Darklord Zerato

[Phantom Roxas]

DARK

Level 8

Turns any DARK monster into Raigeki

Swings for 2800+ damage

Gives DAD more ammo.

[Flame Dragon]

On the Neo Daedalus topic' date=' it comes down to if a card that can nuke everything but itself should be allowed to remain in the game, and the answer is no since that is all it can do and the game losses nothing from that loss.

[/quote']

 

Ban Spirit Message - "L".

Banning L serves no good. Here you are banning a card that exists for the sole reason of performing a total nuke, but spares itself.

 

What summon condition? The fact that you need to tribute something or use a card to special summon it? That isn't that hard of a summon condition to fulfill. The self-mutilation only comes into play when you use his effect' date=' and, odds are, you won't use his effect unless you can win right then and their, so the self-mutilation will rarely come into play.[/i']

 

It is a hard condition to fulfill; look at The Creator, for instance. No one would deny that if it is a LV4 monster, it would be banworthy due to its accessibility and its relative ease of summonin'. But I hear no one hankerin' for The Creator's ban, right? It is because the otherwise banworthy effect it has (generic revival) is balanced by its bein' an insufferable LV8.

 

I make the same case for Darklord Zerato for precisely that reason, as I stated: that its summonin' condition, while ridiculously easy on paper, is less so on reality.

The difference between Creator and Zerato is the most basic one, their effects.

 

The generic revival Creator gives is balanced out by the fact that 90% of the time you will need two tribute to get him out and when you do get him out your opponent won't loss with in the next 2, 3 turns. Their is also the fact that his 2300 ATK lets most level 6 monsters run over him should he be in attack mode.

 

Zerato on the other hand makes any dark raigeki so even if you use two tributes you get a very nice 2800 ATK beatstick that can allow for you to win the game when you have all the pieces in place. Then their is Zerato's first effect which lets you summon him as if he was only a level 6 monster, and in most cases this would be how your opponent would summon him.

[evilhorus]

Card is Banworthy. End of Discussion.

[CrabHelmet]

On the Neo Daedalus topic' date=' it comes down to if a card that can nuke everything but itself should be allowed to remain in the game, and the answer is no since that is all it can do and the game losses nothing from that loss.

[/quote']

 

Ban Spirit Message - "L".

Banning L serves no good. Here you are banning a card that exists for the sole reason of performing a total nuke, but spares itself.

 

The Destiny Board series serves no real purpose other than to instantly win the game. I think we can all agree that instantly winning the game is a stronger effect than nuking the field.

 

(I chose L over Destiny Board itself because Destiny Board sans L can still give fodder to Hamon/Magna-Slash/Gravi-Crush/Kreis/whatever.)

[evilhorus]

On the Neo Daedalus topic' date=' it comes down to if a card that can nuke everything but itself should be allowed to remain in the game, and the answer is no since that is all it can do and the game losses nothing from that loss.

[/quote']

 

Ban Spirit Message - "L".

Banning L serves no good. Here you are banning a card that exists for the sole reason of performing a total nuke, but spares itself.

 

The Destiny Board series serves no real purpose other than to instantly win the game. I think we can all agree that instantly winning the game is a stronger effect than nuking the field.

 

(I chose L over Destiny Board itself because Destiny Board sans L can still give fodder to Hamon/Magna-Slash/Gravi-Crush/Kreis/whatever.)

 

really now?

[CrabHelmet]

On the Neo Daedalus topic' date=' it comes down to if a card that can nuke everything but itself should be allowed to remain in the game, and the answer is no since that is all it can do and the game losses nothing from that loss.

[/quote']

 

Ban Spirit Message - "L".

Banning L serves no good. Here you are banning a card that exists for the sole reason of performing a total nuke, but spares itself.

 

The Destiny Board series serves no real purpose other than to instantly win the game. I think we can all agree that instantly winning the game is a stronger effect than nuking the field.

