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Aerodactyl should be your lead. Without it you don't have one. Starmie isn't really a sweeper' date=' it just doesn't have the power; it's better as a revenge killer.

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Aero is a great lead, but so is Roserade. However I think Rose can also work in a later slot in the team

 

Is what I figured but I was going to suggest dropping Roserade over Tentcruel.

 

Starmie is a very able sweeper. A large move pool, good special attack and great speeds give him all he needs. Give it a Life Orb and it's going to hurt.

 

Unless you give it Hydro Pump, Thunder, Blizzard and something else, it doesn't it hard enough to properly sweep, even then it's still lack luster. If you do give it those moves it then becomes very unreliable. Revenge killer or a utility Pokemon in my eyes, they're are better options for a sweeper.

 

 

Call me mad for stepping up to Felix but seriously, LO Surf from modest 252 spA Starmie + the STAB kills hundreds of stuff, some that resist it too. It is a good revenge killer, but still, it's capable of sweeping whole teams. oh and the speed of starmie is great too. and its a great DDGyara counter. I could be wrong with all of this, but still.

 

Classic Starmie sweeper was

@ Petaya

 

Surf

Ice Beam

Thunderbolt

Psychic

 

Most EVs in SpATK and Speed, while everything else went to HP. It's still pretty sticky IMO.

You wouldn't use Petaya since it can be hard to get it to go off. Life Orb is a better item.

 

Sub-Starmie could sweep with Petaya, with 101 hp substitutes. It was a sort of replica of Sub-CalmMind Kyogre, but better.

1) It can't get 101 HP subs >_>

2) How the hell is this better then ANY pokemon that does a sub plus stat up. This can't use a stat up move so here your limited to cutting your HP till your near dead just to get one boost. With others you can get the same boost with 1 sub. Some times you can get a couple of boost in before even the first sub breaks. Also most of the time the boost would be better since it comes with more. Perfect example is Calm Mind also ups defence.

 

Maybe it's because I'm still in Emerald. xD If I had other options for my Starmie to hold I'd use them, but for now, I'm stuck with Petaya. >.>

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So some news on what you may see with the new tier lisst is the Aggron is likely to be in the top 50. Or at least top 60. This is thanks to his new STAB allowing him to do massive damage.

 

Also Crobat might be higher thanks to it getting Super Fang.

 

Again I'll post the list when it comes up.

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^ That's AWESOME. =D

Anyways, I'd go Squirtle: Does great in first Gym; just pick up a Pikachu before-wise to deal with Misty.

You can also go Bulbasaur for the first 2 Gyms being quite easy; it may not be as easy later on.

Charmander doesn't do so well in the first 2 Gyms, but it's Stats and Moves definetely make it worth it later on in the game. It's power in the beginning can also help with the ton of trainers in Viridian Forest, since the Pokemon there are Bug-Type.

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^ That's AWESOME. =D

Anyways' date=' I'd go Squirtle: Does great in first Gym; just pick up a Pikachu before-wise to deal with Misty.[b']If you have a Wartortule by then, and it knows Bite, Misty is fairly easy[/b]

You can also go Bulbasaur for the first 2 Gyms being quite easy; it may not be as easy later on.Funny, how right after Surge is the Rock Tunnel.

Charmander doesn't do so well in the first 2 Gyms, but it's Stats and Moves definetely make it worth it later on in the game.Charmander can actually do well agenst Brock. You just need to make his level a bit higher then Brock's Pokemon. It's power in the beginning can also help with the ton of trainers in Viridian Forest, since the Pokemon there are Bug-Type.You somewhat need to get a Pikachu as well. Since Misty wont exactly be "Easy" if you have Charmander

 

charmander is the shiz.

Charazard ftw?

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^ That's AWESOME. =D

Anyways' date=' I'd go Squirtle: Does great in first Gym; just pick up a Pikachu before-wise to deal with Misty.[b']If you have a Wartortule by then, and it knows Bite, Misty is fairly easy[/b]

You can also go Bulbasaur for the first 2 Gyms being quite easy; it may not be as easy later on.Funny, how right after Surge is the Rock Tunnel.

