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[Dark]

The only problem is that it can't switch out while it's recharging. Truant (sp?) turns are still switchable, so you can save your Slaking for later.

[Supreme Duelist]

Hey, I just read this page and since I play pokemon, why not join?

Here's my sign up sheet:

 

Username: ArmedWingX

Nickname: (none)

Pokémon Games You Own: Emerald, Sapphire, Leaf Green, Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, Mystery Dungeon Blue Rescue Team, Mystery Dungeon Explorers Of Time, Pokemon Ranger, Pokemon Ranger Shadows Of Almia, Pokemon XD, Pokemon Coliseum, Pokemon Battle Revolution,

Friend Code: [1977 - 7793 - 6093]

Trainer Name: Thomas

Favorite Pokémon: Swampert and Lucario (I can't pick between them)

 

 

So since i'm done completing the sign up sheet, then why not post my pokemon Platinum team too.

Here's my team and their moves: (Currently they are all level 95)

 

Lucario - Copycat, Aura Sphere, Blaze Kick, Water Pulse

Garchomp - Outrage, Stone Edge, Poison Jab, Surf

Salamence - Dragon Claw, Double-Edge, Flamethrower, Fly

Dragonite - Outrage, Earthquake, Fire Punch, Thunder

Flygon - Dragon Breath, Crunch, Giga Drain, Heat Wave

Tyranitar - Thunderbolt, Rock Slide, Earthquake, Ice Fang

 

An other thing about me is I DO NOT HACK MY POKEMON GAMES. Since I tryed hacking and the result my Pokemon Diamond completely getting erased. (Yes, I have learned my lesson and regret ever trying the action replay and i'm not even taking my chances with other devices.) I'm also more than happy to join the Pokemon Disscusion Corner and happy to battle any of you with my pokemon platium on wifi.

[Pikachu]

I heard this club is now active again. That's great!

 

Would you like to re-affiliate with Club Pikachu?

[Tekken Ham]

The only problem is that it can't switch out while it's recharging. Truant (sp?) turns are still switchable' date=' so you can save your Slaking for later.

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Maybe, but the huge amount of power coming from Giga Impact + CB + STAB + Slaking is win. Although the Return could help against things like Gallade in UU and Lucario in OU that can both SD on the Truant turn and Sweep. Although with Return you could switch out to a counter and save your Slaking, generally I like the huge power from smashing somethings face in.

[Dark]

Hey' date=' I just read this page and since I play pokemon, why not join?

Here's my sign up sheet:

 

Username: ArmedWingX

Nickname: (none)

Pokémon Games You Own: Emerald, Sapphire, Leaf Green, Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, Mystery Dungeon Blue Rescue Team, Mystery Dungeon Explorers Of Time, Pokemon Ranger, Pokemon Ranger Shadows Of Almia, Pokemon XD, Pokemon Coliseum, Pokemon Battle Revolution,

Friend Code: [1977 - 7793 - 6093']

Trainer Name: Thomas

Favorite Pokémon: Swampert and Lucario (I can't pick between them)

 

 

So since i'm done completing the sign up sheet, then why not post my pokemon Platinum team too.

Here's my team and their moves: (Currently they are all level 95)

 

Lucario - Copycat, Aura Sphere, Blaze Kick, Water Pulse

Garchomp - Outrage, Stone Edge, Poison Jab, Surf

Salamence - Dragon Claw, Double-Edge, Flamethrower, Fly

Dragonite - Outrage, Earthquake, Fire Punch, Thunder

Flygon - Dragon Breath, Crunch, Giga Drain, Heat Wave

Tyranitar - Thunderbolt, Rock Slide, Earthquake, Ice Fang

 

An other thing about me is I DO NOT HACK MY POKEMON GAMES. Since I tryed hacking and the result my Pokemon Diamond completely getting erased. (Yes, I have learned my lesson and regret ever trying the action replay and i'm not even taking my chances with other devices.) I'm also more than happy to join the Pokemon Disscusion Corner and happy to battle any of you with my pokemon platium on wifi.

 

I'mma battle you later. Normally, I don't let people use Garchomp in battles, but I'll let it slide this time. I have a secret up my sleeve as well, however. :D

 

The only problem is that it can't switch out while it's recharging. Truant (sp?) turns are still switchable' date=' so you can save your Slaking for later.