 

(I chose L over Destiny Board itself because Destiny Board sans L can still give fodder to Hamon/Magna-Slash/Gravi-Crush/Kreis/whatever.)

 

really now?

 

If you don't know how to read, don't use message boards.

[Toffee.]

I origionaly WAS going to just post this:

DARK

Level 8

Turns any DARK monster into Raigeki

Swings for 2800+ damage

Gives DAD more ammo.

 

But appearently I have to add this:

@Danny: Destiny Board thins your deck, at the same time it adds a Continuous Spell card to your spell and trap card zone.

 

inb4itfeedsHamonbecauseappearentlyhelikeanallyoucaneatbuffet

[Flame Dragon]

On the Neo Daedalus topic' date=' it comes down to if a card that can nuke everything but itself should be allowed to remain in the game, and the answer is no since that is all it can do and the game losses nothing from that loss.

[/quote']

 

Ban Spirit Message - "L".

Banning L serves no good. Here you are banning a card that exists for the sole reason of performing a total nuke, but spares itself.

 

The Destiny Board series serves no real purpose other than to instantly win the game. I think we can all agree that instantly winning the game is a stronger effect than nuking the field.

 

(I chose L over Destiny Board itself because Destiny Board sans L can still give fodder to Hamon/Magna-Slash/Gravi-Crush/Kreis/whatever.)

The chances of some one getting off a win via Destiny Board odd about the same as winning the lotto. The total nuke, while being relatively hard to do, isn't that much of a problem in a deck made to take advantage of it. Should the effect be used the opponent has next to no chance of winning.

 

Also, just to make sure we're on the same page, I'm talking about Neo Daedalus, not Daedalus.

[CrabHelmet]

On the Neo Daedalus topic' date=' it comes down to if a card that can nuke everything but itself should be allowed to remain in the game, and the answer is no since that is all it can do and the game losses nothing from that loss.

[/quote']

 

Ban Spirit Message - "L".

Banning L serves no good. Here you are banning a card that exists for the sole reason of performing a total nuke, but spares itself.

 

The Destiny Board series serves no real purpose other than to instantly win the game. I think we can all agree that instantly winning the game is a stronger effect than nuking the field.

 

(I chose L over Destiny Board itself because Destiny Board sans L can still give fodder to Hamon/Magna-Slash/Gravi-Crush/Kreis/whatever.)

The chances of some one getting off a win via Destiny Board odd about the same as winning the lotto. The total nuke, while being relatively hard to do, isn't that much of a problem in a deck made to take advantage of it. Should the effect be used the opponent has next to no chance of winning.

 

Also, just to make sure we're on the same page, I'm talking about Neo Daedalus, not Daedalus.

 

Let me remind you of your original argument:

 

On the Neo Daedalus topic' date=' it comes down to if a card that can nuke everything but itself should be allowed to remain in the game, and the answer is no since that is all it can do and the game losses nothing from that loss.

[/quote']

 

Your claim was that a total nuke effect is fundamentally unacceptable in any form. I pointed out that instant win effects are generally not considered fundamentally unacceptable, and therefore nothing short of a match win should be fundamentally unacceptable. (Incidentally, match wins are fundamentally unacceptable.)

[Flame Dragon]

On the Neo Daedalus topic' date=' it comes down to if a card that can nuke everything but itself should be allowed to remain in the game, and the answer is no since that is all it can do and the game losses nothing from that loss.

[/quote']

 

Ban Spirit Message - "L".

Banning L serves no good. Here you are banning a card that exists for the sole reason of performing a total nuke, but spares itself.

 

The Destiny Board series serves no real purpose other than to instantly win the game. I think we can all agree that instantly winning the game is a stronger effect than nuking the field.

 

(I chose L over Destiny Board itself because Destiny Board sans L can still give fodder to Hamon/Magna-Slash/Gravi-Crush/Kreis/whatever.)

