Administrators Falling Pizza Posted March 26, 2007 Administrators Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 What do you mean by "Too Intelligent"? Are you saying that you dislike religion so much that you wish to degrade the the intelligence of humans back into monkeys so this "Horrible" thing called religion can go back into nothingness? Do you wish to simplify everything so "you" can understand more? Did I say religion was horrible?Did I say I dislike religion?Did I say I want to simplify everything? I wasn't asking the question of whether or not humans are too inteligent in reference to religion. I'm just saying that our inteligence has its ups as well as its downs. I would also appreciate it if you wouldn't hold yourself higher, and disconnect yourself from the human race. No, sorry. I am going to continue to hold myself higher. Like for instance, I don't understand how a large collection of atoms could be combined in such a way so that they could be aware of themselves. It confuses me a crap load. That's why I believe in God and such things like that, because of tha atom thing, and because I don't understand how everything "Is". The concept of "God", is not the only of a supreme being. Personally I am agnostic (I think that's the term). I believe in a higher power but not one you pray to or recieve favor. Just a higher power. You do not have to believe in God if you don't believe in the big bang and things of those sorts. I would just like to make it clear that I am not against religion, nor do I deny the truth of it, or preach against it. Believe what you want. I have no problem with that. The problem is when people abuse those beliefs. When that happens, you can safely say that the problem would have been avoided entirely if those beliefs hadn't been their in the first place. Do not accuse me of evil anymore. If you do I will kill you.....................JK LOL!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaco Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 What do you mean by "Too Intelligent"? Are you saying that you dislike religion so much that you wish to degrade the the intelligence of humans back into monkeys so this "Horrible" thing called religion can go back into nothingness? Do you wish to simplify everything so "you" can understand more? Did I say religion was horrible?Did I say I dislike religion?Did I say I want to simplify everything? I wasn't asking the question of whether or not humans are too inteligent in reference to religion. I'm just saying that our inteligence has its ups as well as its downs. I would also appreciate it if you wouldn't hold yourself higher' date=' and disconnect yourself from the human race.[/quote'] No, sorry. I am going to continue to hold myself higher. Like for instance, I don't understand how a large collection of atoms could be combined in such a way so that they could be aware of themselves. It confuses me a crap load. That's why I believe in God and such things like that, because of tha atom thing, and because I don't understand how everything "Is". The concept of "God", is not the only of a supreme being. Personally I am agnostic (I think that's the term). I believe in a higher power but not one you pray to or recieve favor. Just a higher power. You do not have to believe in God if you don't believe in the big bang and things of those sorts. you said "Religion started because humans are so intelligent as to look for an answer to the great question. So here's another question: Are humans too inteligent for their own good?" I assumed you were still talking about religion when you asked the question, because of coarse, it was the first word in your thought. about this:Did I say religion was horrible?Did I say I dislike religion?Did I say I want to simplify everything? What I got from your previous posts was that you thought religion was the cause of a lot of destruction, and life would be a lot better for everyone if it had never existed in the first place. That's where I got the dislike religion thing from too. :oops: I'm afraid I forgot where you got the simplifying thing from, he he :oops: So you really think you're that much better than the rest of us, do you think we're conformists to believe that good deeds and being overall good people should be rewarded somehow, THAT WE WANT TO BE IMMORTAL, THAT WE WANT TO LIVE AFTER WE DIE, SO THAT THIS LIFE DOESN'T SEEM SO FREAKING MEANINGLESS, THAT WHEN SOMEONE DOES SOMETHING, IT MEANS SOMETHING, IT HAS AN IMPACT ON SOMETHING!!!!! I don't mean to accuse you of anything, but you seem to be forcing your beliefs onto others. Feel free to argue this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Falling Pizza Posted March 26, 2007 Administrators Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 So you really think you're that much better than the rest of us, do you think we're conformists to believe that good deeds and being overall good people should be rewarded somehow, THAT WE WANT TO BE IMMORTAL, THAT WE WANT TO LIVE AFTER WE DIE, SO THAT THIS LIFE DOESN'T SEEM SO FREAKING MEANINGLESS, THAT WHEN SOMEONE DOES SOMETHING, IT MEANS SOMETHING, IT HAS AN IMPACT ON SOMETHING!!!!! Wink Haha......you know I was just kidding when I said I was going to continue being higher than you :lol: :lol: :lol: EVERYONE POINT AND LAUGH AT SHACO!!! :lol: :lol: What I got from your previous posts was that you thought religion was the cause of a lot of destruction, and life would be a lot better for everyone if it had never existed in the first place. That's where I got the dislike religion thing from too. Embarassed I'm afraid I forgot where you got the simplifying thing from, he he Embarassed Many wars wouldn't have happened if religion wasn't there. Can we agree on that? Religion isn't bad. The abuse of religion is. Can we agree on that? If you can agree with me on those things, then we both share the same opinion. You seem to be confused as to what my point is. It's as simple as that. I don't mean to accuse you of anything, but you seem to be forcing your beliefs onto others. Feel free to argue this. Nope, I'm not forcing my beliefs on others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaco Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 Now hold on one second, I cannot accept that you were joking about that (I thought there was some universal code or something :? ) Hmmmm. I suppose I can agree with you some of the way, but there is no other side of the argument to that because there is no recorded time of wars when religion was nonexistent. Hmmmm. I can fully agree with the second one I suppose. Look as Scientology, that is a prime example, so I give you that. Same opinion... almost. I mean, like what HORUS was saying, that without religion there wouldn't be things like Suicide bombings, and religion caused 9/11. Yes, this is all true, but there is not really anything we can compare it to. But like without religion, morals wouldn't really be etched in stone and we could do things like torture people without mercy. And induce any sort of punishment we saw fit, do pretty much anything we wanted. but once again, there is nothing I can cite that would back that up. :cry: I'm posting this without reviewing it, cus I'm too lazy... and I'm cool like that 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NP Sage Posted March 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 I can't start an intelligent threadwithout itt causing controversy can I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Falling Pizza Posted March 26, 2007 Administrators Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 I agree religion gives people a reason to live and be well. But like without religion, morals wouldn't really be etched in stone and we could do things like torture people without mercy. And induce any sort of punishment we saw fit, do pretty much anything we wanted. but once again, there is nothing I can cite that would back that up. Crying or Very sad Morals don't have to be associated with religion. It just refers to good and evil. I think we are clear now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaco Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 I know what you mean, but who decides what is good and evil. Humans need something to guide them, to teach them how to live right (Kind of odd coming from me, I'm not really that religion at all :P) I decided for myself what's good and evil, but religion played a big part in what I consider good and evil. Sorry, NP Sage, I'm actually enjoying this conversation. I hardly ever get to talk to people like this, good stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 yeah this is a deep and interesting topic NP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frunk Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 Wow... Shaco, you've completly dismantled what Falling meant by 'imagine there's no religion'. You are missing the point, which is 'Imagine'. Say there's no such thing as religion or 'higher power' (I'm not saying there's not - hear me out), someone, somewhere is still going to make something up to gain attention or power themself, I mean, unless you're 100% un-evil and you would never bring yourself to do such a thing, wouldn't you? (Not you as in Shaco, you as in general) WWII would not have occoured had it not been for religon, among many other wars...However,The Vikings would have still 'decended' upon England as religion they (apparently) had no choice - Invade or starve. No religion would not solve everything, but it might solve some things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 WWII definitely would not have happened, the crusades, things like that. Nice Avatar NP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaco Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 Well there's no way I can argue that because there's nothing to compare it to. Who's to say that there wouldn't be a whole slew of bigger wars and problems if there wasn't religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Falling Pizza Posted March 27, 2007 Administrators Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 Whose to say the concept of "war" would exist of there was no religion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaco Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 I'm sure the original wars weren't based on religion but to get territory and other shizzle like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danilus Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 Wars were waged over religion since the dawn of time, though religion was suppost to be a way of creating peace and you will always get people who have different opinions then others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NP Sage Posted March 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 most territory wars started because their god/bible told them the land was made for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaco Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 I don't know about the dawn of time. I'm pretty sure it took a while to create religion. :cry: I'm never gonna win this. Do all of you really think religion is that bad. You all really think that the world will, and would have been better without religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Falling Pizza Posted March 27, 2007 Administrators Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 Do all of you really think religion is that bad. STOP SAYING THAT !!! NOW!! This is what I hate: -The abuse of religion.-Evil religions (most are extinct now) I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM WITH REGULAR RELIGION!..................it's just the two things above wouldn't have existed without it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaco Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 Do all of you really think religion is that bad. STOP SAYING THAT !!! NOW!! This is what I hate: -The abuse of religion.-Evil religions (most are extinct now) I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM WITH REGULAR RELIGION!..................it's just the two things above wouldn't have existed without it Well Scientology could be considered an evil religion. IDK... I'm just not hearing any good things about religion from you, just a lot about how bad religion is, and that bad things wouldn't have happened without it. And not just from you, from everyone. "If religion didn't exist this wouldn't have happened" "Religion made people go crazy" "Religion kills however many people". What are some good things about religion? (I'd appreciate it, Frunk, if you didn't talk to me like I'm narrow minded) Here's a lot of things I agree with you on: Religion caused a whole lot of shizzle that wasn't good. Religion was a smokescreen for a lot of those events, and a lot of people just wanted to control things and used religion to do it. I just don't want this discussion to end with religion being the bad guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danilus Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 Do all of you really think religion is that bad. You all really think that the world will' date=' and would have been better without religion.[/quote'] I think that without religion we would have anarchy, do I think that religion is bad? absoloutely not. You see I believe that everyone can worship whatever gods/goddeses they choose that way everyone is happy to an extent. In my opinion it is the extremists of certain religions that make said religion look bad towards others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Falling Pizza Posted March 27, 2007 Administrators Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 I think that without religion we would have anarchy, do I think that religion is bad? absoloutely not. You see I believe that everyone can worship whatever gods/goddeses they choose that way everyone is happy to an extent. In my opinion it is the extremists of certain religions that make said religion look bad towards others. Thank You, Danilus. Shaco: Perhaps you understand my opinion better now. Do not accuse me of hating religon. Regardless of how you mis-interpreted my posts, I'm saying it now loud and clear: Religon is not bad. Now, go back and read my previous posts with that in mind. I think you'll finally understand my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaco Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 I think that without religion we would have anarchy' date=' do I think that religion is bad? absoloutely not. You see I believe that everyone can worship whatever gods/goddeses they choose that way everyone is happy to an extent. In my opinion it is the extremists of certain religions that make said religion look bad towards others.[/quote'] Exactly To Pizza: I don't think you completely understood my post. I've been pretty flexible with my opinion on this topic so far. You just aren't giving me any victorys here, I was just saying all I've heard from you are bad things about religion, I would like a little from you, what are some good things about religion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Falling Pizza Posted March 28, 2007 Administrators Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 Religon gives people hope otherwise they wouldn't want to live.....it comforts them when family dies......it makes them less scared of death. It brings peace when used PROPERLY. I haven't denied those things in any of my posts. I didn't think I needed to state, I thought it was obvius. That's why I said YOU were mis-interpreting my posts......as well as Danilus and Frunk agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaco Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 Religon gives people hope otherwise they wouldn't want to live.....it comforts them when family dies......it makes them less scared of death. It brings peace when used PROPERLY. I haven't denied those things in any of my posts. I didn't think I needed to state' date=' I thought it was obvius. That's why I said YOU were mis-interpreting my posts......as well as Danilus and Frunk agreed.[/quote'] I didn't say you denied it. I just needed to hear it... although it didn't sound too convincing I seriously must be insane, I just don't seem to get it. In an attempt for my mind to comprehend this:1. How did I misinterpret your post?2. Why do you think, I think you hate religion? (okay well I kinda get that one)3. Why do you think I care how many people agree with you? (I will stand up for what I think, even if I stand alone :P a quote from something)(also, this isn't a serious question, I'm just being snappy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Falling Pizza Posted March 28, 2007 Administrators Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 I didn't say you should care how many people agree with me. That would be a sign of weakness. although it didn't sound too convincing Wink Eqsquseme but this is the interenet, I can't sound anything...especially with the limited amount of smilies.How did I misinterpret your post? 2. Why do you think, I think you hate religion? (okay well I kinda get that one) There's your answer. If you still don't belive me, I will tell you that 95% of my friends are catholic. The End. You have ended up making me look like some anti-religous extremist......which I am not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yugiohmasta 444 Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 why arent black people ever catholic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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