[DISC] Judgment Dragon vs. Dark Armed Dragon

[CrabHelmet]

Dark Wealthy Dragon

[Normal Spell]

Activate only while your Graveyard contains exactly 3 DARK monsters. Destroy all cards your opponent controls and inflict 2800 damage to your opponent's Life Points.

[Guest PikaPerson01]

Dark Armed Dragon is much more splashable (so much so that even a Lightsworn deck could tech a copy with some success.), much less destructive to your own swarming (Should you SS JD and call Priority, if your opponent can chain with something that can destroy it, such as Bottomless Traphole, you've wipe the field and got no win condition), and much easier and more likely to come out (the fact it won't get milled, and that getting 3 in the grave is done remarkably quick with very little lost in card advantage.)

 

That's not saying Judgment Dragon isn't bannable. Rather, both cards are, Dark Armed Dragon to a much great extent.

[Sleepy]

star: read everything or don't say anything....I just posted my opinion so you don't have to put attension to it if you dont want to' date=' now stop insulting me. -_-"

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I kind of skimmed through it. I'm clearly stating that DaD definitely needs to be banned, regardless of how much of an impact it is making at the moment.

 

"you are like the george bush or yugioh"

"I'm glad you don't work for konami"

 

and the reason you needed to tell me the above things to demonstrate that DAD should be banned before your eyes was!? "

 

DAD wasn't considered bannable before synchros appeared, why make cards that will get already existing cards banned? ..... I bet that stardust will at least get semi limited after all the 5ds noise is over...

I see your point and respect it...now you respect mine and stop making both of us spam in this post

[Guest Star]

star: read everything or don't say anything....I just posted my opinion so you don't have to put attension to it if you dont want to' date=' now stop insulting me. -_-"

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I kind of skimmed through it. I'm clearly stating that DaD definitely needs to be banned, regardless of how much of an impact it is making at the moment.

 

"you are like the george bush or yugioh"

"I'm glad you don't work for konami"

 

and the reason you needed to tell me the above things to demonstrate that DAD should be banned before your eyes was!? "

 

DAD wasn't considered bannable before synchros appeared, why make cards that will get already existing cards banned? ..... I bet that stardust will at least get semi limited after all the 5ds noise is over...

I see your point and respect it...now you respect mine and stop making both of us spam in this post

 

I didn't spam at all. I made sure to include on-topic information in all of my posts so that I would not be spamming.

 

Dark Armed Dragon has been and always will be bannable, regardless of Synchros.

 

Judgment Dragon, as I stated earlier, is not bannable, and should be unlimited.

[Guest PikaPerson01]

DAD wasn't considered bannable before synchros appeared

 

Yes it was. Were you asleep for the past 11 months or are you just an idiot?

[CrabHelmet]

Judgment Dragon' date=' as I stated earlier, is not bannable, and should be unlimited.

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And here I was thinking we were making progress on the Judgment Dragoon topic when, after an entire bloody year, Quiff finally got it through his skull that Judgment Dragoon deserves the banhammer.

 

Judgment Dragoon

Laughably easy activation condition that just lets a luck-based deck make sackier wins than ever. Final Destiny. 3000 damage. Removal bait.

[Sleepy]

DAD wasn't considered bannable before synchros appeared

 

Yes it was. Were you asleep for the past 11 months or are you just an idiot?

 

I know its overpowered... but .... do you have one? ... how easy is it to get? .... that's my point... I see it almost like if konami decided to get "gold sarcophagus" banned or something... DAD is more like.....

in the edge.....

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

Exodia's Crotch

Normal Spell Card

Inflict 8000 damage to your opponent's Life Points.

 

Yes, slightly OP'd, but it shouldn't be banned. I'll make it cost a lot to balance it.

[Guest PikaPerson01]

DAD wasn't considered bannable before synchros appeared

 

Yes it was. Were you asleep for the past 11 months or are you just an idiot?

 

I know its overpowered... but .... do you have one? ... how easy is it to get? .... that's my point... I see it almost like if konami decided to get "gold sarcophagus" banned or something... DAD is more like.....

in the edge.....

 

Whether I have one is irrelevant. And even if I did not, should I feel the need to acquire one, there are still quite a many options available to me:

 

1) Buy the card from the few specialized Card Shops around here.

2) Search for the card online (such as eBay).

 

It's not too difficult to get one for someone who honestly wanted it at the current market price.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

And if anything, that turns yugioh into a game of who has the most money.

[Psycho Shocker Android]

DAD is a rare in japan rarity isn't a valid argument to ban unless they make a card obtainable in different rarity who has a different effect depending on what rarity it is. (wich would be retarded but original)

[CrabHelmet]

I have YVD; ergo, I have every card ever made, and every card never made if I really want them.

