MarbleZone Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 This was last discussed back in October, when Crossroads wasn't out yet. Well, now it is, so I'd like to see some discussion on its current usefulness (or lack thereof). So, discuss. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Lovegood Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 OPed. Make some downside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 OPed. Make some downside. Rook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbdnate Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 OPed. Make some downside. yes because all good single type support is OP and because this card is turning the meta back onto its @ss right now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 I've got an idea. Let's avoid making valid points and instead just take cheap shots at a stupid rookie. Wait, you guys are ahead of me already. YCM is on top of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 One of the best Plant cards to date It really put Plants up there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 OPed. Make some downside. Stupid Rook. Fixed. This card is far from OP'd. It's just great Type-Specific support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Lovegood Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Whats a rook? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orochi Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 one of the best themed searchers ever... need to say more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 This card and this card alone is what makes Plants playable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 OPed. Make some downside. Stupid Rook. Fixed. Nope. "Rook" is shorthand for "Stupid Rookie"; "Stupid Rook" is redundant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 This card is the main reason plant are what they are today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabris Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Lessee: a weak 400 ATK monster that summons any Plant (bar those noxious Nomis) from the deck. Hmmm... ... it's weak. That, and the proceedin' imperative for it to be used... ... makes it nonbanworthy, bar Konami. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunter Dwayne Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 I doubt it'll be banned. Possibly semi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabris Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 I doubt it'll be banned. Possibly semi? Not even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilhorus Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Not limited in any way. Brilliant card. GIGAPLANT OTK FTW!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Amazing Plant is Amazing. Especially with MotR in hand. Lonefireing into Lonefire sets up Mark fodder, BRD fodder, thins deck, ect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiro Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Imagine this card without it's Summon Effect, but as a Plant instead of a Spellcaster. Let's call it 'Plant Chaos Sorcerer' If it was legal, it would virtually require even less to summon it than before (certain card in hand rather than certain card in hand and 2 cards with certain attribute in Grave). Would that be balanced? Because right now, we have Tytannial which is comparable to Plant Chaos Sorcerer, maybe even better.The only reasons I can think of why Lonefire Blossom + Plant Chaos Sorcerer wouldn't be a big deal all a sudden while Chaos Sorcerer is, areLonefire Blossom requires a Normal SummonPlant Chaos Sorcerer would be a dead card(Plant) Chaos Sorcerer has a very strong effect, stronger than the effect of any Plant we have right now. It is discussable if the last is even true, but let's say it is.Even then, does that make the whole act of Special Summoning Plant Chaos Sorcerer that easily balanced all of a sudden? Or are there more cons to it? Please tell me exactly why Special Summoning Plant Chaos Sorcerer / Tytannial via Lonefire Blossom is NOT a problem, if it actually isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Imagine this card without it's Summon Effect' date=' but as a Plant instead of a Spellcaster. Let's call it 'Plant Chaos Sorcerer' If it was legal, it would virtually require even less to summon it than before (certain card in hand rather than certain card in hand and 2 cards with certain attribute in Grave). Would that be balanced? Because right now, we have Tytannial which is comparable to Plant Chaos Sorcerer, maybe even better.The only reasons I can think of why Lonefire Blossom + Plant Chaos Sorcerer wouldn't be a big deal all a sudden while Chaos Sorcerer is, areLonefire Blossom requires a Normal SummonPlant Chaos Sorcerer would be a dead card(Plant) Chaos Sorcerer has a very strong effect, stronger than the effect of any Plant we have right now. It is discussable if the last is even true, but let's say it is.Even then, does that make the whole act of Special Summoning Plant Chaos Sorcerer that easily balanced all of a sudden? Or are there more cons to it? Please tell me exactly why Special Summoning Plant Chaos Sorcerer / Tytannial via Lonefire Blossom is NOT a problem, if it actually isn't. Gladiator Beasts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Tytannial is pretty useless without other plants, sure she can still sack herself but someone dropping a first turn Tytannial just isn't much of a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolfjedi Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Imagine this card without it's Summon Effect' date=' but as a Plant instead of a Spellcaster. Let's call it 'Plant Chaos Sorcerer' If it was legal, it would virtually require even less to summon it than before (certain card in hand rather than certain card in hand and 2 cards with certain attribute in Grave). Would that be balanced? Because right now, we have Tytannial which is comparable to Plant Chaos Sorcerer, maybe even better.The only reasons I can think of why Lonefire Blossom + Plant Chaos Sorcerer wouldn't be a big deal all a sudden while Chaos Sorcerer is, areLonefire Blossom requires a Normal SummonPlant Chaos Sorcerer would be a dead card(Plant) Chaos Sorcerer has a very strong effect, stronger than the effect of any Plant we have right now. It is discussable if the last is even true, but let's say it is.Even then, does that make the whole act of Special Summoning Plant Chaos Sorcerer that easily balanced all of a sudden? Or are there more cons to it? Please tell me exactly why Special Summoning Plant Chaos Sorcerer / Tytannial via Lonefire Blossom is NOT a problem, if it actually isn't. Gladiator Beasts. how does that prove anything? give a more complete explanation please. I would like to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiro Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Imagine this card without it's Summon Effect' date=' but as a Plant instead of a Spellcaster. Let's call it 'Plant Chaos Sorcerer' If it was legal, it would