Twig Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Wait. Is manaphy banned or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Wait. Is manaphy banned or not? Why wouldn't it be banned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted June 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 Quick side question: Which is the best overall in-game Ice pokemon to use? Beartic, Vanilluxe, or Cryogonal?I'm going to have to say Beartic, but Vanilluxe is good overall. Cryogonal isn't that great, at least I don't think he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnSlaUghT Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 I'm going to have to say Beartic, but Vanilluxe is good overall. Cryogonal isn't that great, at least I don't think he is. Not to mention Cryogonal is stupidly hard to find at this time of year Go for Vanilluxe, it can learn Frost Breath and use it properly, as that will be your only Ice move for a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 So Cryogonal is out. I think I'll use Vanilluxe... Beartic has only one good ice move in Icicle Crash while Vanilluxe can use a couple. But Vanilluxe has a bad movepool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 But Vanilluxe has a bad movepool who cares N used one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnSlaUghT Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 So Cryogonal is out. I think I'll use Vanilluxe... Beartic has only one good ice move in Icicle Crash while Vanilluxe can use a couple. But Vanilluxe has a bad movepool It learns Frost Breath and is a special attacker. Good enough for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 who cares N used one The Champion too right? I guess I'll use Vanilluxe then XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadenxAtemYAOI Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Yesterday was a big tournament. I didn't go, but my friends went, and they sent a Youtube vid seeing that he lost. I warned him lol :P The tournament only allowed 4 pokemon from the Unova region only, so can anyone criticize what I have if I did attend: SigilyphRelaxed NatureWonder GuardHolding Nothing Currently-Toxic-Whirlwind-Cosmic Power-Roost WhimsicottHardy NatureInfiltratorLeftovers-Substitute-Encore-Hurricane-Leech Seed(I got impatient and used the Sun Stone before it could have learned Cotton Guard >.<) MienshaoAdamant NatureRegeneratorNormal Gem-Fake Out-Substitute-High Jump Kick-Acrobatics VolcaronaModest NatureFlame BodyHolding no item-Fiery Dance-Hurricane-Quiver Dance-Some other move...Horrible moveset for sigilyth. Use stored power, cosmic power, psycho shift, and roost then have flame orb equipped. Forgot, here's my layout for the my locals tournament. They're allowing two out region pokemon and it's 6 on 6. Here's my layout Darmanitan EV 252 attack 252 speed 4 hp AdamantSheer Force Item: Choice scarfMoves:U-turnFlare blitzHammer armStone Edge Chandelure EV 255 special attack 255 speed ModestFlash Fire Item: grass gemMoves:Fire BlastShadow BallEnergy BallPsychic Carracosta EV 252 Attack 252 Defense 4hp AdamantSturdy Item: Muscle bandMoves:Stone edgeWater fallAqua JetShell Smash Hydreigon EV 255 Special Attack 255 TimidLevitate Item: Special Lens(not choice specs but similar)Moves:Dark PulseFlamethrowerDragon PulseSurf Breloom Ev 255 attack 255 speed AdamantPoison Heal Item: Toxic OrbMoves:SubSporeFocus PunchSeed Bomb Bronzong Ev 255 defense 255 special defense CalmHeatproof Item: Choice specsMoves:trickskilll swaplight screenflash cannon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadenxAtemYAOI Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 bump for those posting teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrekstasy Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Quick side question: Which is the best overall in-game Ice pokemon to use? Beartic, Vanilluxe, or Cryogonal? Skill Link Cloyster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadenxAtemYAOI Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Skill Link Cloyster?Think he meant w/o transfer, national, and dream world. The answer would depend on the usage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HitoKage Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Haxorus 252 ATK / SPEED4 HP Jolly ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadenxAtemYAOI Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Haxorus 252 ATK / SPEED4 HP Jolly ?Guessing you need a moveset.Item: Dragon GemMoveset:OutrageNight SlashIron TailEarth Quake/Hone Claws Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted June 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 Guessing you need a moveset.Item: Dragon GemMoveset:OutrageNight SlashIron TailEarth Quake/Hone ClawsI really don't like the Gems since Life Orb is such a better item. And Iron Tail really is a bad move. Personally I'd give it Dragon Dance, or since it's a max speed version maybe a Choice Band and Dragon Claw (so you don't want to lock yourself into a move unless you need to). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadenxAtemYAOI Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 I really don't like the Gems since Life Orb is such a better item. And Iron Tail really is a bad move. Personally I'd give it Dragon Dance, or since it's a max speed version maybe a Choice Band and Dragon Claw (so you don't want to lock yourself into a move unless you need to).Iron tail with hone claws would OHKO any ice type. Life orb I can't really agree with. People will more than likely pass on a status effect or setup with stealth rock and such. Life orb will only drain hp faster. Haxorus has a speed of 332 and under when Jolly and isn't fast enough to kill most things that can kill it so life orb would be a bad idea. In the case of dragon vs hone claws it depends on your opponent. If they have a strong ice type. Keep hone claws and use iron tail. If not then dragon dance and dragon claw is fine. Choice band is terrible unless you're smart enough to switch it out at the right time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnSlaUghT Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 A Pokemon Black and White achievement list I made, that died along with the other Pokemon thread. It uses the Xbox's system of Gamerscore (g), with the total being 1000. To calculate your percentage, divide your score by 10. If you guys can comment on it, that would be really helpful, as I want to make my list better. Pokemon Black and White Achievement List Story - 20 achievements, 300 g Monkey Business - Defeat the Stration Gym Leader (10 g)Night at the Museum - Defeat Lenora (10 g)Somebody called for an Exterminator? - Defeat Burgh (10 g)Electric Attraction - Defeat Elesa (10 g)Meanwhile, in Chile - Defeat Clay (10 g)Plane Crash - Defeat Skyla (10 g)Slipped on an Ice Cube - Defeat Brycen (20 g)Dragonshipping - Defeat the Opelucid Gym Leader (20 g) Cave Man - Navigate Victory Road (20 g)To be a Master - Defeat the Elite Four (30 g)The Second Hero - Capture Reshiram/Zekrom (20 g)Figurehead - Defeat N at the Castle (50 g)Sins of the Father - Defeat Ghetsis (30 g) Are you a boy? or a girl? - Look at yer crotch (5 g)Decision of a Lifetime - Pick your Starter (5 g)Plot device - Battle N (5 g)Snape Kills Dumbledore! - Find out N's secret (5 g)You Happy Now! - Follow Alder's request to beat up 2 Preschoolers in a Battle (5 g)Where's the Thunderstones? - Battle N in Chargestone Cave (5 g)The First Hero - Witness the resurrection of Zekrom/Reshiram Post Game Story - 5 achievements, 100 g Lemonparty - Find all 6 Plasma Sages (30 g)Just Filler - Receive a gift from Ghetsis (10 g)Your Game Sucks! - Defeat Gamefreak Morimoto (20 g)An Old Friend - Defeat Cynthia (20 g)Champion of Unova - Defeat Alder and enter the Hall of Fame (20 g) Training and Capturing - 11 achievements, 155 g Rookie - Train a Pokemon to Lv. 20 (5 g)Brawler - Train a Pokemon to Lv. 40 (5 g)Skilled Brawler - Train a Pokemon to Lv. 50 (5 g)Expert - Train a Pokemon to Lv. 70 (5 g)Sensei - Train a Pokemon to Lv. 100 (20 g) Gotta Catch 'em All! - Catch your first Pokemon (5 g)Full House - Catch 6 Pokemon (5 g)Oak would be Proud - Register 300 Pokemon as Caught in the Pokedex (50 g) A Rare Specimen - Obtain a Pokemon with an IV stat of 30 or higher in any stat (10 g)A Superior Specimen - Obtain a Pokemon with an IV stat of 30 or higher in 3 or more stats (40 g) Never gonna give you up - Catch a Pokemon with a Critical Capture (5 g) Rare Encounters - 11 achievements, 130 g Probably just an Audino - Find a rare Pokemon in Rustling Grass (15 g)Just Another Frillish - Find a rare Pokemon by surfing in Rippling Water (15 g)Better not be a Basculin - Find a rare Pokemon by fishing in Rippling Water (15 g)The Ugly Ducking - Find a Swanna or Ducklett on a Bridge (15 g)Mutualism - Enter a Wild Double Battle (5 g)Spirit of the Desert - Find