Charmander doesn't do so well in the first 2 Gyms, but it's Stats and Moves definetely make it worth it later on in the game.Charmander can actually do well agenst Brock. You just need to make his level a bit higher then Brock's Pokemon. It's power in the beginning can also help with the ton of trainers in Viridian Forest, since the Pokemon there are Bug-Type.You somewhat need to get a Pikachu as well. Since Misty wont exactly be "Easy" if you have Charmander

 

charmander is the shiz.

Charazard ftw?

The number 36 says yes.

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charmander is the shiz.

Charazard ftw?

Yes. Charizard FTW.

 

 

 

Update:

I'm going to choose Charmander.

 

I'm naming it Alasdair' date=' after my friend who also recently restarted Blue.

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Name it Flame Dragon. Doing so will make it's sexiness level go up by 20.

 

On Topic: Still waiting for the tier list. If you want to see how the real completive scene works and not just see it on said tier list get a shoddy account.

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charmander is the shiz.

Charazard ftw?

Yes. Charizard FTW.

 

 

 

Update:

I'm going to choose Charmander.

 

I'm naming it Alasdair' date=' after my friend who also recently restarted Blue.

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Name it Flame Dragon. Doing so will make it's sexiness level go up by 20.

 

On Topic: Still waiting for the tier list. If you want to see how the real completive scene works and not just see it on said tier list get a shoddy account.

 

Action Replay makes my Charizard learn Hydro Cannon. Mine > yours.

 

xD J/k. Seriously though, I taught my Snorlax Fly. xD Any other weird move suggestions?

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charmander is the shiz.

Charazard ftw?

Yes. Charizard FTW.

 

 

 

Update:

I'm going to choose Charmander.

 

I'm naming it Alasdair' date=' after my friend who also recently restarted Blue.

[/quote']

Name it Flame Dragon. Doing so will make it's sexiness level go up by 20.

 

On Topic: Still waiting for the tier list. If you want to see how the real completive scene works and not just see it on said tier list get a shoddy account.

 

Action Replay makes my Charizard learn Hydro Cannon. Mine > yours.

 

xD J/k. Seriously though, I taught my Snorlax Fly. xD Any other weird move suggestions?

Give Ninjask Dragon Claw.

 

I just remember this one time when I like sweep a whole team with Rotom-H. It was cool.

 

 

And the new tier list is out

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Scizor has made it over 30% in useage. Their is a chance he will go to ubers. And for the numbers, Scizor was used in 248338 battles. Sal was used in 161052. That's a difference of more then 80000.

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It's nice to see him quite high this time. Where was he last top 50? Was he even on it?

 

Who be him? Scizor's been top so I know it's not him.

 

Um' date=' i'd say your talking about Dragonite who moved up like 8 places.

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Yes I should have specified:/ But you got it it right some how:/

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It's nice to see him quite high this time. Where was he last top 50? Was he even on it?

 

Who be him? Scizor's been top so I know it's not him.

 

Um' date=' i'd say your talking about Dragonite who moved up like 8 places.

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Yes I should have specified:/ But you got it it right some how:/

I'm just that good 8)

 

Yea Dragonite made a huge jump. I really want to know why.

 

Also if Heracross falls into UU, I'm so going to abuse him their. He is like just at the cut off point for dropping their. Also I'm kind of hoping that Scizor does move to ubers since the last pokemon that broke 30% useage was Garchomp and the difference between him and Sal is about 12%.

 

Also speaking of tier list changes, Alakazam, Rhyperior, and Umbreon are now UU. Also Roserade is now OU. Also it looks like Manphy might fall to OU. Charizard, Magmortar, Nidoqueen and Porygon2 are NU (How the hell is 2 NU if it's always in the top 55 of OU. Also :( at Charizard. Now I WILL make a NU team). Aggron, Drifblim, Gardevoir and Magneton are all now UU.

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