[tonisanoob]

both should be banned bottom line in terms of power jd wins, but as mentioned, dad is more splashable

 

also no dad and jd arnt hard to find go to a large tournoment, and there will be about 1000 dads in one venue

[Aximil]

I have YVD; ergo' date=' I have every card ever made, and every card never made if I really want them.

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That's off topic. They're talking about obtaining one with money.

 

But, I think Judgment Dragon is the stronger of the two in an early game.

 

Judgement Dragon Pros:

1. Easier to get out.

2. Completely wipes the field except for itself.

3. Better stats.

 

Judgment Dragon Cons:

1. It gets milled too easily.

2. It's effect can't be used too many times.

 

DAD Pros:

1. More splashable.

2. Almost unlimited use of it's effect.

3. You choose the cards that get wiped out.

 

DAD Cons:

1. Harder to get out.

 

 

That's how I see them.

[Guest Star]

Judgment Dragon' date=' as I stated earlier, is not bannable, and should be unlimited.

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And here I was thinking we were making progress on the Judgment Dragoon topic when, after an entire bloody year, Quiff finally got it through his skull that Judgment Dragoon deserves the banhammer.

 

Judgment Dragoon

Laughably easy activation condition that just lets a luck-based deck make sackier wins than ever. Final Destiny. 3000 damage. Removal bait.

 

You're missing the whole "themed" part. It's not like you can just splash Judgment Dragon into any Deck and have it work successfully. DARK is not a theme; it's an Attribute; an Attribute with at least ten times more card choices than those of Lightsworn, making it much easier to use.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

You're like the John McCain of yugioh…

[pitchblack64]

dont know DAD must have exactly three DRK cards on the field to be played

but judgment thins your deck and causes you to draw out faster if you dont use it right

both of them have the ability to destroy. DAD also is more spashable cause most good decks

these days consist of DRKs and JuD has more ATK DEF force but ill have to go with DAD

[CrabHelmet]

Judgment Dragon' date=' as I stated earlier, is not bannable, and should be unlimited.

[/quote']

 

And here I was thinking we were making progress on the Judgment Dragoon topic when, after an entire bloody year, Quiff finally got it through his skull that Judgment Dragoon deserves the banhammer.

 

Judgment Dragoon

Laughably easy activation condition that just lets a luck-based deck make sackier wins than ever. Final Destiny. 3000 damage. Removal bait.

 

You're missing the whole "themed" part. It's not like you can just splash Judgment Dragon into any Deck and have it work successfully. DARK is not a theme; it's an Attribute; an Attribute with at least ten times more card choices than those of Lightsworn, making it much easier to use.

 

This kid wants Gyzarus banned but balks at killing Judgment Dragoon because it's "themed".

 

Yes, it requires support. The thing is: most cards do. You can't just splash, say, Demise into a random deck and make it work properly; you need deck dedication, running Ritual spells, Ritual searchers like Manju, Vanillas, other OTK components like Doom Dozer and Black Bomber, and so on.

 

The fact that Judgment Dragoon can only be used in one of the least skilled decks ever created merely strengthens the argument that it has no purpose beyond pulling lucksack victories from nowhere without requiring any mental processing that couldn't be accomplished by a banana peel in a coma.

[pitchblack64]

goood point (i guess) but lightsworns still take skill just less of it

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

That's irrelevant. Everything takes some amount of skill.

[CrabHelmet]

The only way for a deck to take no skill whatsoever would be for all the cards to have effects that force their own activation when drawn.

[xzMasteRzx]

DaD, hands down. You get to special summon a monster and by removing 1 of the 3 DARK monsters in your grave, you can take out a card of your choice. And you can take out 3 cards in one turn. Not only that but if the monster removed has an effect that activates while out of play, this starts another combo, all in one turn!!!! Judgement Dragon needs 4 DIFFERENT "Lightsworn" monsters in the grave and you gotta pay 1000 lifepionts to destroy ALL cards, even your own. Plus you lose 4 cards of your deck, ruining the game lan for yourself, meaning you just helped your opponent by doing a 2-1 combo! DaD is good in ALL decks and Judgement Dragon needs to be in one themed deck to put it at it's full potential!

 

Score----Dark Armed Dragon: 10/10 (EPIC WIN to the highest degree.)

Judgement Dragon: -10/10 (this is the definition of EPIC FAIL)

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

Yeah, I run DAD in my WATER deck, it's great discard fodder.

[Guest Star]

DaD' date=' hands down. You get to special summon a monster and by removing 1 of the 3 DARK monsters in your grave, you can take out a card of your choice. And you can take out 3 cards in one turn. Not only that but if the monster removed has an effect that activates while out of play, this starts another combo, all in one turn!!!! Judgement Dragon needs 4 DIFFERENT "Lightsworn" monsters in the grave and you gotta pay 1000 lifepionts to destroy ALL cards, even your own. Plus you lose 4 cards of your deck, ruining the game lan for yourself, meaning you just helped your opponent by doing a 2-1 combo! DaD is good in ALL decks and Judgement Dragon needs to be in one themed deck to put it at it's full potential!

 

Score----Dark Armed Dragon: 10/10 (EPIC WIN to the highest degree.)

Judgement Dragon: -10/10 (this is the definition of EPIC FAIL)

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Judgment Dragon's milling effect isn't a bad thing. Especially not in Lightsworn Decks

 

Judgment Dragon' date=' as I stated earlier, is not bannable, and should be unlimited.

[/quote']

 

And here I was thinking we were making progress on the Judgment Dragoon topic when, after an entire bloody year, Quiff finally got it through his skull that Judgment Dragoon deserves the banhammer.

 

Judgment Dragoon

Laughably easy activation condition that just lets a luck-based deck make sackier wins than ever. Final Destiny. 3000 damage. Removal bait.

 

You're missing the whole "themed" part. It's not like you can just splash Judgment Dragon into any Deck and have it work successfully. DARK is not a theme; it's an Attribute; an Attribute with at least ten times more card choices than those of Lightsworn, making it much easier to use.

 

This kid wants Gyzarus banned but balks at killing Judgment Dragoon because it's "themed".

 

Yes, it requires support. The thing is: most cards do. You can't just splash, say, Demise into a random deck and make it work properly; you need deck dedication, running Ritual spells, Ritual searchers like Manju, Vanillas, other OTK components like Doom Dozer and Black Bomber, and so on.

 

The fact that Judgment Dragoon can only be used in one of the least skilled decks ever created merely strengthens the argument that it has no purpose beyond pulling lucksack victories from nowhere without requiring any mental processing that couldn't be accomplished by a banana peel in a coma.

 

Demise, King of Armageddon had an OTK. By banning a piece to the OTK, it became less powerful. Judgment Dragon isn't part of an OTK. Regardless of Lightsworns lucky draws, Judgment Dragon isn't banworthy because it requires serious Deck Dedication.

[CrabHelmet]

DaD' date=' hands down. You get to special summon a monster and by removing 1 of the 3 DARK monsters in your grave, you can take out a card of your choice. And you can take out 3 cards in one turn. Not only that but if the monster removed has an effect that activates while out of play, this starts another combo, all in one turn!!!! Judgement Dragon needs 4 DIFFERENT "Lightsworn" monsters in the grave and you gotta pay 1000 lifepionts to destroy ALL cards, even your own. Plus you lose 4 cards of your deck, ruining the game lan for yourself, meaning you just helped your opponent by doing a 2-1 combo! DaD is good in ALL decks and Judgement Dragon needs to be in one themed deck to put it at it's full potential!

 

Score----Dark Armed Dragon: 10/10 (EPIC WIN to the highest degree.)

Judgement Dragon: -10/10 (this is the definition of EPIC FAIL)

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Judgment Dragon's milling effect isn't a bad thing. Especially not in Lightsworn Decks

 

Judgment Dragon' date=' as I stated earlier, is not bannable, and should be unlimited.

[/quote']

 

And here I was thinking we were making progress on the Judgment Dragoon topic when, after an entire bloody year, Quiff finally got it through his skull that Judgment Dragoon deserves the banhammer.

 

Judgment Dragoon

Laughably easy activation condition that just lets a luck-based deck make sackier wins than ever. Final Destiny. 3000 damage. Removal bait.

 

You're missing the whole "themed" part. It's not like you can just splash Judgment Dragon into any Deck and have it work successfully. DARK is not a theme; it's an Attribute; an Attribute with at least ten times more card choices than those of Lightsworn, making it much easier to use.

 

This kid wants Gyzarus banned but balks at killing Judgment Dragoon because it's "themed".

 

Yes, it requires support. The thing is: most cards do. You can't just splash, say, Demise into a random deck and make it work properly; you need deck dedication, running Ritual spells, Ritual searchers like Manju, Vanillas, other OTK components like Doom Dozer and Black Bomber, and so on.

 

The fact that Judgment Dragoon can only be used in one of the least skilled decks ever created merely strengthens the argument that it has no purpose beyond pulling lucksack victories from nowhere without requiring any mental processing that couldn't be accomplished by a banana peel in a coma.

 

Demise, King of Armageddon had an OTK. By banning a piece to the OTK, it became less powerful. Judgment Dragon isn't part of an OTK. Regardless of Lightsworns lucky draws, Judgment Dragon isn't banworthy because it requires serious Deck Dedication.

 

3 Judgment Dragoon = OTK. Semi-Limit time, m i rite?

 

You are assuming that deck dedication necessarily implies balance. This is a false assumption.

 

Judgment Dragoon has one und prezisely vun purpose: namely, to create skillless lucksack wins from nowhere. Such a card is a negative influence upon the game.