a Sigilyph in the Desert (5 g)Magical Floating Eel - Find a Tynamo in Chargestone Cave (5 g)Special Little Snowflake - Find a Cryogonal in Twist Mountain (15 g)Diamonds! - Find an item in a Dust Cloud (5 g)The Karate Dog - Find a Riolu in Challenger's Cave (10 g)Killing Spree! - Faint 7 Audinos in a Row (25 g) Legendary Encounters - 3 achievements, 70 g Caught a Cold - Catch or Defeat Kyruem (20 g)Runaway Genie - Catch or Defeat Thunderus/Tornadus (20 g)All for one, One for all - Catch or Defeat Cobalion, Virizion and Terrakion (30 g) Battles - 4 achievements, 70 g Back to your Roots - Battle either Rival after becoming Champion (10 g)Pen Pal - Battle an NPC which you traded with (10 g)Ramirez would be proud - Defeat the Subway Master (20 g)Chuck Norris would be proud - Defeat the Subway Master in 3 Different Lines (30 g) Misc - 9 achievements, 120 g Explorer - Visit every area in Unova (20 g)Collector - Collect every TM, except Snarl and those in the Battle Subway (20 g)Meeting other People - Trade Pokemon with an NPC (10 g)Totally Heterosexual - Compete in the Pokemon Musical and steal the show (15 g)Obsessed - Clock in 60 hours in one save file (15 g)Mah Posse - Reunite the Street Performers (5 g)Minimum Wage Worker - Serve food to the greedy customers who never paid nor tipped (5 g)Tomb Raider - Find the Relic Crown (20 g)Bambi has magical fur - Observe seasonal changes on a Deerling in the Seasonal Institute (10 g) Online - 4 achievements, 55 g Help a brotha out - Use the Entralink to provide a Pass Power to a friend (10 g)It was only just a dream - Capture a Pokemon in the Dream World (10 g)Left the House - Trade Pokemon with a friend or over the GTS (10 g)For your efforts - Obtain a Master Ball from an NPC, except Professor Juniper (25 g) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted June 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 Iron tail with hone claws would OHKO any ice type. Life orb I can't really agree with. People will more than likely pass on a status effect or setup with stealth rock and such. Life orb will only drain hp faster. Haxorus has a speed of 332 and under when Jolly and isn't fast enough to kill most things that can kill it so life orb would be a bad idea. In the case of dragon vs hone claws it depends on your opponent. If they have a strong ice type. Keep hone claws and use iron tail. If not then dragon dance and dragon claw is fine. Choice band is terrible unless you're smart enough to switch it out at the right time.Ice types are often very frail so even without a 2x move Dragon Claw coming off of him will kill most things anyway especially with a +1 boost. Plus as you said he isn't the fastest mon so he can easily be killed by anything fast + ice move, and most pokemon carry ice moves if they can because they have great coverage and destroy dragons, kills him. That's why DD is so good one him it makes him that much harder to out speed and lets him hit that much harder. And you never know why pokemon they will have and over all DD is better. Life Orb gives a much need boost to all moves and you don't loss it. Lossing 10% of your HP is worth it if your now OHKO things. And really, he doesn't have many choices. As said the Gems are horrible. Leftovers doesn't work on attackers like him. Choice items are risky and DD sets are better over all imo since you get a little of both. When you use Haxs you don't normally use him to sweep, just dent your opponent's team to let another mon get the sweep. CB is good if you know how to use Choice mon and now how to predict your opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadenxAtemYAOI Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 Ice types are often very frail so even without a 2x move Dragon Claw coming off of him will kill most things anyway especially with a +1 boost. Plus as you said he isn't the fastest mon so he can easily be killed by anything fast + ice move, and most pokemon carry ice moves if they can because they have great coverage and destroy dragons, kills him. That's why DD is so good one him it makes him that much harder to out speed and lets him hit that much harder. And you never know why pokemon they will have and over all DD is better. Life Orb gives a much need boost to all moves and you don't loss it. Lossing 10% of your HP is worth it if your now OHKO things. And really, he doesn't have many choices. As said the Gems are horrible. Leftovers doesn't work on