emerald, obtainning Snorlax and Suicune would be near impossible.

[Eury]

So...what should I use? I've got a Starmie already, so I can use that.

[Xing]

I looked at the tier list. Now, what's so special about Scizor? He's like, my top 3rd fave, but I've never recognized him as being F***ING DIE!!!!

[Deucalion]

Um....your missing a few other key differences. And it's note 10 points. It's 10 BASE points' date=' which is HUGE.[/quote']

 

Yeah, when talking about stats, of course I use base points. Talking about stats generally would be useless, seeing as they change totally depending on nature/EVs. Also, 10 point is not huge. It corresponds to 20 more points in speed. Incidentally, the actually number is entirely irrelevant, a more useful number would be the new amount of Pokemon outspeeds. The difference between Latios and Salamence is that Latios outspeeds everything Salamence does, as well as Electabuzz, Garchomp, Infernape, Kadabra, Lopunny, Manectric, and Mismagius. None of those are used frequently in OU (or rather, would be used frequently in OU) except Electabuzz, Garchomp, and Infernape. So, basically, the difference between Latios and Salamence is that Latios outspeeds three more Pokemon. Oh, and guess what - none of those three Pokemon would ever even switch into Latios or Salamence, because Electa and Infernape are both paper weights, and Chomp would get hit by a STAB SE Draco Meteor. The difference in speed between Latios and Salamence is small enough to be bloody useless. The only real difference in the way the play is that HP Ice Infernape/Electivire, and certain types of Garchomp, can revenge kill Salamence, once it has already killed something (Ie, performed its main task). That's quite literally the only difference in terms of their speed.

 

If people ban based on haxs a few other pokemon would go such as Jirachi.

 

Jirachi isn't haxy enough. Skymin had 60% chance for +Sp.A and a 60% chance for flinch. Jirachi has to make do with 60% flinch. If Jirachi had an attack that allowed it a 60% chance for an attack increase, I have no doubt that people would be suggesting it for Ubers.

 

Again' date=' their the few differences the two have gives Garchomp a lead over Sal. Remember Chomp didn't get over 30% useage for no reason. FYI Chomp only just made uber.[/quote']

 

Usage has nothing to do with whether a Pokemon is Uber; look at the Wobbuffet test. He was barely used, but it was clear he was Uber anyway. Usage simply means they're viable with a lot of different teams. If you were banning based on usage, you'd have to ban Scizor (which would be stupid) and then you'd have to ban Kyogre from Ubers (seeing as Kyogre has over 30% usage in Ubers), and that'd be even more stupid. Garchomp attained over 30% usage because he could fit easily on a lot of teams, this by itself is not indicative of Uber status.

 

Do you really want to see what an Uber team can do to your best OU team. You will be destroyed. Every Uber is there for a reason.

 

I have seen what these supposed Ubers can do to my best OU team, I took part in the Suspect Tests, and managed voting status on all. In the Deoxys-S and Wobbuffet tests, I was destroyed, hence why I voted for them to remain Uber. In none of the other tests did I ever feel sufficiently "destroyed" (well, unless I got an unlucky run against Skymin, but that's luck and not the Pokemon itself) to vote Uber. The reason they're Uber is because frankly, Smogon is a ban culture, and I'm not the only one to think that. goofball does as well, and he's won two of the Official Smogon Tournaments running - ie, he's no lightweight.

 

You have no idea what your talking about.

 

Every pokemon that is Uber is so for godd reasons.

 

Seeing as I qualified for voting status, it's damn clear that I know what I'm talking about.

 

Also the idea that Sal is being tested for Uber before Scizor is simply stupid. U-Turn of a Banded version does about 20% to my Empoleon, which is only taking 1/2 damage, and it's EVed to TAKE hits.

 

The hell. Of course it does a decent amount of damage, it's a CB STAB move. 20% is 5HKO, what are you complaining about? Scizor is used a lot simply because he's the best scout in existance. His job is to find out exactly what your opponent is doing, and then provide team support in the form of U-Turn. If you actually get swept by Scizor, you're playing wrong. In contrast, Salamence fits on less teams because he needs much more support (Mence/Zone/Scizor/Swine// is the general set up) and is therefore more situational than Scizor, but once he has that support, he dominates in a way that Scizor never can, which is why they are testing him. I don't think he is Uber (then again, neither do I think Skymin, Garchomp, or Latios is Uber, and possibly even Deoxys-D (although I'd need more experience before I'd be willing to say anything on that)), but if they think Latias is worthy of a Suspect test, then by extension, Salamence HAS to be, since he is undoubtably more powerful than Latias.