The chances of some one getting off a win via Destiny Board odd about the same as winning the lotto. The total nuke, while being relatively hard to do, isn't that much of a problem in a deck made to take advantage of it. Should the effect be used the opponent has next to no chance of winning.

 

Also, just to make sure we're on the same page, I'm talking about Neo Daedalus, not Daedalus.

 

Let me remind you of your original argument:

 

On the Neo Daedalus topic' date=' it comes down to if a card that can nuke everything but itself should be allowed to remain in the game, and the answer is no since that is all it can do and the game losses nothing from that loss.

[/quote']

 

Your claim was that a total nuke effect is fundamentally unacceptable in any form. I pointed out that instant win effects are generally not considered fundamentally unacceptable, and therefore nothing short of a match win should be fundamentally unacceptable. (Incidentally, match wins are fundamentally unacceptable.)

While win game effect are better then any form of nuke effect, the fact that the only 3 game win conditions are either really hard to win with (Finak Countdown/Destiny Board) or should be banned (Exodia). The total nuke effect, while not being as powerful as a game win effect, are far easier to use and so unacceptable.

[Guest PikaPerson01]

The difference between Creator and Zerato is the most basic one' date=' their effects.

 

The generic revival Creator gives is balanced out by the fact that 90% of the time you will need two tribute to get him out and when you do get him out your opponent won't loss with in the next 2, 3 turns. Their is also the fact that his 2300 ATK lets most level 6 monsters run over him should he be in attack mode.

 

Zerato on the other hand makes any dark raigeki so even if you use two tributes you get a very nice 2800 ATK beatstick that can allow for you to win the game when you have all the pieces in place. Then their is Zerato's first effect which lets you summon him as if he was only a level 6 monster, and in most cases this would be how your opponent would summon him.

[/quote']

 

Congratulations! You can read a card's effect!

[CrabHelmet]

On the Neo Daedalus topic' date=' it comes down to if a card that can nuke everything but itself should be allowed to remain in the game, and the answer is no since that is all it can do and the game losses nothing from that loss.

[/quote']

 

Ban Spirit Message - "L".

Banning L serves no good. Here you are banning a card that exists for the sole reason of performing a total nuke, but spares itself.

 

The Destiny Board series serves no real purpose other than to instantly win the game. I think we can all agree that instantly winning the game is a stronger effect than nuking the field.

 

(I chose L over Destiny Board itself because Destiny Board sans L can still give fodder to Hamon/Magna-Slash/Gravi-Crush/Kreis/whatever.)

The chances of some one getting off a win via Destiny Board odd about the same as winning the lotto. The total nuke, while being relatively hard to do, isn't that much of a problem in a deck made to take advantage of it. Should the effect be used the opponent has next to no chance of winning.

 

Also, just to make sure we're on the same page, I'm talking about Neo Daedalus, not Daedalus.

 

Let me remind you of your original argument:

 

On the Neo Daedalus topic' date=' it comes down to if a card that can nuke everything but itself should be allowed to remain in the game, and the answer is no since that is all it can do and the game losses nothing from that loss.

[/quote']

 

Your claim was that a total nuke effect is fundamentally unacceptable in any form. I pointed out that instant win effects are generally not considered fundamentally unacceptable, and therefore nothing short of a match win should be fundamentally unacceptable. (Incidentally, match wins are fundamentally unacceptable.)

While win game effect are better then any form of nuke effect, the fact that the only 3 game win conditions are either really hard to win with (Finak Countdown/Destiny Board) or should be banned (Exodia). The total nuke effect, while not being as powerful as a game win effect, are far easier to use and so unacceptable.

 

There are six instant win effects in the game, not three.

 

My point was simply that no effect in existence is fundamentally unacceptable, with the solitary exception of match winners.

[Flame Dragon]

On the Neo Daedalus topic' date=' it comes down to if a card that can nuke everything but itself should be allowed to remain in the game, and the answer is no since that is all it can do and the game losses nothing from that loss.