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Maybe, but the huge amount of power coming from Giga Impact + CB + STAB + Slaking is win. Although the Return could help against things like Gallade in UU and Lucario in OU that can both SD on the Truant turn and Sweep. Although with Return you could switch out to a counter and save your Slaking, generally I like the huge power from smashing somethings face in.

 

Maybe you could pair up Slaking with a PHazer, scout out their team, make sure nothing can setup, and then use Giga Impact.

[Tekken Ham]

Garchomp is in the third stage of suspect, and the base majority of smogon suspect voters voted for Uber by a small margin. I think it needs like a 66% or so vote to be full OU, otherwise they narrow the field and try again with a smaller pool of people. If it gets at least 51% Ubeber, it is Uber and may stay that way for a while due to recent clauses in the suspect vote. It can be assumed that due to the previous Stage Three Suspect round, 44/41, Garchomp may stay in Ubers, but controversy is abound in the Suspect thread and with a few more trolls, Garchomp may fall down to OU.

[Pikachu]

I heard this club is now active again. That's great!

 

Would you like to re-affiliate with Club Pikachu?

 

*cough cough*

[Dark]

Felix hasn't been here in awhile, Pikachu. And I don't trust myself to fill out the form correctly. D:

 

Garchomp deserves to be Uber. LOOK AT HIS BASE SPEED.

 

Also, I got a TRU Arceus yesterday. I was hoping for Timid with high IVs in SpA and Speed, but after 20 minutes of soft resetting, I settled for this.

 

TRU Arceus @ Mild Nature [+SpA, -DEF] w/ 30 SpA IVs and 30 Spe IVs

 

And since I can clone in, I expect to get a lot of crap for it.

[Felix]

Oops, sorry Pikachu, sure.

[Dark]

Someone tell me how cool my Arceus is! 8)

[Supreme Duelist]

I'm going to get my Arceus, I'm guessing sometime next week. Anyway, Arceus obviously is a uber pokemon due to legendary status. Moves from Dialga, Palkia and Giratina! I'm convincing my self to get my Arceus earlier lol.

[Dark]

I actually convinced my parents to drive me to Toys R Us. o_O

[Felix]

Legendary status doesn't make a Pokemon Uber.

 

Dark: Arceus is a terrible Pokemon and you fail for owning one.

[Dark]

YOU ARE A HORRIBLE PERSON, FELIX.

 

xD

 

Arceus is good... in some aspects. Judgement is an automatic 165 Base Power move with 100% accuracy and 10 PP.

 

Tis epic.

[Felix]

I'm assuming most people are going to rape sheet with it in Zex's tourney.

[Dark]

But Arceus isn't NFE.

 

This is an NFE tourney, right?

 

Also, check General. YCM is getting trolled hard. >.<

[Tekken Ham]

TRUArceus is sheet. UnEVable ftl. I assume your EV spread for Farceus will be: 100 Hp/ 100 SpAtk/ 100 Spe/ 100 Def/ 100 SpDef.

 

Btw, I'll offer up a clone of George Bush, the legit Shaymin of win.

 

GeorgeBush/Shaymin @ Life Orb

Natural Cure

Timid

25/28/28/15/9/31

 

Seed Flare

Hidden Power Ice [45]

Leech Seed

Rest

 

Yeah, shitty SpAtk and SpDef, but what are you going to do? I just couldn't pass up 31 Spe and HP Ice. Sweeper Shaymin set for power and recovery with Natural Cure, soaks up status like a beast and hits retardedly hard even with meh SpAtk.

 

I also have a fully redis Arcanine from Smogon.

Arcanine NN: ウインディ

Iv's: 24/31/31/19/31/31

Ability: Intimidate

Nature: Adamant

Moves: Morning Sun | Flare Blitz | Toxic | ExtremeSpeed

Date: 31/10/2009 (UHUL Halloween)

Location: Godenrod City

ID: Remo | OT: 22403

Avaliable at Lv 48 Untouched

He's Complety FULLY REDIS

Ps:. I Used The Patch he's Original Name is ARCANINE so I put The Japonese Name Okey ;D

 

 

Mine is still UT

 

I can't clone, so you'd have to.

[Felix]

But Arceus isn't NFE.

 

This is an NFE tourney' date=' right?

 

Also, check General. YCM is getting trolled hard. >.<

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If I'm not mistaken, that's a small part of it. There is also a UU, OU and Uber thing as well. That was his original plan, maybe he changed it.