virtually require even less to summon it than before (certain card in hand rather than certain card in hand and 2 cards with certain attribute in Grave). Would that be balanced? Because right now, we have Tytannial which is comparable to Plant Chaos Sorcerer, maybe even better.The only reasons I can think of why Lonefire Blossom + Plant Chaos Sorcerer wouldn't be a big deal all a sudden while Chaos Sorcerer is, areLonefire Blossom requires a Normal SummonPlant Chaos Sorcerer would be a dead card(Plant) Chaos Sorcerer has a very strong effect, stronger than the effect of any Plant we have right now. It is discussable if the last is even true, but let's say it is.Even then, does that make the whole act of Special Summoning Plant Chaos Sorcerer that easily balanced all of a sudden? Or are there more cons to it? Please tell me exactly why Special Summoning Plant Chaos Sorcerer / Tytannial via Lonefire Blossom is NOT a problem, if it actually isn't. Gladiator Beasts. If you want to summon one of the big Gladiator Beasts instantly, then there's Spartacus which can be summoned via Hoplomus and Alexander which can be summoned via Dimacari, but they have 700 and 1600 atk respectively, and your opponent requires a monster with less atk, a defense mode monster or a clear field. In other words, it depends on your opponent if you can do it or not, and I'm not talking about specific things like not having Oppression, but regular things, like 'having a field of only 1600+ atk beatsticks'.Then there's Octavius, which can be summoned via Laquari as well, which isn't that hard, but unlike Chaos Sorcerer and Tytannial, his effect includes a complete downside, which still makes him balanced. But more importantly, when you summon one of the stronger GBs, you can't attack with that Gladiator Beast right away, so in some way they still aren't summoned 'instantly'. Tytannial is pretty useless without other plants' date=' sure she can still sack herself but someone dropping a first turn Tytannial just isn't much of a problem.[/quote'] Thing is that it doesn't have to be summoned on the first turn, but it can just be summoned instantly whenever the player wants, as long as he holds Lonefire Blossom in his hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Imagine this card without it's Summon Effect' date=' but as a Plant instead of a Spellcaster. Let's call it 'Plant Chaos Sorcerer' If it was legal, it would virtually require even less to summon it than before (certain card in hand rather than certain card in hand and 2 cards with certain attribute in Grave). Would that be balanced? Because right now, we have Tytannial which is comparable to Plant Chaos Sorcerer, maybe even better.The only reasons I can think of why Lonefire Blossom + Plant Chaos Sorcerer wouldn't be a big deal all a sudden while Chaos Sorcerer is, areLonefire Blossom requires a Normal SummonPlant Chaos Sorcerer would be a dead card(Plant) Chaos Sorcerer has a very strong effect, stronger than the effect of any Plant we have right now. It is discussable if the last is even true, but let's say it is.Even then, does that make the whole act of Special Summoning Plant Chaos Sorcerer that easily balanced all of a sudden? Or are there more cons to it? Please tell me exactly why Special Summoning Plant Chaos Sorcerer / Tytannial via Lonefire Blossom is NOT a problem, if it actually isn't. Gladiator Beasts. If you want to summon one of the big Gladiator Beasts instantly, then there's Spartacus which can be summoned via Hoplomus and Alexander which can be summoned via Dimacari, but they have 700 and 1600 atk respectively, and your opponent requires a monster with less atk, a defense mode monster or a clear field. In other words, it depends on your opponent if you can do it or not, and I'm not talking about specific things like not having Oppression, but regular things, like 'having a field of only 1600+ atk beatsticks'.Then there's Octavius, which can be summoned via Laquari as well, which isn't that hard, but unlike Chaos Sorcerer and Tytannial, his effect includes a complete downside, which still makes him balanced. But more importantly, when you summon one of the stronger GBs, you can't attack with that Gladiator Beast right away, so in some way they still aren't summoned 'instantly'. Eh, I forgot that the big G-Beasts were picky about who can Summon them, Fine. Zombies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiro Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Imagine this card without it's Summon Effect' date=' but as a Plant instead of a Spellcaster. Let's call it 'Plant Chaos Sorcerer' If it was legal, it would virtually require even less to summon it than before (certain card in hand rather than certain card in hand and 2 cards with certain attribute in Grave). Would that be balanced? Because right now, we have Tytannial which is comparable to Plant Chaos Sorcerer, maybe even better.The only reasons I can think of why Lonefire Blossom + Plant Chaos Sorcerer wouldn't be a big deal all a sudden while Chaos Sorcerer is, areLonefire Blossom requires a Normal SummonPlant Chaos Sorcerer would be a dead card(Plant) Chaos Sorcerer has a very strong effect, stronger than the effect of any Plant we have right now. It is discussable if the last is even true, but let's say it is.Even then, does that make the whole act of Special Summoning Plant Chaos Sorcerer that easily balanced all of a sudden? Or are there more cons to it? Please tell me exactly why Special Summoning Plant Chaos Sorcerer / Tytannial via Lonefire Blossom is NOT a problem, if it actually isn't. Gladiator Beasts. If you want to summon one of the big Gladiator Beasts instantly, then there's Spartacus which can be summoned via Hoplomus and Alexander which can be summoned via Dimacari, but they have 700 and 1600 atk respectively, and your opponent requires a monster with less atk, a defense mode monster or a clear field. In other words, it depends on your opponent if you can do it or not, and I'm not talking about specific things like not having Oppression, but regular things, like 'having a field of only 1600+ atk beatsticks'.Then there's Octavius, which can be summoned via Laquari as well, which isn't that hard, but unlike Chaos Sorcerer and Tytannial, his effect includes a complete downside, which still makes him balanced. But more importantly, when you summon one of the stronger GBs, you can't attack with that Gladiator Beast right away, so in some way they still aren't summoned 'instantly'. Eh, I forgot that the big G-Beasts were picky about who can Summon them, Fine. Zombies. Fine, you win.This is not about Lonefire Blossom anymore, but about Chaos Sorcerer.Not the thread, I have no right to do that, but this debate is.To be followed here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ Chidori-Kun Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Plant Searcher is good... This is what makes tytannial playable I solemned one of these for teh lulz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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