The Northstar Nova List

[Flame Dragon]

 

How can you ditch it after you get the monster wipe (it isn't anuke). As I said the only time you would use it is if your lossing and if this is the case you would normally normal summon it.

 

Card effects' date=' Tribute Summons, Synchro Summons, Ritual Summons, and in Time Wizard's case (although it's bad) Thousand Dragon, if you want to ditch it that badly.

 

As for using it, you could search it out, and if you only have 1 or 2 monsters, you could just use its effect and hope to get lucky.

 

EDIT: W00t, 3rd page after 3 hours. xD What is it about Lists that attract posts?

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Again we are working under the assumption that you would only use Wizard's effect if you are lossing. If this is the case he would be your only monster so you wouldn't want to destroy him since he still is a wall between you and your opponent's monsters.You likely wouldn't be able to use him as a tribute since you normal summoned him to get him out, same goes for Synchros. The other two optionare just bad.

 

Oh right, I forgot the only way one could possibly be losing would be by controlling only Time Wizard. You could also use it if you were winning by nuking and then swarming down a few monsters and beating their face. Either way, field nuking is banworthy. Luck-dependence is bad for the game. Time Wizard is banworthy and bad for the game.

I don't think you get what I'm saying.

 

If you were winning 1) using the effect wouldn't be needed. 2) you wouldn't want to use the effect because it could back fire and cost you not only your whole field, but a fair amount of Life Points.

 

The only time Time Wizard's effect would be needed is when you are going to lossThen and only then would I, and most others, use his effect. If this was the case then even if you hit for the monster kill effect your opponent could easily come back and still finish you.

 

1) Time Wizard's effect isn't a nuke! 2) You make it sound like all Field Nukes, or effect like field nukes in this case, should be banned. If this is so why don't you ban Black Rose. 3) If luck-dependence is bad then ban Dice Jar. 4) If all field nukes are bad for the game then should autowins be worse? If this is so why don't you ban all auto wins?

[GenzoTheHarpist]

Why have you banned Dedication Through Light and Darkness' date=' but left the following unbanned?

 

Gryphon's Wing

White Hole

Anti-Raigeki

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Because I hadn't thought of those at the time. Thanks, banned. =P

 

...you're serious? I was trying to illustrate how pointless banning those things would be.

 

Well, might as well include Jar Robber.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

Why have you banned Dedication Through Light and Darkness' date=' but left the following unbanned?

 

Gryphon's Wing

White Hole

Anti-Raigeki

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Because I hadn't thought of those at the time. Thanks, banned. =P

 

...you're serious? I was trying to illustrate how pointless banning those things would be.

 

Well, might as well include Jar Robber.

 

Well, if it doesn't contribute to the game, it's just as pointless not to ban it, and banning is fun. =) Oh, and gonna ban Jar Robber now.

[Guest PikaPerson01]

I'm too lazy to read a big ball of tl;dr, so I don't know if someone's already said this or not but:

 

Plaguespreader Zombie was limited because of its versatility, you could use it to easily get a Doomkaiser, get back Plague with Doom's effect, do more stuff with Plague, etc

 

"When this card is Special Summoned, you can select 1 Zombie-Type monster in your opponent's Graveyard and Special Summon it to your side of the field in Attack Position."

[GenzoTheHarpist]

Why have you banned Dedication Through Light and Darkness' date=' but left the following unbanned?

 

Gryphon's Wing

White Hole

Anti-Raigeki

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Because I hadn't thought of those at the time. Thanks, banned. =P

 

...you're serious? I was trying to illustrate how pointless banning those things would be.

 

Well, might as well include Jar Robber.

 

banning is fun.

 

There's your problem. When designing a banlist, you must ban things only when it is an unbearable problem that cannot be solved through any other action. You don't ban things just because you feel they're nuisances.

[Guest PikaPerson01]

On another note, pretty much no card can ever be COMPLETELY useless. As cards, they still exist as PWWB, Lightning Vortex, Lumina, and Creator bait. If someone is so inclined to use a terrible card, why prohibit it?

 

With that said, what about Unfortunate Report? That's a pretty bad and useless card.

 

What about any level 4 vanilla with over 1500 attack but less then 1700 attack? They don't exist as limit reverse bait, don't slip under Gravity Bind and LLAB, don't get SS-ed by their type specific searches, ergo they'd never be used in any competitive deck, so logically they should be banned, right? <_<

[Mr. Judgment Dragon]

Oh God. I had to restrain myself from bursting out with laughter at the stupidity shown in this topic.

 

Since when was a card being useless grounds for a ban? Someone who is smart please tell me.

[Santi :D]

Since Polaris decided that any useless cards and junk and take up too much space.

[Sleepy]

so far, I've seen people giving you desent and logic reasons to change your list & why. (judgement dragon, crab helmet, pikaperson, flame dragon, zelda_tp_fan, ect). you just won't change your mind will you? you must like devating that much.

some of your desitions aren't realistic at all, change "dedication through light and darkness" to 3. cards are banned when there is no other option because they are abusable and are being too abused by everyone. not when nobody wants to use them. if you want to get it banned, then why not ban all normal monsters in tournament/champion packs and old buster packs? or better yet, add ra & slifer to the list! they are even more useless than this card sinse they aren't legal in any format or meta!

it would be better to ban DMC instead -_-"

cup of ace & time wizard banned!? WTF! ......... you must have spent a really time against them in some way and got phisically damaged in any way, these are almost useless unless you play for fun,

stratos banned? woow. you must be really scared of having an invensible 1800ATK monster that didn't reduce the number of cards in your hand but cannot call himself because it is limited in real life as your opponent. oh no! and it can call malisious! help me!!!!!