 

@Tekken: Wall/Tanky Arcanine, I want one. What do you want for it? I've pretty much got one of everything so take your pick. OH!! Registeel!!!

[Dark]

I'll pass on those.

 

And with AR, you can EV Level 100 Pokemon. It just takes a shitload of work. First, you have to reduce it's Level to 99. The game still thinks it's 100, so you can't get EXP. You have to use EV hacks to get 252/252/4. Then, you have to Rare Candy it up.

 

BUT WAIT. You can't use a normal Rare Candy, or your game will crash. You have to use a special cheat Rare Candy. D:

[Dark]

I saw Zex's tourney. It looks friggin' amazing. But I have no time to join. D:

[Dark]

I hate bumping this thread every 2 days. :/

 

Has anyone heard of player-hosted events? Pretty much, people go on Pokesav and make their own events for distribution. These events are pretty balanced, but are not legit in terms of tourneys or WiFi battles. I actually have a player-hosted event, and I thought it was real until I did some research.

[Felix]

I had a college trip, it was fun.

 

Never heard the term before but I can see it happening. I'm assuming that a lot of people try to fob it off as real.

 

Topic:

 

The new CAP Pokemon for Shoddy; Colossoil.

 

Concept: The concept of CAP 9 was “Stop the Secondary”, in which the CAP community was given the task to beat a variety of secondary threats in the metagame, including entry hazards, status, Trick, Encore, and Leech Seed to name a few. The two main approaches to this concept were to make an “immune wall”, which would be immune to a variety of the secondary as well as wall the users of it, or a sweeper that would discourage the secondary through punishing the opponent through either damage or benefitting from the secondary. As you can see, Colossoil represents the latter, and could possibly discourage the use of the secondary through its powers and cause metagame shifts that you should all be on the lookout for. Unlike an immune wall that does not punish the secondary as hard as an offensive approach; I have confidence that this CAP will be successful.

 

Typing: Dark/Ground isn’t exactly a typing that would come to mind when stopping the secondary. However, there are main points to consider when addressing typing and relating it to the concept. Is it necessarily the best way to “stop the secondary”? The response to this was to sort priorities out, and to begin by stopping the secondary directly, so to speak. Rather than going straight into fighting against secondary moves, the main typing, Dark, allowed for the community to actually have an advantage against the common users of the secondary, namely Rotom and Celebi. Trick users in particular would have a tough time against Dark STAB, effectively scaring them off. As this was something that could not be accomplished in later polls as opposed to status which could be dealt with relatively easy, I am satisfied with the typing as it complements its abilities nicely. One of the main problems when doing CAP Projects is looking at one part, but neglecting the others. Obviously our process goes one by one, so it may be difficult to view a CAP from a pokemon perspective, but it is necessary to create a successful pokemon, rather than just a bunch of puzzle pieces that do not fit together.

 

Colossoil’s secondary typing, Ground, is a decent compliment to Dark, which was selected as a priority to beat Trick users and other various secondary pokemon. At this stage in the project, people were hoping for Guts, which is a perfectly viable ability for stopping the secondary via an offensive route. I was content that people were actually thinking about the “big picture”, to say the least. Of all the statuses Guts could abuse, Paralysis was hardly one of them. By slowing down Colossoil, Guts would become less useful because it would not have the speed to compensate for its power. In addition, a Ground typing also gave Colossoil a Stealth Rock resistance, which is one of the most common forms of secondary damage. STAB Earthquake alongside STAB Crunch was also one of Ground’s main selling points, and I look forward to testing these two STABs used together.

 

Ability: Auto Magic Coat, suggested by Beej, was a controversial ability because of a few reasons: There was no existing ability that would do such a task, and it might or might not have even been necessary to fulfill the concept. Even if we were to use a regular ability and find out that it was impossible to stop the secondary, we would learn that stopping the secondary is terribly hard and should be taken in a different direction. However, it had tremendous support, more so than Guts. While the ability was definitely interesting, the morals of CAP were brought into question many times. Although Auto-Magic Coat still became the ability, Colossoil still has the ability Guts as a secondary ability, and there is a little more fun to the project with the introduction of a new ability, so we can learn a little more as to what would happen if a nonexistent variable came into play in the OU metagame. Not only is the CAP Project designed to learn more about the metagame around us, but we’re having fun too, right? ^_^

 

