Dark Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 [align=center]This "article", or whatever you will call it was not copied and pasted from any outside or external source or Pokemon website. All of the information in this article is either found through research or testing. All opinions are mine and not anyone elses. If you have nothing to add to the conversation, please leave now. You don't have to post here. If you know nothing about competitive battling, GTFO of this thread and let someone with knowledge speak. I don't want random spammers killing this thread. If you see any opinions you disagree with or believe are wrong, please PM or post here.Arceus We all know Arceus from the Sinnoh Region, ranked number 493 in the National Dex, he is the last obtainable Pokemon as of now. He is the supposed God of Pokemon and rules over the land. But why would Nintendo let loose such an overpowered Pokemon that can rip through teams in a matter of seconds? Was this an accident, or did they really lose their minds? Before we can analyze Arceus, we have to look at its competitive release. Although being ranked Uber, Smogon Shoddy Battle bans Arceus from the UU, OU and Uber Tiers. It is not allowed in 99% of tournies and you will be disqualified if you are caught using one. It is unavailable as of now, and only known hackers have "access" to this Pokemon. It is not even availavle in Japan, while hordes of other Pokemon are. Arceus has the highest stat total in all of the 493 Pokemon. It has 120 in every stat, leading to an astounding 720 total. The only viable Pokemon that comes close to this is Mewtwo sporting 680, which is mainly because of SpA and Spe. With 252 EVs and a positive nature, it can attain 372 in any stat barring HP. With 252 EVs and a neutral nature, it can attain 339 in any stat barring HP. With 252 EVs, it can attain 444 HP. Yeah, 444. Without any EVs and a neutral or negative nature, Arceus will still have upwards of 230 defenses. This allows it to take at least 1 hit from both sides of the D/P/Pt spectrum. Arceus has an unusual ability, Multitype. It changes its Normal type depending on the plate it is holding. This makes it easy to attain STAB moves. Just attach a plate and BAM. Your move now gets STAB. Arceus also has an exclusive move. Much like Dark Void, Judgement is a move that will test your opponent's nerves. It has 100 Base Power and 10 PP, so it seems like your ordinary Earthquake. But this move changes type depending on what type Arceus is. This means this move will ALWAYS get STAB bonus. That Earthquake now turned into a 150 Base Power move backed with 339-372 SpA. Arceus' movepool is insanity. Earthquake, Extremespeed, Shadow Claw, Swords Dance, Judgement, Recover, Brick Break, Calm Mind, Substitute [Which can be used to make 101 HP Subs, to stop Seismic Toss.], Ice Beam, Toxic, Roar, Punishment, Will-o-Wisp, Outrage, Overheat... Most people who have no knowledge of competitive battling, note most people, will say, "Well, just find out what type Arceus is and hit it for super-effective damage. Har, har." That is harder said then done. Arceus can be any type, and if you don't have a super-effective move, it will Swords Dance or Calm Mind while you switch out. Then using its insane speed or Extremespeed, it will sweep you. Even with no Def or SpD EVs, it can take AT LEAST 1 hit from a super-effective hit, as long as it is not some insane 120 Base Power thing. A Normal Arceus with no Defense EVs has a pretty good chance of surviving 2 Brick Breaks, 1 Superpower or 1 Close Combat. Countering Arceus is the hardest day in a competitive battlers life. These are the steps you have to take... 1.) Find out what type Arceus is, and get a good look at its moveset.2.) Make sure you can switch in with ease and stop it from statting up.3.) Kill it. The first step is not that hard, you will probably lose half of a Pokemon getting that done. The second one can only be done with Roar, Whirlwind or Taunt. The third step is near impossible. Arceus is the most versatile Pokemon there is. It is extremely hard to find a good enough counter, which is why it is banned on most teams. While not ranking high enough to out-epic Wobbufett, Arceus will really hurt you when it comes to Uber battling.[/align] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 Don't forget to mention that as well as STAB, thanks to Judgement's type change it also gains power from the plates ability which is an extra 10% power. The best way to kill Arceus is with another Pokemon with insane power like Deoxys or something like Darkrai which can out speed it if it's using a special set or using the commonly placed Sash. However it still pewns, an SD, STAB, Silk Scarf, Extreme Speed is damn near impossible to counter coming from any Pokemon bar a Ghost. However in Ubers (which is generally where Arceus would stay) the only Ghost is Girantina and after an SD even Giratina wouldn't be able to take its hits as well as it would like and it's outright dead if Arceus is supporting a Shadow Claw in its arsenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ Chidori-Kun Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 LOL Rattata + Focus Sashh + Endevour = PWN all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 LOL Rattata + Focus Sashh + Endevour = PWN allExtreme Speed. You lose. This, Mewtwo, and Deoxys A are the top pokemon. Arceus can only be countered once you know the move set because their are to many things that it can do. However ones you know the moveset it does become beatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted February 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 I have yet to find a Ghost Pokemon with a higher speed, so it can be immune to Extremespeed and outspeed a Shadow Claw, and can OHKO it. None. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 I belive for him using my witherer down stratigy with Dusclops. Will-O-Wisps, then put it to sleep so I can switch out my Mewtwo and finish the job. My Mewtwo is very good with these stats. (Currently on Emerald)HP: 385AT: 275DF: 197SA: 336SD: 214SP: 317He is holding Twisted Spoons with Psychic and Recover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 My Mewtwo is a beast but it would still have to take an Extreme spped to kill it, I forget its exact ATK but its 448 or something, I know it's as high as it can go lets put it that way. Plus it's SPD is 352 so if it's using a +SPD nature it could hit me with anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 You have to be lying, my Mewtwo is at lv.100 and I haved all the upgrades (Proteins, Calcium, ect.) and yours is way over the stats. I'm sorry but so is my Deoxys Speed Form and your Mewtwo's speed is faster. <--unlikly.......impossible no matter what nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 My Mewtwo is a beast but it would still have to take an Extreme spped to kill it' date=' I forget its exact ATK but its 448 or something, I know it's as high as it can go lets put it that way. Plus it's SPD is 352 so if it's using a +SPD nature it could hit me with anything.[/quote']Max SpA is 447. SPD is speed no? You have to be lying' date=' my Mewtwo is at lv.100 and I haved all the upgrades (Proteins, Calcium, ect.) and yours is way over the stats. I'm sorry but so is my Deoxys [b']Speed Form[/b] and your Mewtwo's speed is faster. No, his SpA is over, by 1, and that is likely because he rounded (he says "or something") His Spe is also perfectly in the norm for Mewtwo with a non increasing nature. As for the Deoxys, IDK why yours is lower since it can't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 You have to be lying' date=' my Mewtwo is at lv.100 and I haved all the upgrades (Proteins, Calcium, ect.) and yours is way over the stats. I'm sorry but so is my Deoxys [b']Speed Form[/b] and your Mewtwo's speed is faster. <--unlikly.......impossible no matter what nature. *face palm* Max SATK is 447 and that's what mine is, I couldn't remeber exactly but I knew it was above 440 and below 450, also the reason why my Mewtwo is faster than your Deoxys is you suck at training and you have a bad nature + bad IVs +EVs aka it sucks, also I rule at training stuff (Tell him about the Darkrai Flame). Oh and Vitamins suck, get training properly. Also it's SPD's (yes it's speed) not 352 it's 359. If you want proof I'll take a picture with my phone and send it to you as a PM. If you want more proof of how... above average... I am I'll battle you on WiFi:twisted: Here's a link to show you Mewtwo's stats (they're at the botom). Mine is Modest with a 252/252/4 spread. http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/150.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted February 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Don't forget to mention that as well as STAB' date=' thanks to Judgement's type change it also gains power from the plates ability which is an extra 10% power. The best way to kill Arceus is with another Pokemon with insane power like Deoxys or something like Darkrai which can out speed it if it's using a special set or using the commonly placed Sash. However it still pewns, an SD, STAB, Silk Scarf, Extreme Speed is damn near impossible to counter coming from any Pokemon bar a Ghost. However in Ubers (which is generally where Arceus would stay) the only Ghost is Girantina and after an SD even Giratina wouldn't be able to take its hits as well as it would like and it's outright dead if Arceus is supporting a Shadow Claw in its arsenal.[/quote'] I forgot about the plates netting an extra 10% boost, but no point adding it now. And most Arceus do have ES and Shadow Claw on the same set. LOL Rattata + Focus Sashh + Endevour = PWN all Fail. I use Extremespeed and Recover off your damage. LOL Rattata + Focus Sashh + Endevour = PWN allExtreme Speed. You lose. This' date=' Mewtwo, and Deoxys A are the top pokemon. Arceus can only be countered once you know the move set because their are to many things that it can do. However ones you know the moveset it does become beatable.[/quote'] I would think Darkrai comes pretty close, as it's base speed is hard to out-run and I have seen it 2HKO a Blissey with Dark Pulse. But it had 3 Nasty Plots with it. I have yet to find a Ghost Pokemon with a higher speed' date=' so it can be immune to Extremespeed and outspeed a Shadow Claw, and can OHKO it. None.