Guest Star Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 So, we have a DARK Level 5 Zombie-Type monster that can become extremely powerful if you run it with a bunch of Nomis and Trade-In. The question is: is it good? Why or why not? Seriously, provide reasoning or don't post at all. I'll provide my statement once I think it over and decide whether or not it is actually good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 lol, if you'll follow the "dump nomis" strategy you might as well use RDD which can at least boost to OTK range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Star Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 lol' date=' if you'll follow the "dump nomis" strategy you might as well use RDD which can at least boost to OTK range.[/quote'] Does RDD have 7 eyes? I didn't think so. This guy does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ Chidori-Kun Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 No... 1.) Level 52.) 1600 is original ATK3.) All Meta Beatsticks ram over this...4.) 1'st turn stratos rams over this5.) Worse than venominon in a dedicated deck..6.) Sucks7.) Ryu Kokki > This Also, he has 20 eyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 lol' date=' if you'll follow the "dump nomis" strategy you might as well use RDD which can at least boost to OTK range.[/quote'] Does RDD have 7 eyes? I didn't think so. This guy does.Where'd you get 7 from? And it's bad because there's no use for him. He's slow and Maju outclasses him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Late game finisher at best. You need 8 in the grave for this to at least be worth summoning over anything else. 1600 attack means it's unsearchable. All it has is Pyramid Turtle. And Zombies have better things to main instead of Shadow Ghoul. Assuming you're running this in a standard 20 monster deck, it caps at 3500 attack. Though not to say a 3500 attack monster one trib is anything to scoff at. However, the fact that you had to send over half your deck to the grave (and may not have any more win condition left) to accomplish this goal makes it hardly anything worth getting excited for. If you want a lolbeatstick, there are better options. Need a one trib lolbeatstick? Use Great Maju. If you want something to be SS-ed from the grave that is a Zombie, use Red Eyes Zombie Dragon, or Ryu Kokki. Too much setup for too little reward. tl;dr version: It sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 lol' date=' if you'll follow the "dump nomis" strategy you might as well use RDD which can at least boost to OTK range.[/quote'] Does RDD have 7 eyes? I didn't think so. This guy does. But RDD has 7 pretty and colourful stones on him. As for this card, I would rather use RDD. The 100 ATK boost for each monster in your Grave is very laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazer Yoshi Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 lol100ATK XDGood.... back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 By the time you have enough monsters in the Graveyard to make this card's ATK exceed that of Red-Eyes Zombie Dragon, this card's ATK is itself exceeded by Chaos Necromancer and Rainbow Dark Dragon. Star, are you really so bad at this game that you couldn't figure out how bad this card is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SephirothKirby Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 [spoiler=Necromancer Owns][27] MONSTERS 3 x Destiny Hero - Plasma3 x Destiny Hero - Dogma3 x Destiny Hero - Dreadmaster 3 x Chaos Necromancer3 x Magical Merchant3 x Mystic Tomato3 x Lyla, Lightsworn Sorcerer3 x Wulf, Lightsworn Beast2 x Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter1 x Sangan [14] SPELLS 3 x Solar Recharge3 x Destiny Draw3 x Trade-In2 x Opti-Camouflage Armor1 x Heavy Storm1 x Monster Reborn1 x Giant Trunade [15] EXTRA DECK 3 x Stardust Dragon1 x Red Dragon Archfiend1 x Thought Ruler Archfiend1 x Colossal Fighter2 x Black Rose Dragon2 x Goyo Guardian2 x Junk Warrior 1 x Gladiator Beast Gyzarus1 x Gladiator Beast Heraklinos1 x Sanwitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabris Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Lessee: It's LV5 (unfriendly to non-Tributes), 1600 ATK (and thus searchable only through Pyramid Turtle), boosts itself by 100 ATK (and takes 8 monsters to equate with a Monarch). ... meh. Use Chaos Necromancer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Star Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 By the time you have enough monsters in the Graveyard to make this card's ATK exceed that of Red-Eyes Zombie Dragon' date=' this card's ATK is itself exceeded by Chaos Necromancer and Rainbow Dark Dragon. Star, are you really so bad at this game that you couldn't figure out how bad this card is?