For a secondary ability, Guts was a solid choice, as it gave us more of a controlled and regulated CAP that we could actually learn the impact from in OU. While Guts and AMC both deal with status, AMC punishes the opponent with their own medicine, while Guts lets status become beneficial to Colossoil, giving two different types of benefits for the user. Indeed, both strategies fall under the same category of Status, but let’s face the fact that status is definitely one of the most prevalent secondary effects of all time, and exploring it in two different areas would allow for a much more thorough understanding. Oh, and because we didn’t want a messup like Kitsunoh who had Frisk and Limber, the latter which is used wayyyyyyy more, it was either Guts or bust for the secondary poll. No way in hell am I using Sticky Hold when I got something like AMC. It’s either one functional ability or two functional abilities. Sorry, I’m not interested in dual abilities unless they bring something to the table.

 

Looking back in the ability polls, they were definitely the most “secondary stopping” out of the whole process, which I liked. Abilities in my opinion can make or break the pokemon in such a category. And I think, by looking at this from the director’s chair, that we have done a fine job.

 

Stat Spread: Stat Spreads were definitely a pain in the ass, as it seemed like everyone and their mothers submitted stat spreads. Aside from that, there were definitely some gems that I liked during these threads. A somewhat offensive route seemed like a good choice because while emphasizing full force does threaten greater than one that does not, a somewhat offensive approach still can threaten greatly. Taking Metagross, Tyranitar, and Gyarados as examples of hard hitters yet still staying in the somewhat offensive ball park. Being able to take a hit was something many people wanted, and while I do not think that being able to take a hit is everything, I believe that not being able to take a hit is significant. Our stat spread in the end seems like a good mix between not being able to take a hit, and being able to take a hit. Deck Knight describes this spread like Hariyama’s in the sense of defense.

 

Offensively, we decided to go full physical, in order to maximize power and efficiency while still leaving holes in the CAP in the form of Gliscor, Hippowdon, and Skarmory. These holes would eventually be dealt with through various means by Colossoil through moves such as Fire Blast, Taunt, Rapid Spin, and Ice Shard. Needless to say, Colossoil can only run four moves, which tennisace and I have been preaching for the past month or so =). Am I concerned about these threats? No. Am I concerned about Colossoil being broken? Not really. I just want to play, and I hope you know that. ;) Should it become broken, you can jabroni to me all you want, and I’ll take it like a man.

 

In the end, Deck Knight’s prevailed over Admiral Korski’s in a last minute comeback. I must say that Deck Knight sure has a pretty, pretty name…

 

Movepool: Movepools and selecting attacking/non-attacking moves was by far the most challenging. This was challenging in the fact that people were either too reluctant to give Colossoil a move that goes against its concept, or people were too lenient with their choices and didn’t care whatsoever. Regarding the “going against the concepts” arguments, I’ve always gone straight to CAP 7, Kitsunoh, where the biggest example of this has occurred. No offense to Mag whatsoever because he did not have anything to do with this, but I’ll tell you right now what I learned from CAP 7 – what we are making in CAP is not a concept, but a pokemon. A concept does not fight in a battle, but a pokemon does. Likewise, moves included to aid the pokemon in OU are perfectly fine, and the concept simply leads the direction as to how it is played. Is Transform a competitive move to consider when discussing the Ultimate Scout? funking hell no. What about Dig? Suck my balls.

 

Not really.

 

Controversial moves included moves such as Fangs, perhaps being the most discussed and controversial out of all the moves discussed. Should this pokemon be able to hit Forretress, Scizor and Skarm for good damage? What about Gyarados for Thunder Fang, or Ice Fang for Dragons and Gliscor? While many included them and many did not, it turns out that the Fangs from the remaining two sets were excluded not because they were deemed broken, but because they were unnecessary and mainly hype. It is ironic that moves discussed vigorously throughout the process do not even make it to the final poll. It just goes to show that everyone gets a little too nervous and afraid of giving a pokemon a bit of oomph sometimes. I’m sure everybody would freak out, including probably me, if we made Salamence in CAP. Aside from its great attacking prowess, movepool, and ability, it remains OU. In spite of all this, Salamence is still a great pokemon in OU, and is not sitting amongst Ubers at the moment. Sometimes we just need the balls to take risks here, because this is what CAP is here for, because taking risks will allow one to learn.