[/quote'] Why am I quoting myself? xD I belive for him using my witherer down stratigy with Dusclops. Will-O-Wisps' date=' then put it to sleep so I can switch out my Mewtwo and finish the job. My Mewtwo is very good with these stats. (Currently on Emerald)HP: 385AT: 275DF: 197SA: 336SD: 214SP: 317He is holding Twisted Spoons with Psychic and Recover.[/quote'] You cannot Will-o-Wisp and put something to sleep. And Psychic is a horrible move in Uber. My Mewtwo is a beast but it would still have to take an Extreme spped to kill it' date=' I forget its exact ATK but its 448 or something, I know it's as high as it can go lets put it that way. Plus it's SPD is 352 so if it's using a +SPD nature it could hit me with anything.[/quote'] Ugh. SpD means Special Defense. Spe means Speed. It makes it so much easier. Mewtwo has 448 Atk or SpA? :D You have to be lying' date=' my Mewtwo is at lv.100 and I haved all the upgrades (Proteins, Calcium, ect.) and yours is way over the stats. I'm sorry but so is my Deoxys [b']Speed Form[/b] and your Mewtwo's speed is faster. <--unlikly.......impossible no matter what nature. You probably suck at EV training and IV breeding. Oh, and natures. My Mewtwo is a beast but it would still have to take an Extreme spped to kill it' date=' I forget its exact ATK but its 448 or something, I know it's as high as it can go lets put it that way. Plus it's SPD is 352 so if it's using a +SPD nature it could hit me with anything.[/quote']Max SpA is 447. SPD is speed no? You have to be lying' date=' my Mewtwo is at lv.100 and I haved all the upgrades (Proteins, Calcium, ect.) and yours is way over the stats. I'm sorry but so is my Deoxys [b']Speed Form[/b] and your Mewtwo's speed is faster. <--unlikly.......impossible no matter what nature.No, his SpA is over, by 1, and that is likely because he rounded (he says "or something") His Spe is also perfectly in the norm for Mewtwo with a non increasing nature. As for the Deoxys, IDK why yours is lower since it can't be. Probably because he is not good at competitive battling. You have to be lying' date=' my Mewtwo is at lv.100 and I haved all the upgrades (Proteins, Calcium, ect.) and yours is way over the stats. I'm sorry but so is my Deoxys [b']Speed Form[/b] and your Mewtwo's speed is faster. <--unlikly.......impossible no matter what nature. *face palm* Max SATK is 447 and that's what mine is, I couldn't remeber exactly but I knew it was above 440 and below 450, also the reason why my Mewtwo is faster than your Deoxys is you suck at training and you have a bad nature + bad IVs +EVs aka it sucks, also I rule at training stuff (Tell him about the Darkrai Flame). Oh and Vitamins suck, get training properly. Also it's SPD's (yes it's speed) not 352 it's 359. If you want proof I'll take a picture with my phone and send it to you as a PM. If you want more proof of how... above average... I am I'll battle you on WiFi:twisted: Here's a link to show you Mewtwo's stats (they're at the botom). Mine is Modest with a 252/252/4 spread. http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/150.shtml How is Mewtwo about Arceus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Sorry Dark but I dislike him pointing the finger without the facts. What he does have to do with Arceus though is that given particular Arceus sets, Mewtwo has a high chance of pwning him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callaway14 Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 You can find out Arceus's type by looking at the color. serebii.net has an identification page for looking at which color means which type. Arceus may be incvincible, but he has his flaws, no matter what type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted February 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Sorry Dark but I dislike him pointing the finger without the facts. What he does have to do with Arceus though is that given particular Arceus sets' date=' Mewtwo has a high chance of pwning him.[/quote'] Uhm, how about no? Mewtwo, even though it has a massive SpA, will NEVER be able to OHKO Arceus without Choice Specs. That leaves room for Swords Dance and Extremespeed or a Shadow Claw and Extremespeed. Mewtwo WILL be faster, but that is what Extremespeed is for. You can find out Arceus's type by looking at the color. serebii.net has an identification page for looking at which color means which type. Arceus may be incvincible' date=' but he has his flaws, no matter what type.[/quote'] Yes, but just finding out its type does not help too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callaway14 Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 What about using Pokemon like Wobuffet or Wigglytuff? Wigglytuff can use Sing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted February 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Arceus can Extremespeed before your Wigglytuff can use Sing. Arceus can Swords Dance on the switch into Wobuffet and deliver a OHKO with Shadow Claw. EDIT: Arceus can use Swords Dance when Wobufett switches in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 My Mewtwo is a beast but it would still have to take an Extreme spped to kill it' date=' I forget its exact ATK but its 448 or something, I know it's as high as it can go lets put it that way. Plus it's SPD is 352 so if it's using a +SPD nature it could hit me with anything.