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I have a CB Dugtrio (I'll use it Stall because of how smexy it is in there) and some crappy DDnite I made about a year ago. There are probably a few I couldn't be botehrd with r forgot but most are there in my box.

 

I made a funky 3v3 team for the Battle Tower.

 

CurseTTar

SDScizor

SpecsLatias

 

I'll give a detailed rundown later today.

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Not to mention if you were going to try and be offensively minded you'd have to screw up your Defensive EVs making you easy pickings for anything with any power behind it.

 

Lagging Tail doesn't work the way you think it does either. It makes the Pokemon move last regardless of Spe so the Pokemons Spe doesn't change.

 

@Dark: because he can spin, resist Rocks, set up Rocks, phaze, hit hard, get hit hard and kill Dragons.

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^You're right there.

 

I think he was meaning to say Iron Ball' date=' maybe?

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But not here. It's an easy mistake for him to make so I think he made it.

 

Anyway, Donphan, go. I'm interested as to why you think it's out of date.

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Starmie does it better, and TBH, I've been seeing a lot of Scarfed Starmie with Rapid Spin (I thought that was MY idea) and Surf and Ice Beam and TBolt/Grass Knot. Donphan doesn't really have much over Starmie, since it can't get past Dusknoir anyways.

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Welcome to the club.

 

I think the priority move, STAB EQ and Roar keep it fresh though. Starmie and Donphan are almost opposites so they pretty much do different jobs. What you've got up there^ is a revenge killer that can spin while Donphan performs a Supporting Wall that could phaze, kill Dragons and spin. It also makes a mean CBander. And in fairness if Dusknoir has Pain Split and Shadow Sneak, Starmie isn't looking so hot either.

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Other than the Rapid Spinning job, Donphan is outclassed by Starmie, who can also kill Dragons that are Scarfed or +1 thru DDance. A better Physical Wall + PHazer is Skarmory, as it can set up as well as PHaze, and has better typing.

 

Nothing can really get past Dusknoir albeit some strong Ghost and Dark moves, like a +2 Lucario Crunch, and even that might not OHKO.

 

TBH, Donphan would be happier in UU as it has more of a purpose there because of Toxic Spikes and Poison-types who hate EQ. Which reminds me, Starmie has Natural Cure.

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Smogon Battle Server Detailed Statistics

 

July 2009 - Standard Ladder (OU)

 

Total Battles Conducted: 409761

 

Pokemon | Category | Value | Percent

 

Donphan | Usage | 21279 | 2.6

Donphan | Move | Rapid Spin | 87.4

 

Starmie | Usage | 92642 | 11.3

Starmie | Move | Rapid Spin | 52.1

 

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Donphan:

 

21279 out of 409761 battles.

w/ Rapid Spin:

21279 x .874 = 18597.8

18598 out of 409761 battles.

0.04538...

 

4.5% of teams had Donphan with Rapid Spin.

 

Starmie:

 

92642 out of 409761 battles.

w/ Rapid Spin:

92642 x .521 = 48266.4

48266 out of 409761 battles.

0.11779...

 

11.7% of teams had Starmie with Rapid Spin.

 

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Conclusion:

 

Starmie with Rapid Spin was used more than twice as many times as Donphan with Rapid Spin.

 

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Should Donphan be OU?

 

It was used in 2.6% of battles.

 

26 / 1000

 

13 / 500 is simplified.

 

To be OU, a Pokemon needs to be used on AT LEAST 1 out of 20 teams. I can't really do anything further as this is ladder statistics, not team statistics.

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Why isn't Donphan UU yet?

 

According to Smogon' date=' it is UU.

 

Nothing can really get past Dusknoir albeit some strong Ghost and Dark moves, like a +2 Lucario Crunch, and even that might not OHKO.

 

Speaking of Lucario, I found Weezing counters the SD version incredibly well. It resists Close Combat and nothing else it carries does much damage. A Burn effectively cripples it and has Flamethrower / Fire Blast to kill it off with.

 

Speaking of Weezing, I wonder why it is UU. It has enough going for it to be useful in Standard. Base 120 Physical Defense, passable Attack and Special Attack so it can do something back to its opponents, only 1 Type weakness and the ideal movepool for a Physical Wall.

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It's probably outclassed by that damn Cresselia.

 

Also, I totally missed that move to UU. Case closed, Felix.

 

Would Crunch do 60%+ to Weezing? If so, it's not that good a counter.

 

Also, it only gets stab on Poison, and that's... kinda crappy.

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F'ck it.

 

@Judge: The change from ADV to DP wasn't very kind to Weezing. He got no real improvements, and with the exception of Explosion, he no longer has any moves to use with his decent physical Attack. The fact that Salamence, Gyarados, Medicham and Heracross all got moves to hit him harder with doesn't help either. In spite of those drawbacks, Weezing is still good at what he does, but it's hard to shrug off these problems.

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It's probably outclassed by that damn Cresselia.

 

Cresselia I don't think would enjoy Crunch that much.

 

Would Crunch do 60%+ to Weezing? If so' date=' it's not that good a counter.

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A +2 Crunch can't even do 50% unless it gets a Crit. After its Burnt, it can't do crap. The EVs are all HP and Defense with the leftovers in Special Attack.

 

Also' date=' it only gets stab on Poison, and that's... kinda crappy.

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Fair argument but it is typed well defensively IMO. I just use Flamethrower and Thunderbolt as its main attacks. Fire Blast can be used in Flamethrower's place but the drop in accuracy can be an inconvenience at times.

 

How does Heracross hit him harder?

 

This generation' date=' he got Close Combat and Stone Edge. Guts can be triggered but he can't do much to Weezing outside of that. Weezing can also use its Fire moves to get rid of it.

 

F'ck it.

 

@Judge: The change from ADV to DP wasn't very kind to Weezing. He got no real improvements, and with the exception of Explosion, he no longer has any moves to use with his decent physical Attack. The fact that Salamence, Gyarados, Medicham and Heracross all got moves to hit him harder with doesn't help either. In spite of those drawbacks, Weezing is still good at what he does, but it's hard to shrug off these problems.

 

His Special Attack isn't too bad. Also, apart from Heracross, none of those mentioned Pokemon will enjoy being burnt. And way to copy off of Smogon.

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Plagiarism =3

 

@Dark: Smogon said, don't shoot the messenger, maybe its more powerful moves and a CB? You shouldn't be negating all these decent Pokemon though.

 

Topic: Favourite Lead? I always find it hard to pick one and I hardly ever run a team with SRocks in it, I know I should but there's so much other stuff I could be doing at the time.

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