 

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg102/lfang/cap91-4.png

 

 

Name: Stop the Secondary

Description: A Pokémon that through means of ability' date=' moves, and typing, can stop a variety of the non damaging affect of moves and moves of non damaging origin.

 

Justification: While the immediate threat of damaging moves is large and present, the affect of moves such as status, Trick, Leech Seed, Taunt, Stealth Rock, Spikes have arguably had a greater affect to the metagame than anything has ever had, something that this would greatly look in to.

 

Questions to be Answered:

~ How easily would a Pokémon with such large of a niche be able to fit into a competitive team?

~ How large of an impact would the reducation of non damaging affects and moves have on the metagame?

- What, if any, would happen to the types of teams being used?

- How would this affect the usage of these types of moves?

~ How much of an affect does typing have on the ability for ANY Pokémon to perform this duty?

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Typing: Dark/Ground

Ability: Auto-Magic Coat

Ability: Guts

Stat Spread: 133/122/72/71/72/95

Name: Colossoil

Movepool:

 

 

---Horn Attack

---Leer

---Peck

6 Slam

11 Bite

17 Rapid Spin

22 Magic Coat

29 Pursuit

35 Drill Peck

42 Magnitude

48 Stockpile

48 Swallow

48 Spit Up

48 Moonlight

55 Crunch

63 Megahorn

 

TMs/HMs

TM01 - Focus Punch

TM05 - Roar

TM06 - Toxic

TM10 - Hidden Power

TM11 - Sunny Day

TM12 - Taunt

TM15 - Hyper Beam

TM17 - Protect

TM18 - Rain Dance

TM21 - Frustration

TM23 - Iron Tail

TM26 - Earthquake

TM27 - Return

TM28 - Dig

TM31 - Brick Break

TM32 - Double Team

TM34 - Shock Wave

TM37 - Sandstorm

TM38 - Fire Blast

TM39 - Rock Tomb

TM40 - Aerial Ace

TM42 - Facade

TM43 - Secret Power

TM44 - Rest

TM45 - Attract

TM49 - Snatch

TM54 - False Swipe

TM55 - Brine

TM58 - Endure

TM63 - Embargo

TM65 - Shadow Claw

TM66 - Payback

TM68 - Giga Impact

TM71 - Stone Edge

TM72 - Avalanche

TM74 - Gyro Ball

TM77 - Psych Up

TM78 - Captivate

TM79 - Dark Pulse

TM80 - Rock Slide

TM82 - Sleep Talk

TM83 - Natural Gift

TM87 - Swagger

TM89 - U-turn

TM90 - Substitute

HM03 - Strength

HM05 - Whirlpool

HM06 - Rock Smash

HM08 - Rock Climb

 

Egg Group: Ground / Water 2

 

Ice Shard (Dewgong, Mamoswine, Cloyster, Smeargle)

Rock Blast (Rhyperior, Cloyster, Smeargle)

Sucker Punch (Nidoking, Houndoom, Mightyena, Slaking, Sharpedo, Kecleon, Absol, Raticate, Dugtrio, Shiftry, Skuntank, Purugly, Smeargle)

Fissure (Donphan, Mamoswine, Wailord, Camerupt, Torkoal, Sandslash, Donphan, Rhyperior, Dugtrio, Smeargle)

Selfdestruct (Shiftry, Wailord, Camerupt, Cloyster, Smeargle)

Fake Out (Raichu, Persian, Ambipom, Smeargle, Shiftry, Infernape, Lopunny, Purugly, Weavile)

Muddy Water (Relicanth, Smeargle, Quagsire)

Future Sight (Whiscash, Smeargle, Grumpig, Espeon, Golduck)

Screech (Ambipom, Cloyster, Dugtrio, Persian, Smeargle)

 

Move Tutor

 

Knock Off

Aqua Tail

Ancientpower

Earth Power

Rollout

Superpower

Mean Look

Zen Headbutt

Heal Bell

Encore

Flail

Dive

Perish Song

 

 

 

Auto-Magic Coat name: Rebound

[Dark]

tl;dr, and obvious copy/pasta.

 

Hmm, I expected it to have more SpA.

[Tekken Ham]

Ehh, the Colosoil process was boring. I'm happy about the end sprite as Cartoons! looked blockish, but I really hate the ability. Meh, I guess voting was all I could do.

[Dark]

133/122/72/71/72/95

 

Bulky, medium-speed physical attacker? Now where have I seen that before? :roll: