CrabHelmet Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 In classic YCM tradition, let us post unsupported opinions and arrive at no conclusion whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 It should be at 4! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 I think cake is fish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 One of the very few good Spirits, and of course it is DARK. Even with the current state of the meta, it shouldn't be at 1. Being a DARK monster would mean Tele-DAD would be even stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sartorius Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Seriously. Is this forum only good for spam? I think you kids need to calm the hell down and actually post something relevant in this topic. Here, I'll start you off! Tsukuyomi is _________________, because _______________ and ________________, although it is _______________ because it has ____________________ and _____________________ in this meta. GOGO KIDZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Oh, and I suppose I should bring something intellectual to the conversation. Tsukuyomi should come back because, like Grand Mole, it's basically 1 for 1 monster removal at the cost of a Normal Summon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Seriously. Is this forum only good for spam? I think you kids need to calm the hell down and actually post something relevant in this topic. Here' date=' I'll start you off! Tsukuyomi is _________________, because _______________ and ________________, although it is _______________ because it has ____________________ and _____________________ in this meta. GOGO KIDZ[/quote'] Says the one who started an entire war over a Mod position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sartorius Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Seriously. Is this forum only good for spam? I think you kids need to calm the hell down and actually post something relevant in this topic. Here' date=' I'll start you off! Tsukuyomi is _________________, because _______________ and ________________, although it is _______________ because it has ____________________ and _____________________ in this meta. GOGO KIDZ[/quote'] Says the one who started an entire war over a Mod position. Chill bruv' It was more than about a mod position, my lady. But let's not spam this topic with that. G'day madam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 ^I'm a guy. Anyway, moving back to the topic at hand.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sartorius Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 ^I'm a guy. Anyway' date=' moving back to the topic at hand....[/quote'] Oh. Terribly sorry there, sir. Musta been the hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Tsukuyomi is super duper kawaii desu, because she has long blue hair and an awesome tattoo!, although it is a little scary, the tattoo because it has rough pointies and her expression is all about "serious business" in this meta. On-topic: Useless in Lightsworn. Once it's milled it's gone forever. Possibly useful in DAD, but there are other dark monsters in existance. Maybe for a deck that swarms, like Zombies, but even then Grandmole does it better and can be special summoned and has a low attack for Limit Reverse. Even when Tsuk does come out, she'll just be a random surprise to topple... nothing. <_< Colossal Fighter comes back after being destroyed in battle by her. Goyo Guardian walls it. Set a Stardust to let your massive explosions go off, though unless it's DAD (which should be banned) or Crush (which should be banned) or Torrential (which you've already wasted your normal summon on), won't do much. Thought Ruler Archfiend, Red Dragon Archfiend, Black Rose Dragon, Magical Android, DoomKaiser Dragon, Brionac, Iron Chain Dragon, Junk Warrior, Cosmic Fortress, Natural Beast, they all have higher defense then this gal's attack. She doesn't really accomplish anything, other then resetting flip effects. If a flip effect is so meta-game harming that this card should be banned solely because of this card's existence, the flip should be banned, not Tsuk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabris Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 I do think that it's underpowered, and that for its loops to continue ad infinitum, it must require a lot of support and deck dedication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sartorius Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 No, tabris. It's broken, hence why it's banned. Pika: You weeaboo <_______< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 No' date=' tabris. It's broken, hence why it's banned. Pika: You weeaboo <_______<[/quote'] So are you saying that every card Konami bans is broken? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 No' date=' tabris. It's broken, hence why it's banned.[/quote'] Cool story bra. Prove it's broken/bannable. Pika: You weeaboo <_______< no u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabris Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 No' date=' tabris. It's broken, hence why it's banned.[/quote'] I haven't formed mine mind up yet, but I seriously doubt the capability of builds supportin' the Tsukuyomi/random Flip loop to last long, especially as, unlike most other loops, you must wait for another turn before you perform another part of an endless sequence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sartorius Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 It makes any High Attack monster flip into F/D Def. Most high ATK monsters have low DEF. Example: Monarchs. It can be used to abuse Flip effect monsters. It can change the flow of the game if used correctly. etc etc. 5:20am though so I'm off to bed. Can't be bothered to find more reasons. But yeah, no more discussion needed from my part. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orochi Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 No' date=' tabris. It's broken, hence why it's banned. Pika: You weeaboo <_______<[/quote'] So are you saying that every card Konami bans is broken? obviously not... ask metamorphosis... anyway, tsukuyomi is the kind of cards that usually are abusable no matter the meta is... so keep it banned... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sartorius Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 No' date=' tabris. It's broken, hence why it's banned. Pika: You weeaboo <_______<[/quote'] So are you saying that every card Konami bans is broken? obviously not... ask metamorphosis... anyway, tsukuyomi is the kind of cards that usually are abusable no matter the meta is... so keep it banned... You got it in one. It can control the field and end games by itself. That is what a broken card does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 It makes any High Attack monster flip into F/D Def. Most high ATK monsters have low DEF. Example: Monarchs. And? I can accomplish what you are suggesting much easier and without wasting a Normal Summon by simply using Smashing Ground. It can be used to abuse Flip effect monsters. What Flip Effect monsters can it abuse that aren't already banworthy? It can change the flow of the game if used correctly. Ban PWWB. Ban Raiza. Ban Caius. Ban etc. etc etc. And so on and so forth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabris Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 It makes any High Attack monster flip into F/D Def. Most high ATK monsters have low DEF. Example: Monarchs. It can be used to abuse Flip effect monsters. It can change the flow of the game if used correctly. So does Book of Moon, Book of Eclipse, Jutte Fighter (well, it does change battle positions, now)... Yes, I concur. However, its loops conclude in a matter of turns, unlike most other loops, which conclude in a single turn. So does every card in existence (heart of the cards, anyone)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sartorius Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 It makes any High Attack monster flip into F/D Def. Most high ATK monsters have low DEF. Example: Monarchs. And? I can accomplish what you are suggesting much easier and without wasting a Normal Summon by simply using Smashing Ground. It can be used to abuse Flip effect monsters. What Flip Effect monsters can it abuse that aren't already banworthy? It can change the flow of the game if used correctly. Ban PWWB. Ban Raiza. Ban Caius. Ban etc. etc etc. And so on and so forth. Smashing Ground: No. You'd be wasting a card, when you could kill the monster and still keep an extra card at hand. It's called advantage. Ban Raiza: No. Raiza requires a tribute, and is at 1. Caius: Same. PWWB: Cost. What flips? Most spellcasters can be abused with flips easily. I'd love to get advantage from flipping my Crystal Seer or Old Vindictive multiple times. kthx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabris Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Smashing Ground: No. You'd be wasting a card, when you could kill the monster and still keep an extra card at hand. It's called advantage. Book of Moon, Book of Eclipse, Jutte Fighter. And, on another level, Burden of the Mighty/Mirror Wall coupled with any beatstick. Ban Raiza: No. Raiza requires a tribute, and is at 1. Caius: Same. PWWB: Cost. You said Tsukuyomi can alter games if used correctly, though. Thus, if I use Malicious to mitigate PWWB's cost... What flips? Most spellcasters can be abused with flips easily. I'd love to get advantage from flipping my Crystal Seer or Old Vindictive multiple times. The problem comes with the fact that you must wait for a turn - and thus be subject to your opponent's increasin' scrutiny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 It makes any High Attack monster flip into F/D Def. Most high ATK monsters have low DEF. Example: Monarchs. And? I can accomplish what you are suggesting much easier and without wasting a Normal Summon by simply using Smashing Ground. It can be used to abuse Flip effect monsters. What Flip Effect monsters can it abuse that aren't already banworthy? It can change the flow of the game if used correctly. Ban PWWB. Ban Raiza. Ban Caius. Ban etc. etc etc. And so on and so forth. Smashing Ground: No. You'd be wasting a card' date=' when you could kill the monster and still keep an extra card at hand. It's called advantage. Ban Raiza: No. Raiza requires a tribute, and is at 1. Caius: Same. PWWB: Cost. What flips? Most spellcasters can be abused with flips easily. I'd love to get advantage from flipping my Crystal Seer or Old Vindictive multiple times. kthx.[/quote'] You assume that the attack will go though, the Summon won't ever be negated, that it will never be destroyed while it is on the field, etc. And how does Raiza requiring a Tribute make it any less flow changing? And why are you referencing Raiza's position on Konami's list? Same for Caius. PWWB: Tsuk has a cost, too. So you're saying a 2 card combo that wastes your Normal Summon and only nets you 1 card is abusable enough to justify banning a card? And Old Vindictive is lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sartorius Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 It makes any High Attack monster flip into F/D Def. Most high ATK monsters have low DEF. Example: Monarchs. And? I can accomplish what you are suggesting much easier and without wasting a Normal Summon by simply using Smashing Ground. It can be used to abuse Flip effect monsters. What Flip Effect monsters can it abuse that aren't already banworthy? It can change the flow of the game if used correctly. Ban PWWB. Ban Raiza. Ban Caius. Ban etc. etc etc. And so on and so forth. Smashing Ground: No. You'd be wasting a card' date=' when you could kill the monster and still keep an extra card at hand. It's called advantage. Ban Raiza: No. Raiza requires a tribute, and is at 1. Caius: Same. PWWB: Cost. What flips? Most spellcasters can be abused with flips easily. I'd love to get advantage from flipping my Crystal Seer or Old Vindictive multiple times. kthx.[/quote'] You assume that the attack will go though, the Summon won't ever be negated, that it will never be destroyed while it is on the field, etc. And how does Raiza requiring a Tribute make it any less flow changing? And why are you referencing Raiza's position on Konami's list? Same for Caius. PWWB: Tsuk has a cost, too. So you're saying a 2 card combo that wastes your Normal Summon and only nets you 1 card is abusable enough to justify banning a card? And Old Vindictive is lol. Tsuk has no cost, per say. Sure, you use up your summon, but that shouldn't affect you if you're good enough. Old Vindictive "lol"s at you, my good sir. Good day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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