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That was QUICK.

 

New topic: can a Breloom be a good revenge killer for an Uber Darkrai? And does it have other use in the Uber tier?

 

I was thinking Seed Bomb for Kyogre and Groudon, but not much after that.

 

FPunch (not Falcon, Focus) for Blisseh.

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At 50% accuracy, that's not a good idea. Plus Ubers is infested with Psychics. Sad face. =[

 

Bulk Up wouldn't do too good because most attackers are special and the physical ones are too tough for Breloom to handle.

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Well first you have to learn' date=' watch some WiFi vids (youtube) to get an idea of competitive play. Marriland is good when you're starting, then move on to someone like mtgxerxes. Here's a good website for it, smogon

Oh, because I just beat the game and now I am bored. How do you do anything after beating the game? -.-

 

Kick someones @$$ on a wifi battle. Its the only way it keeps me from getting bored.

Oh, I can't kick people's whuss on WiFi except when they suck as bad as I do.
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Well first you have to learn' date=' watch some WiFi vids (youtube) to get an idea of competitive play. Marriland is good when you're starting, then move on to someone like mtgxerxes. Here's a good website for it, smogon

Oh, because I just beat the game and now I am bored. How do you do anything after beating the game? -.-

 

Kick someones @$$ on a wifi battle. Its the only way it keeps me from getting bored.

Oh, I can't kick people's whuss on WiFi except when they suck as bad as I do.

 

Pokemon like Blissy Work good in wifi battles. As for me im facing dark tommrow with 6 Pikachu's and hes got a Latias and a Ground Pokemon. If u have any problems with wifi battles. PM me or DaRK hes good at wifi battles.

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That was QUICK.

 

New topic: can a Breloom be a good revenge killer for an Uber Darkrai? And does it have other use in the Uber tier?

 

I was thinking Seed Bomb for Kyogre and Groudon' date=' but not much after that.

 

FPunch (not Falcon, Focus) for Blisseh.

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Seed Bomb would be able to OHKO Kyogre because of its weaker Defense stat. Not sure about Groudon though considering how high its Defense is. Groudon would be able to OHKO back with Overheat.

 

Breloom probably could effectively be used to revenge kill a weakened Darkrai. Choice Band + STAB Mach Punch. Priority ignores Darkrai's higher Speed and base 90 Defense won't be saving it if it's weakened. And all Blisseys hate Focus Punch. Even without STAB or a boost it is powerful.

 

Another funny note. Shedinja completely walls Kyogre unless it carries a Hidden Power that can take it out.

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Another funny note. Shedinja completely walls Kyogre unless it carries a Hidden Power that can take it out.

 

Shedinja is a pretty good pokemon in Ubers' date=' speaking generally. It makes an excellent safety switch-in if your opponent sends out something to counter your previous poke. (and since it either forces switches or gets attacked with a weakness, it provides excellent switch-in fodder for you).

 

The presence of SR in Ubers is minimal compared to its presence in OU and UU, with Groudon and Kyogre running rampant, dangerous weather is pretty uncommon too (usually, only Tyranitar presents this problem, although it's often shyed away from in favor of a more general Uber build).

 

What I have personally found most useful, though, is that Shedinja is an [i']excellent[/i] counter to Kyogre, Mewtwo, Darkrai, Latios, Jirachi (to a lesser extent), Manaphy (to a lesser extent), most Palkia, and most Lugia.

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That was QUICK.

 

New topic: can a Breloom be a good revenge killer for an Uber Darkrai? And does it have other use in the Uber tier?

 

I was thinking Seed Bomb for Kyogre and Groudon' date=' but not much after that.

 

FPunch (not Falcon, Focus) for Blisseh.

[/quote']

 

Seed Bomb would be able to OHKO Kyogre because of its weaker Defense stat. Not sure about Groudon though considering how high its Defense is. Groudon would be able to OHKO back with Overheat.

 

Breloom probably could effectively be used to revenge kill a weakened Darkrai. Choice Band + STAB Mach Punch. Priority ignores Darkrai's higher Speed and base 90 Defense won't be saving it if it's weakened. And all Blisseys hate Focus Punch. Even without STAB or a boost it is powerful.

 

Another funny note. Shedinja completely walls Kyogre unless it carries a Hidden Power that can take it out.

 

Yeah, but I doubt any Kyogre user would keep their Ogre in on a STAB (CB) 130 Base ATK SE 80 BP move. It would obviously KO. =D

 

Groudon would probably be a 2-3HKO, I'll have to run a damage calc with CB and without CB.

 

Again, no one would leave a Darkrai in on something that has a priority move, even Scizor. Since Darkrai is NVE to Pursuit, it can switch out with ease. It's defenses are crap, but still. Blissey probably won't see a FPunch coming, considering it would be next-to-stupid to use a Fighting move in a Psychic infested tier, and Blissey would probably Wish / SToss hoping for a Mach Punch.

