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[Felix]

If teachers can tell you stuff that is also in a revision book, I'm sure we can manage with Smogon and Serebii being there.

 

I feel the use of .::. is overrated' date=' but nice name change.

 

It's not spam because Felix needs to know so he can update the first page.

 

EDIT: @ Felix: Remember, this is not from Smogon. NO SMOGON INVOLVED.

 

Checks and counters are two different things. Checks are more used in a fast-paced metagame, while counters are used in ADV and whatnot.

 

A check to a Pokemon is something that can either revenge kill or switch in and attack, but also be crippled. A check to Salamence, for example, would be Weavile. It can switch in after something is dead and threaten a KO with Ice Shard. Another check to Salamence would be a ScarfMie with some DEF EVs. It'd be able to survive an Earthquake, be left with little HP, and can subsequently KO with Ice Beam.

 

A counter is a completley different thing. (Assuming Lucario was without Ice Punch.) A counter is something that can switch in to a Pokemon, take relatively no damage, and proceed to KO or threaten the Pokemon. Gliscor is a counter to Lucario. Close Combat, ESpeed nor Crunch will do enough damage to 2HKO at +0 or +2. Gliscor is also faster, and can KO Lucario with Earthquake or scare it away.

 

I think I got the gist of it. Also, checks can check more than one Pokemon. ScarfMie can check Salamence, Dragonite and (before it was Uber) Garchomp. Counters can only check ONE Pokemon well. Also, you need more than 1 check to a really overused Pokemon like Salamence and Scizor.

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I'm impressed.

[Dark]

I look like I'd be a good battler on paper, but in reality I'm not that good. :/

 

I know everything I need to, but I can't bring it all together in a battle.

 

I keep forgetting there are no time limits on WiFi battles.

[J123]

I know how I can add a Sp attacker to my team! xD

All I need to do is remove either my Sp.Defender or my Defender for something with high D or Sp.D and a good base sp.a xD

Any suggestions?

[Dark]

God, you are really putting some work on me. xD

 

A bulky DEF or SpD Special Attacker. Have you tried CM Latias with Recover and 2 Attacks?

[Felix]

What happend to your Zapdos?

 

Just scrap a guy and add a Special Sweeper.

[J123]

But how do I get legendary's with good IV's?

[Dark]

Either Serebii, or get a Sapphire/Emerald and Soft Reset like hell.

[Felix]

Asking me for a copy of mine might work.

[J123]

You has a copy!!! xD

I will do WHATEVER you want!/Need! xD

[Felix]

Even sexual gratification?

 

IVs aren't THAT big of a deal unless you're talking about Speed ties, your Zapdos was sufficiently hard to kill as it was. My Celebi has one IV at 30 the rest only scrape the 20 mark if not below it.

[J123]

Hmm, I'll have to think on that one.

[Dark]

Even sexual gratification?

 

o_O

 

IVs aren't that big of a deal unless you're talking about Speed ties' date=' your Zapdos was sufficiently hard to kill as it was

 

[b']Meh, I think he was talking about the Latias, not the Zappy.[/b]

[J123]

^Ya xD

BTW what's better CM latias with possibly light clay and reflect, or support cresselia?

[Felix]

Depends on what you want it for.

[Dark]

Depends on what you want it for.

 

This.

 

Cresselia can wall better on both sides, but Latias has access to better attacking moves, better SpA, Recover and a better typing.

 

In the end, however, if you are going for a flat-out wall, Cress is your choice.

[J123]

Neither of them appeal to me now, once I took a further look at their movesets. I want something with good base def and OK base sp.D that can learn calm mind and has decent sp.A

But, but what?

[Felix]

With 6 Calm Minds Cress will sweep teams that don't have a Blissey in them relatively easily.

[J123]

But moonlights PP is 5 :(

[Felix]

If you're going to be so picky, hack the game and make your own Pokemon from scratch.

[J123]

Meh, screw it, I think I'm gonna get a Bold defensive latias with reflect

EDIT: Are they obtainable in Plat/Diamond? Otherwise I'm screwed

EDIT: Screw it, if it can't get IV bred.

EDIT: Screw it I'm screwed :S

[Dark]

Neither of them appeal to me now' date=' once I took a further look at their movesets. I want something with good base def and OK base sp.D that can learn calm mind and has decent sp.A

But, but what?

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Latias has a superb moveset, and Cresselia has decent support options with Ice Beam.

 

With 6 Calm Minds Cress will sweep teams that don't have a Blissey in them relatively easily.

 

Even a +6 Ice Beam/Psychic won't OHKO things. Cress isn't a sweeper.

 

But moonlights PP is 5 :(

 

8 after PP max.

[Felix]

With 6 Calm Minds Cress will sweep teams that don't have a Blissey in them relatively easily.

 

Even a +6 Ice Beam/Psychic won't OHKO things. Cress isn't a sweeper.

 

 

I don't mean OHKOs, it'd just be pretty impossible to kill, is what I'm saying.

[codypops]

I did something really bad Dx

When My arceus hit LV100, he had only HM moves. Guess what he couldn't learn? DxDxDx

[Felix]

Get rid of them with the move deleter guy and use the move relearner if you desperately want to use a below average arceus.

[Tomiix]

Where is the move deleter/relerner guy?