[/quote']Max SpA is 447. SPD is speed no? You have to be lying' date=' my Mewtwo is at lv.100 and I haved all the upgrades (Proteins, Calcium, ect.) and yours is way over the stats. I'm sorry but so is my Deoxys [b']Speed Form[/b] and your Mewtwo's speed is faster. No, his SpA is over, by 1, and that is likely because he rounded (he says "or something") His Spe is also perfectly in the norm for Mewtwo with a non increasing nature. As for the Deoxys, IDK why yours is lower since it can't be. Probably because he is not good at competitive battling.Even if he sucked, a level 100 Deoxys speed with the lowest possible speed is still at 356, which is higher then the 352 that Felix first said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callaway14 Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Arceus can Extremespeed before your Wigglytuff can use Sing. Arceus can Swords Dance on the switch into Wobuffet and deliver a OHKO with Shadow Claw. EDIT: Arceus can use Swords Dance when Wobufett switches in.Doesn't Wobufett have Destiny Bond? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 I'm pretty sure Focus Blast or Aura Sphere could OHKO bar him being defense orientated. However with a max of 372 in both I find it unlikely it'll be defensive. A bulky one is a possibility but then again both of these wouldn't hit hard enough to kill Mewtwo before Mewtwo kills Arceus. Also bear in mind that Extreme Speed is not used in all sets especially the SATK ones. @Callaway: It does but it would need to be faster and even Wobbufet's max is lower than Arceus's min (I think?)... lulz, Wigglytuff. @Flame: It's actually 328:? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted February 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 I'm pretty sure Focus Blast or Aura Sphere could OHKO bar him being defense orientated. However b with a max of 372 I find it unlikely it'll be defensive.' date=' a bulky one is a possibility but then again both of those wouldn't hit hard enough to kill Mewtwo before Mewtwo kills Arceus.[/quote'] If Arceus decided to leave 252 EVs in ATK, and take some from HP and stow them into SpD, he could take probably an Aura Sphere or Focus Blast. And then annilihate with Swords Dance Extremspeed. Wobbufet would have Destiny Bond, but isn't that banned in the Uber meta? Or any meta? @ Flame Maybe his Deoxys is not Level 100. Did you account for a negative Speed nature, 0 IVs and 0 EVs in speed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 EDIT required Flame got something wrong :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 My Mewtwo is a beast but it would still have to take an Extreme spped to kill it' date=' I forget its exact ATK but its 448 or something, I know it's as high as it can go lets put it that way. Plus it's SPD is 352 so if it's using a +SPD nature it could hit me with anything.[/quote']Max SpA is 447. SPD is speed no? You have to be lying' date=' my Mewtwo is at lv.100 and I haved all the upgrades (Proteins, Calcium, ect.) and yours is way over the stats. I'm sorry but so is my Deoxys [b']Speed Form[/b] and your Mewtwo's speed is faster. <--unlikly.......impossible no matter what nature.No, his SpA is over, by 1, and that is likely because he rounded (he says "or something") His Spe is also perfectly in the norm for Mewtwo with a non increasing nature. As for the Deoxys, IDK why yours is lower since it can't be. Probably because he is not good at competitive battling.Even if he sucked, a level 100 Deoxys speed with the lowest possible speed is still at 356, which is higher then the 352 that Felix first said. My bad I was looking at my level 50 Mewtwo and Deoxys while posting. My bad :lol: Yeah my deoxy is way faster than that, my Mewtwo is around yours in stats too. (My SP DEF is higher and SP AT is lower) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Of course you were... ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 I'm pretty sure Focus Blast or Aura Sphere could OHKO bar him being defense orientated. However b with a max of 372 I find it unlikely it'll be defensive.' date=' a bulky one is a possibility but then again both of those wouldn't hit hard enough to kill Mewtwo before Mewtwo kills Arceus.[/quote'] If Arceus decided to leave 252 EVs in ATK, and take some from HP and stow them into SpD, he could take probably an Aura Sphere or Focus Blast. And then annilihate with Swords Dance Extremspeed. Wobbufet would have Destiny Bond, but isn't that banned in the Uber meta? Or any meta? @ Flame Maybe his Deoxys is not Level 100. Did you account for a negative Speed nature, 0 IVs and 0 EVs in speed?I did. Also the odds of you having all 3 are very bad unless your very bad.EDIT required Flame got something wrong :oWhat do you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 I already said minimum SPE for Spees Deoxys is 328 not 356. I don't know where you got that from. Also once again Mewtwo's SPE is 359 not 352, I made another error >_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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