 

speaking of stupid desitions, this list reminds me of bush for some reason >_<"

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

so far' date=' I've seen people giving you desent and logic reasons to change your list & why. (judgement dragon, crab helmet, pikaperson, flame dragon, zelda_tp_fan, ect). you just won't [/quote']

 

Not really, I've made plenty of changes.

 

some of your desitions aren't realistic at all' date=' change "dedication through light and darkness" to 3.[/quote']

 

I've explained my position on this one too many times to do so again.

 

cards are banned when there is no other option because they are abusable and are being too abused by everyone.

 

 

if you want to get it banned' date=' then why not ban all normal monsters in tournament/champion packs and old buster packs? or better yet, add ra & slifer to the list! they are even more useless than this card sinse they aren't legal in any format or meta![/quote']

 

Normal Monsters can always be Summoned, be used as ARA targets, be used as Swing targets, and much more. Illegal Cards are already banned in a sense.

 

it would be better to ban DMC instead -_-"

 

DMC? Dunno what that is' date=' sorry. =/

 

cup of ace & time wizard banned!? WTF! ......... you must have spent a really time against them in some way and got phisically damaged in any way, these are almost useless unless you play for fun

 

Luck is bad for the game, because it reduces the amount of skill in the game. I do not list cards based on my dueling experience.

 

stratos banned? woow. you must be really scared of having an invensible 1800ATK monster that didn't reduce the number of cards in your hand but cannot call himself because it is limited in real life as your opponent. oh no! and it can call malisious! help me!!!!!

 

Malicious is not the only card in the massive category of all E-Heroes' date=' D-Heroes, and EV-Heroes combined. A +1 with no drawbacks whatsoever is the equivalent of Pot of Greed.

 

speaking of stupid desitions, this list reminds me of bush for some reason >_<"

 

You felt it necessary to post this because...?

[GenzoTheHarpist]

I've explained my position on this one.

 

And it was stupid.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

I've explained my position on this one.

 

And it was stupid.

 

Because? [/testing you]FFS mention the Trad format already' date=' the only reason Dedication was banned was so that someone could pick up the fact that people should still be able to run it in 3s in Trad as DMoC's Limited there. I can't believe all of you supposed "TCG gods" have completely overlooked this. [/color']

[Sleepy]

DMC = Dark Magician of Chaos (the card that is called by "dedication through light and darkness" the card you banned)

 

it is better to get banned only DMC rather than the spell card.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

Well, the Spell Card makes no contribution to the game with DMoC banned, so it might as well be banned.

[Mr. Judgment Dragon]

Since I was previously ignored, I shall bring this up again:

 

Since when was a card being useless grounds for a ban? Someone who is smart please tell me.

[Sleepy]

Well' date=' the Spell Card makes no contribution to the game with DMoC banned, so it might as well be banned.

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I'll kindly tell you,,, that's what half the people I saw in previews pages have been arguing with you about. its a waste of space in the list. the fact that a card is banned means that people can't use it. if DMC is banned, this card cannot be used and won't be used by any means, therefore, it shouldn't be banned (it doesn't have to). just check out the real list, do you see this card banned just because DMC is banned? (no)

if you say its because this card is not useful, why not ban all non-useful cards in the game then?

every single card in the game has a use, it doesn't matter if they are just for discarding or any type of payment, that's technically a use.

 

Since I was previously ignored' date=' I shall bring this up again:

 

Since when was a card being useless grounds for a ban? Someone who is smart please tell me.

 

sinse you are calling me :P I shall answer! :)

the answer is:

[spoiler==D]NEVER!!!

 

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

Dedication was a test people. You were supposed to find the real reason that it shouldn't be banned. Apparently that was too difficult. PROHINT: It's not because it's discard fodder for things everything else is discard fodder for.

 

Oh, and try highlighting stuff on this page and the last. I'm disappointed in you guys.

[Mr. Judgment Dragon]

Who the hell cares about the Traditional Format? If you care so much about it, give it a list unrelated to this one.

[Sleepy]

Dedication was a test people. You were supposed to find the real reason that it shouldn't be banned. Apparently that was too difficult. PROHINT: It's not because it's discard fodder for things everything else is discard fodder for.

 

Oh' date=' and try highlighting stuff on this page and the last. I'm disappointed in you guys.

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oh now I'm curious to hear that "reason" you have found that no1 else has mensioned in the previews 3 pages. (people have already given enough logical data to unban this card so this reason better be good)

[Mr. Judgment Dragon]

Dedication isn't the only useless card banned. What about White Hole, Gryphon Wing and Anti-Raigeki? Why are they still banned?

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

Who the hell cares about the Traditional Format?

 

Well' date=' [i']you've[/i] posted several Decks there.

 

White, Gryphon, Jar, and Anti were supposed to make it more obvious. Apparently not.

 

oh now I'm curious to hear that "reason" you have found that no1 else has mensioned in the previews 3 pages. (people have already given enough logical data to unban this card so this reason better be good)

 

If you haven't found out by now, please try harder in future.

[Mr. Judgment Dragon]

The Traditional Format is broken now and it will still be broken with all the banworthy cards able to be used there.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

The correct reason to prove that a card that is useless in Advanced due to its target card being banned isn't banworthy is that their targets aren't banned in Traditional, and they have their uses back.

 

They shouldn't be Limited in Traditional because they aren't limit-worthy in Traditional.

[Mr. Judgment Dragon]

Nice job with that Dedication "test".

 

[zelda_tp_fan]

The correct reason to prove that a card that is useless in Advanced due to its target card being banned isn't banworthy is that their targets aren't banned in Traditional' date=' and they have their uses back.

 

They shouldn't be Limited in Traditional because they aren't limit-worthy in Traditional.

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If dedication were banned in advanced, it would be limited in traditional, which means that it would still be usable...

 

so... umm... what was the point of your "test"?