[/quote'] When did I say it was good or bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 By the time you have enough monsters in the Graveyard to make this card's ATK exceed that of Red-Eyes Zombie Dragon' date=' this card's ATK is itself exceeded by Chaos Necromancer and Rainbow Dark Dragon. Star, are you really so bad at this game that you couldn't figure out how bad this card is?[/quote'] When did I say it was good or bad?You never said either, you said you had to think about it. That's what he's insulting you for doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alordzynix Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Maybe worth Summoning with "Chaos-End Master" first deal damage with an attack and than Synchro Summon a LV8 Synchro monster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilhorus Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 terrible. Only place that it could make a difference is in the bin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 By the time you have enough monsters in the Graveyard to make this card's ATK exceed that of Red-Eyes Zombie Dragon' date=' this card's ATK is itself exceeded by Chaos Necromancer and Rainbow Dark Dragon. Star, are you really so bad at this game that you couldn't figure out how bad this card is?[/quote'] When did I say it was good or bad? Nowhere. And that's terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orochi Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 No... 1.) Level 5 --> so??2.) 1600 is original ATK --> so?3.) All Meta Beatsticks ram over this... --> so does against 85% of the lv5 or less mosters' date=' your point is??4.) 1'st turn stratos rams over this --> read the bottom5.) Worse than venominon in a dedicated deck.. --> emmm, nope if it's a dediacted deck...6.) Sucks --> so do you, your point??7.) Ryu Kokki > This --> ryu kokki > several monsters on the deck... Also, he has 20 eyes[/quote'] the bottom: only a n00b will use this with sacrifice or in a earlier hand... so your 1st turn stratos is not an argument... i don't say that this card is good, i'm saying that your arguments are bad, end of transmision... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ Chidori-Kun Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 No... 1.) Level 5 --> so?? 1 Tribute.... Waste of Normal Summon and turtle has better things to search2.) 1600 is original ATK --> so? Stratos runs over this3.) All Meta Beatsticks ram over this... --> so does against 85% of the lv5 or less mosters' date=' your point is?? Level 4 monsters ram over this... Also in zombies, graveyard will either be gone or removed by daD or mezuki4.) 1'st turn stratos rams over this --> read the bottom: 1'st turn stratos is a common move seen and garoth, jain, and most bigger monsters will see the light of day before this will.5.) Worse than venominon in a dedicated deck.. --> emmm, nope if it's a dediacted deck...: Um yes6.) Sucks --> so do you, your point??: Because it does, you suck for denying this7.) Ryu Kokki > This --> ryu kokki > several monsters on the deck...: What? Ryu kokki is one of the better beatstick in zombies and clearly outclasses this peice of green crud... Also, he has 20 eyes[/quote'] the bottom: only a n00b will use this with sacrifice or in a earlier hand... so your 1st turn stratos is not an argument... i don't say that this card is good, i'm saying that your arguments are bad, end of transmision... I win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 No... 1.) Level 5 --> so??2.) 1600 is original ATK --> so?3.) All Meta Beatsticks ram over this... --> so does against 85% of the lv5 or less mosters' date=' your point is??4.) 1'st turn stratos rams over this --> read the bottom5.) Worse than venominon in a dedicated deck.. --> emmm, nope if it's a dediacted deck...6.) Sucks --> so do you, your point??7.) Ryu Kokki > This --> ryu kokki > several monsters on the deck... Also, he has 20 eyes[/quote'] the bottom: only a n00b will use this with sacrifice or in a earlier hand... so your 1st turn stratos is not an argument... i don't say that this card is good, i'm saying that your arguments are bad, end of transmision...No, you're just an idiot incapable of seeing how terrible your responses to his reasons are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Chaos Necromancer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 So' date=' we have a DARK Level 5 Zombie-Type monster that can become extremely powerful if you run it with a bunch of Nomis and Trade-In. The question is: is it good? Why or why not? Seriously, provide reasoning or don't post at all. I'll provide my statement once I think it over and decide whether or not it is actually good.