attackers like him. Choice items are risky and DD sets are better over all imo since you get a little of both. When you use Haxs you don't normally use him to sweep, just dent your opponent's team to let another mon get the sweep. CB is good if you know how to use Choice mon and now how to predict your opponent.I agree with you there but non-frail ice types like regice have been used on a random matchup and if not them then mamoswine, weavile, and vanilluxe. Vanilluxe may be used for the glitching reason but still. A weavile can KO a most dragons excluding ones that take half damage from fake out. Let's say you send out the haxorus. Weavile will definitely go first, use fake out disrupting your set-up then use ice punch KOing Hax. I've KO'd a fully ev'd IV'd latios that 28 IVs in everything and 255 EV in speed and attack with my jolly weavile. With mamoswine depending how you set-up. If you use a trap move than your opponent more than likely will just KO haxorus with something like Ice shard. If they don't set-up a trap and predict you using DD then they'll just throw ice shard or something than use endeavor next turn than ice shard since they probably use focus sash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted June 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 I agree with you there but non-frail ice types like regice have been used on a random matchup and if not them then mamoswine, weavile, and vanilluxe. Vanilluxe may be used for the glitching reason but still. A weavile can KO a most dragons excluding ones that take half damage from fake out. Let's say you send out the haxorus. Weavile will definitely go first, use fake out disrupting your set-up then use ice punch KOing Hax. I've KO'd a fully ev'd IV'd latios that 28 IVs in everything and 255 EV in speed and attack with my jolly weavile. With mamoswine depending how you set-up. If you use a trap move than your opponent more than likely will just KO haxorus with something like Ice shard. If they don't set-up a trap and predict you using DD then they'll just throw ice shard or something than use endeavor next turn than ice shard since they probably use focus sash.Regice is unlikely be in the same tier as Hax, and even then you wouldn't stay in on it. Why would you leave Hax in against a Weavile unless you already have a speed boost? Rule of thumb is all Mamoswine carry Ice Shard so leaving in any Dragon against him will result in a dead dragon. And Mamo has no trap move so again, you would be stupid to stay in against one. Also Mamo only carries Focus Sash if it's leading. For the other 99% of the time it's either CB or LO (most likely Band) and speaking from experience a max ATK Banded Ice Shard kills most things it's super effective against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HitoKage Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 Actually I was already considering: Outrage / earthquake/ rock slide/ dragon dance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadenxAtemYAOI Posted June 27, 2011 Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 Need help working out a new team's weaknesses and need to check for replacements. This for a tag team battle. The team i posted about my locals is what this allies with. Heatran Modest Flash Fire Special Lens(generic choice specs)Lava PlumeFlash CannonEarth PowerDragon Pulse Roserade: Modest TechnicianMagical LeafGrasswhistleHidden Power(Ice power is at 60)Extrasensory Gilscor DW JollySky AttackU-TurnStone EdgeCross Poison Metang Eviolite AdamantHone ClawsMeteor MashZen HeadbuttMagnet Rise Slaking adamant Muscle bandGiga ImpactFocus PunchFaint Attack(used against ghost types) Yawn Empoleon: Modest needs item scaldblizzardflash cannonsignal beam I know the layout is terrible. needs to be adjusted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnSlaUghT Posted June 27, 2011 Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 Need help working out a new team's weaknesses and need to check for replacements. This for a tag team battle. The team i posted about my locals is what this allies with. Heatran Modest Flash Fire Special Lens(generic choice scarf)Lava PlumeFlash CannonEarth PowerDragon Pulse Roserade: Modest TechnicianMagical LeafSleep PowderHidden Power(Ice power is at 60)Extrasensory Gliscor DW JollyAcrobaticsU-TurnStone EdgeSwords Dance Metang Eviolite AdamantHone ClawsMeteor MashZen HeadbuttEarthquake Slaking adamant Muscle bandReturnBrick Break or Generic fighting moveFaint Attack(used against ghost types) Yawn Empoleon: Modest Petaya BerryscaldblizzardSubstitutesignal beam I know the layout is terrible. needs to be adjusted changes in bold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadenxAtemYAOI Posted June 27, 2011 Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 changes in boldReturn is terrible for Slaking as is brick break. If anything for fighting hammer arm would work. This is a flip flop team if you bothered checking my earlier layout. They're meant to work well with one another and giving Slaking brick break is a bad idea. Sure screen and reflect are annoying but my earlier layout can survive the oh so annoying screen/reflect. The said slaking has over 400 attack and 277 speed. Sure 277 isn't very fast but good enough to employ hammer arm. Giga impact with Slaking is great either way. Truant or no truant. Giga impact is unaffected by truant and if you're going to suggest something else suggest crush claw or strength. Substitute with empoleon is bad as well because it can't make up for lost hp and the special attack isn't high enough for it to be a payoff. Heatran is there for lava plume and the one I have EV trained has high enough defenses for it to not need scarf. I have two bronzongs. One with levitate and one with heatproof. In the tag battle bronzong can use skill swap to avoid the 4x weakness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted June 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 Return is terrible for Slaking as is brick break. If anything for fighting hammer arm would work. This is a flip flop team if you bothered checking my earlier layout. They're meant to work well with one another and giving Slaking brick break is a bad idea. Sure screen and reflect are annoying but my earlier layout can survive the oh so annoying screen/reflect. The said slaking has over 400 attack and 277 speed. Sure 277 isn't very fast but good enough to employ hammer arm. Giga impact with Slaking is great either way. Truant or no truant. Giga impact is unaffected by truant and if you're going to suggest something else suggest crush claw or strength. Substitute with empoleon is bad as well because it can't make up for lost hp and the special attack isn't high enough for it to be a payoff. Heatran is there for lava plume and the one I have EV trained has high enough defenses for it to not need scarf. I have two bronzongs. One with levitate and one with heatproof. In the tag battle bronzong can use skill swap to avoid the 4x weakness.You do know Return is better then both Strength and Crush Claw. At max it hit a little over 100 base power and with stab jumps to over 150. I'm not sure how Truant works with Giga Impact so I'll trust you when you say it's better. Also, why Faint Attack over Shadow Claw? Sure Normal pokemon are immune, but the damage out put is so much better at 120 vs 140 on 2x hits. Plus the always hit bonus is so much worse then the increase crit odds one. You haven't seen Subleon sweep have you. Trust me with Agility (you should cut Signal Beam since it doesn't add any needed coverage anyway) and the Petaya + Ability boost his Surf/Hydro Pump puts holes in teams and Ice Beam is a great clean up move. However if they have a priority fighting move the combo is useless and with cinderblock clown so popular I wouldn't recommend it without a good clown check (you do have one fyi, Gliscor). I would do a defensive set to take advantage off all his resistances. However for an aggressive set like the one your looking for the Sub set would be best imo. Also, for your Scor, you might want to drop U-Turn or SD since they don't work all that well together. I'd say add on Ice Fang since Ice moves are always nice to have. Also taking advantage of Steel stab is rarely worth it on Emp or Heat since they simply have better moves. For Heat give it Overheat and for Emp give is Grass Knot. Also, why in the world are you using Metang? If it's for the DEF boost of the item it really isn't worth it since you loss out on an item (Leftovers is your friend) and higher HP, ATK, and SPE stats. Also even without the stone Gross is still one hell of a tank and can take hits. Also, it's not very good to have a team of 3 steel types all of whom are weak to EQ. Especially if this is for double battles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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