 

Actually, Kyogre, nowadays, often has Toxic to combat the rise in Shedinja usage in Ubers. Not all Kyogre have Toxic, but Shedinja is always a great INITIAL switch in to Kyogre. But, with or without Focus Sash, Toxic will kill in one turn. There should be a move that let's you look at the moveset of a Pokemon. 5PP, and exclusive to like 3 or 4 Pokes.

 

Another funny note. Shedinja completely walls Kyogre unless it carries a Hidden Power that can take it out.

 

Shedinja is a pretty good pokemon in Ubers' date=' speaking generally. It makes an excellent safety switch-in if your opponent sends out something to counter your previous poke. (and since it either forces switches or gets attacked with a weakness, it provides excellent switch-in fodder for you).

 

The presence of SR in Ubers is minimal compared to its presence in OU and UU, with Groudon and Kyogre running rampant, dangerous weather is pretty uncommon too (usually, only Tyranitar presents this problem, although it's often shyed away from in favor of a more general Uber build).

 

What I have personally found most useful, though, is that Shedinja is an [i']excellent[/i] counter to Kyogre, Mewtwo, Darkrai, Latios, Jirachi (to a lesser extent), Manaphy (to a lesser extent), most Palkia, and most Lugia.

 

Shedinja usage has been rising in Ubers, not not substantially. You always have to look at the worst case scenario: hidden powers, possible status, random se move. Bringing Shedinja to Ubers is almost a liability, since there are almost no "good" Rapid Spinners thanks to Giratina.

 

There is some SR in Ubers, Deoxys-S, Groudon and I think one more. And because few leads carry Taunt (Darkrai does, for screwing up Sleep Talkers), SR is easy to get up. And there are few viable Rapid Spinners cuz of Giratina. The only reason Shedinja CAN be used in Ubers is because of Groudon and Kyogre. OU is infested with Sandstorm, Hail and SR. UU is infested with Spikes, TSpikes and status, NU is... I'm not sure.

 

Shedinja counters...

 

Kyogre: Yes

Mewtwo: Not Really (Some sets have Shadow Ball, and defensive sets have status.)

Darkrai: What are you smoking? SE Dark Pulse, Dark Void + Bad Dreams to break it's Sash for a OHKO, it's faster, and the fact that a Swords Danced Shadow Sneak will do barely anything. NO.

Latios: Yes

Jirachi: No, Uberachi has Toxic.

Manaphy: Yes

Palkia: Yes

Lugia: I'm gonna say Yes to this one. As far as I know, Ice Beam is neutral on Bug/Ghost, so Lugia has no SE moves on Sheddy.

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Lugia Can learn Shadow Ball in a TM. If its Shedinja vs Lugia. It depends on speed and attack and lugia's defense. Or unless your battling a noob or a CPU trainer. Only if you can trade Shadow Lugia from Pokemon XD then no matter wat it will KO Shedinja.

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I cant belive it took me 2 months to find this out. Giving Spiritomb a weakness. What you need to do to give it one:

 

1. Get a pokemon that knows Forsight.

2. Use it on Spiritomb.

3. Hit Spiritomb with a good fighting type attack.

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He might mean WonderTomb, Felix.

 

Felix' date=' I beat Flame Dragon twice.

 

First game was a tough 2-0 victory.

 

Second game he fled at 6-4 (or 5-4, maybe) because Kingdra is a jackass.

 

DARK VS. FELIX

 

DUM DUM DUM.

 

I really thought I would lose both games after I saw his Bronzong. I am pure Bronzong weak.

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Flame Dragon was playing with his crappy team on WiFi compared to his better team on Shoddy' date=' so you can make the final verdict who will move on. I don't think I'll get my computer running anytime this week, however.

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Nah, he means the normal one.

 

@ Felix

 

Flame Dragon was playing with his crappy team on WiFi compared to his better team on Shoddy' date=' so you can make the final verdict who will move on. I don't think I'll get my computer running anytime this week, however.

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sheet:?... I didn't expect that:/ What team did he use?

 

 

New topic: can a Breloom be a good revenge killer for an Uber Darkrai? And does it have other use in the Uber tier?

 

I was thinking Seed Bomb for Kyogre and Groudon' date=' but not much after that.

 

FPunch (not Falcon, Focus) for Blisseh.

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A 100% Sleep Move is always useful.

 

Shedinja counters...

 

Lugia: I'm gonna say Yes to this one. As far as I know' date=' Ice Beam is neutral on Bug/Ghost, so Lugia has no SE moves on Sheddy.

 

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I can see some people using Aeroblast.

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If it was his old team then yeah it sucks quite a bit of b@lls but if it's his newest IRL team then I thought it was quite good. I've never battled the the thing but it looked quite nice (I saw it in a trade); was there a Flygon there:?

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