[/quote'] It's not good. Everything it can do is done better by another card. If you're running Dark Nomis, use RDD or Chaos Necro. If you're running Zombies, run Bluds, Kokkis, or Malevolent Mechs beccause you'll need 8 monsters for this to get to the standard 2400, and Zombies'll want to revive without having ATK limitations. Zombies should win by the time they've got 8 monsters in the Grave that they can't remove from the Grave/Summon from the Grave, if they can't, the Deck isn't built right. If you just want a LV5/6 beatstick for teh lulz, you should run Great Maju without even thinking about this card. Great Maju will usually have around 3600 ATK, this would CAP at 3500 in your usual 20-monster Deck. Though if you haven't won by the time you have all your monsters in the Grave, your best bet would be to quit the game. No... 1.) Level 5 --> so??2.) 1600 is original ATK --> so?3.) All Meta Beatsticks ram over this... --> so does against 85% of the lv5 or less mosters' date=' your point is??4.) 1'st turn stratos rams over this --> read the bottom5.) Worse than venominon in a dedicated deck.. --> emmm, nope if it's a dediacted deck...6.) Sucks --> so do you, your point??7.) Ryu Kokki > This --> ryu kokki > several monsters on the deck... Also, he has 20 eyes[/quote'] the bottom: only a n00b will use this with sacrifice or in a earlier hand... so your 1st turn stratos is not an argument... i don't say that this card is good, i'm saying that your arguments are bad, end of transmision... Saying "OMG but lots of cards can run over sadow gool, nawt just meta beetstiks adn this card will only be runover bai a card if its sacrificed sumoned, but nawt if its specail sumoned and since ryukokki is best card in zombies they can run this too. so ur point is???!" isn't proving someone else's arguments are bad, but it sure does make you look bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 No... 1.) Level 5 --> so??2.) 1600 is original ATK --> so? It can't be normal summoned easily' date=' increasing the odds of it being a dead draw. Neither can Malicious, but it's much more useful as being bait for what to dump from a D-Draw or Dark Grepher or Lightning Vortex or PWWB or whatever the cool kids are running now a days. At 1600 original attack, it can't be searched by all these "1500 attack or less" guys we've got running about. 3.) All Meta Beatsticks ram over this... --> so does against 85% of the lv5 or less mosters, your point is?? Monarchs aren't JUST beatsticks. They also have effects that activate when they're summoned. Stratos isn't JUST a beatstick. It's also a searcher or a quick MST if you just so happen to have a Hero on the field. Zombie Master isn't JUST a beatstick. It's a card that revives level 4 zombies on the field, and sets up your graveyard by discarding cards. Celestia isn't JUST a beatstick. It's also a quick -2 to your opponent, assuming nothing is chained, along with a quick mill.Goyo Guardian is mostly used as just a beatstick, though it's special summoning effect is very useful into borrowing pieces of your opponent's strategies (and one of the reason people may use Gyzarus in their Extra Deck.) And on and on and on in that fashion. The card Shadow Ghoul is JUST a beatstick. And it's not even a good one. 4.) 1'st turn stratos rams over this --> read the bottom ... the bottom: only a n00b will use this with sacrifice or in a earlier hand... so your 1st turn stratos is not an argument... So when do you propose this card be summoned? In this meta' date=' duels don't last long enough for this to be used. In any other meta, if you get enough to make summoning this worthwhile, you've already got better options. 5.) Worse than venominon in a dedicated deck.. --> emmm, nope if it's a dediacted deck... I don't feel like playing a 20 post game of "no u", so you can just go ahead and either present a dedicated Shadow Ghoul deck that works better then a dedicated Venominon deck or you can just admit you were totally talking out your ass. i don't say that this card is good, i'm saying that your arguments are bad, end of transmision... I've always been a fan of Devil's Advocate when done well, because it allows people to exercise their debating skills. Unfortunately, you thought to challenge an idea that was obviously wrong (the playability of Shadow Ghoul), that had already been defeated, and you argued that end poorly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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