[/quote']

 

Ban Spirit Message - "L".

Banning L serves no good. Here you are banning a card that exists for the sole reason of performing a total nuke, but spares itself.

 

The Destiny Board series serves no real purpose other than to instantly win the game. I think we can all agree that instantly winning the game is a stronger effect than nuking the field.

 

(I chose L over Destiny Board itself because Destiny Board sans L can still give fodder to Hamon/Magna-Slash/Gravi-Crush/Kreis/whatever.)

The chances of some one getting off a win via Destiny Board odd about the same as winning the lotto. The total nuke, while being relatively hard to do, isn't that much of a problem in a deck made to take advantage of it. Should the effect be used the opponent has next to no chance of winning.

 

Also, just to make sure we're on the same page, I'm talking about Neo Daedalus, not Daedalus.

 

Let me remind you of your original argument:

 

On the Neo Daedalus topic' date=' it comes down to if a card that can nuke everything but itself should be allowed to remain in the game, and the answer is no since that is all it can do and the game losses nothing from that loss.

[/quote']

 

Your claim was that a total nuke effect is fundamentally unacceptable in any form. I pointed out that instant win effects are generally not considered fundamentally unacceptable, and therefore nothing short of a match win should be fundamentally unacceptable. (Incidentally, match wins are fundamentally unacceptable.)

While win game effect are better then any form of nuke effect, the fact that the only 3 game win conditions are either really hard to win with (Finak Countdown/Destiny Board) or should be banned (Exodia). The total nuke effect, while not being as powerful as a game win effect, are far easier to use and so unacceptable.

 

There are six instant win effects in the game, not three.

 

My point was simply that no effect in existence is fundamentally unacceptable, with the solitary exception of match winners.

What are the other 3?

Never mind. Just checked.

 

Point taken.

[Mr. Judgment Dragon]

On the Neo Daedalus topic' date=' it comes down to if a card that can nuke everything but itself should be allowed to remain in the game, and the answer is no since that is all it can do and the game losses nothing from that loss.

[/quote']

 

Ban Spirit Message - "L".

Banning L serves no good. Here you are banning a card that exists for the sole reason of performing a total nuke, but spares itself.

 

The Destiny Board series serves no real purpose other than to instantly win the game. I think we can all agree that instantly winning the game is a stronger effect than nuking the field.

 

(I chose L over Destiny Board itself because Destiny Board sans L can still give fodder to Hamon/Magna-Slash/Gravi-Crush/Kreis/whatever.)

The chances of some one getting off a win via Destiny Board odd about the same as winning the lotto. The total nuke, while being relatively hard to do, isn't that much of a problem in a deck made to take advantage of it. Should the effect be used the opponent has next to no chance of winning.

 

Also, just to make sure we're on the same page, I'm talking about Neo Daedalus, not Daedalus.

 

Let me remind you of your original argument:

 

On the Neo Daedalus topic' date=' it comes down to if a card that can nuke everything but itself should be allowed to remain in the game, and the answer is no since that is all it can do and the game losses nothing from that loss.

[/quote']

 

Your claim was that a total nuke effect is fundamentally unacceptable in any form. I pointed out that instant win effects are generally not considered fundamentally unacceptable, and therefore nothing short of a match win should be fundamentally unacceptable. (Incidentally, match wins are fundamentally unacceptable.)

While win game effect are better then any form of nuke effect, the fact that the only 3 game win conditions are either really hard to win with (Finak Countdown/Destiny Board) or should be banned (Exodia). The total nuke effect, while not being as powerful as a game win effect, are far easier to use and so unacceptable.

 

There are six instant win effects in the game, not three.

 

My point was simply that no effect in existence is fundamentally unacceptable, with the solitary exception of match winners.

What are the other 3?

 

Point taken.

 

Vennominaga is one of them but that has it's flaws which keep it off the list.

 

There's also Last Turn and Victory Dragon. I think that's all of them.

[Flame Dragon]

On the Neo Daedalus topic' date=' it comes down to if a card that can nuke everything but itself should be allowed to remain in the game, and the answer is no since that is all it can do and the game losses nothing from that loss.

[/quote']

 

Ban Spirit Message - "L".

Banning L serves no good. Here you are banning a card that exists for the sole reason of performing a total nuke, but spares itself.

 

The Destiny Board series serves no real purpose other than to instantly win the game. I think we can all agree that instantly winning the game is a stronger effect than nuking the field.

 

(I chose L over Destiny Board itself because Destiny Board sans L can still give fodder to Hamon/Magna-Slash/Gravi-Crush/Kreis/whatever.)

The chances of some one getting off a win via Destiny Board odd about the same as winning the lotto. The total nuke, while being relatively hard to do, isn't that much of a problem in a deck made to take advantage of it. Should the effect be used the opponent has next to no chance of winning.

 

Also, just to make sure we're on the same page, I'm talking about Neo Daedalus, not Daedalus.

 

Let me remind you of your original argument:

 

On the Neo Daedalus topic' date=' it comes down to if a card that can nuke everything but itself should be allowed to remain in the game, and the answer is no since that is all it can do and the game losses nothing from that loss.

[/quote']

 

Your claim was that a total nuke effect is fundamentally unacceptable in any form. I pointed out that instant win effects are generally not considered fundamentally unacceptable, and therefore nothing short of a match win should be fundamentally unacceptable. (Incidentally, match wins are fundamentally unacceptable.)

While win game effect are better then any form of nuke effect, the fact that the only 3 game win conditions are either really hard to win with (Finak Countdown/Destiny Board) or should be banned (Exodia). The total nuke effect, while not being as powerful as a game win effect, are far easier to use and so unacceptable.

 

There are six instant win effects in the game, not three.

 

My point was simply that no effect in existence is fundamentally unacceptable, with the solitary exception of match winners.

What are the other 3?

 

Point taken.

 

Vennominaga is one of them but that has it's flaws which keep it off the list.

 

There's also Last Turn.

 

The other 1 I dont know.

Forgot about those two.

 

The last one is Exodius.

[Toffee.]

I lol@how Venominaga is off the list

 

Wc08ftw

[Mr. Judgment Dragon]

On the Neo Daedalus topic' date=' it comes down to if a card that can nuke everything but itself should be allowed to remain in the game, and the answer is no since that is all it can do and the game losses nothing from that loss.

[/quote']

 

Ban Spirit Message - "L".

Banning L serves no good. Here you are banning a card that exists for the sole reason of performing a total nuke, but spares itself.

 

The Destiny Board series serves no real purpose other than to instantly win the game. I think we can all agree that instantly winning the game is a stronger effect than nuking the field.

 

(I chose L over Destiny Board itself because Destiny Board sans L can still give fodder to Hamon/Magna-Slash/Gravi-Crush/Kreis/whatever.)

The chances of some one getting off a win via Destiny Board odd about the same as winning the lotto. The total nuke, while being relatively hard to do, isn't that much of a problem in a deck made to take advantage of it. Should the effect be used the opponent has next to no chance of winning.

 

Also, just to make sure we're on the same page, I'm talking about Neo Daedalus, not Daedalus.

 

Let me remind you of your original argument:

 

On the Neo Daedalus topic' date=' it comes down to if a card that can nuke everything but itself should be allowed to remain in the game, and the answer is no since that is all it can do and the game losses nothing from that loss.

[/quote']

 

Your claim was that a total nuke effect is fundamentally unacceptable in any form. I pointed out that instant win effects are generally not considered fundamentally unacceptable, and therefore nothing short of a match win should be fundamentally unacceptable. (Incidentally, match wins are fundamentally unacceptable.)

While win game effect are better then any form of nuke effect, the fact that the only 3 game win conditions are either really hard to win with (Finak Countdown/Destiny Board) or should be banned (Exodia). The total nuke effect, while not being as powerful as a game win effect, are far easier to use and so unacceptable.

 

There are six instant win effects in the game, not three.

 

My point was simply that no effect in existence is fundamentally unacceptable, with the solitary exception of match winners.

What are the other 3?

 

Point taken.

 

Vennominaga is one of them but that has it's flaws which keep it off the list.

 

There's also Last Turn.

 

The other 1 I dont know.

Forgot about those two.

 

The last one is Exodius.

 

That and if you count Victory Dragon, that's 7.

 

I lol@how Venominaga is off the list

 

Wc08ftw

 

Vennominaga isnt exactly easy to summon but once it is summoned, it is almost impossible to lose.

[CrabHelmet]

On the Neo Daedalus topic' date=' it comes down to if a card that can nuke everything but itself should be allowed to remain in the game, and the answer is no since that is all it can do and the game losses nothing from that loss.

[/quote']

 

Ban Spirit Message - "L".

Banning L serves no good. Here you are banning a card that exists for the sole reason of performing a total nuke, but spares itself.

 

The Destiny Board series serves no real purpose other than to instantly win the game. I think we can all agree that instantly winning the game is a stronger effect than nuking the field.

 

(I chose L over Destiny Board itself because Destiny Board sans L can still give fodder to Hamon/Magna-Slash/Gravi-Crush/Kreis/whatever.)

The chances of some one getting off a win via Destiny Board odd about the same as winning the lotto. The total nuke, while being relatively hard to do, isn't that much of a problem in a deck made to take advantage of it. Should the effect be used the opponent has next to no chance of winning.

 

Also, just to make sure we're on the same page, I'm talking about Neo Daedalus, not Daedalus.

 

Let me remind you of your original argument:

 

On the Neo Daedalus topic' date=' it comes down to if a card that can nuke everything but itself should be allowed to remain in the game, and the answer is no since that is all it can do and the game losses nothing from that loss.

[/quote']

 

Your claim was that a total nuke effect is fundamentally unacceptable in any form. I pointed out that instant win effects are generally not considered fundamentally unacceptable, and therefore nothing short of a match win should be fundamentally unacceptable. (Incidentally, match wins are fundamentally unacceptable.)

While win game effect are better then any form of nuke effect, the fact that the only 3 game win conditions are either really hard to win with (Finak Countdown/Destiny Board) or should be banned (Exodia). The total nuke effect, while not being as powerful as a game win effect, are far easier to use and so unacceptable.

 

There are six instant win effects in the game, not three.

 

My point was simply that no effect in existence is fundamentally unacceptable, with the solitary exception of match winners.

What are the other 3?

 

Point taken.

 

Vennominaga is one of them but that has it's flaws which keep it off the list.

 

There's also Last Turn.

 

The other 1 I dont know.

Forgot about those two.

 

The last one is Exodius.

 

That means 7 game winners.

 

Victory Dragon doesn't count. He wins the match after you've won the first game; he doesn't win the game itself.

[Mr. Judgment Dragon]

On the Neo Daedalus topic' date=' it comes down to if a card that can nuke everything but itself should be allowed to remain in the game, and the answer is no since that is all it can do and the game losses nothing from that loss.

[/quote']

 

Ban Spirit Message - "L".

Banning L serves no good. Here you are banning a card that exists for the sole reason of performing a total nuke, but spares itself.

 

The Destiny Board series serves no real purpose other than to instantly win the game. I think we can all agree that instantly winning the game is a stronger effect than nuking the field.

 

(I chose L over Destiny Board itself because Destiny Board sans L can still give fodder to Hamon/Magna-Slash/Gravi-Crush/Kreis/whatever.)

The chances of some one getting off a win via Destiny Board odd about the same as winning the lotto. The total nuke, while being relatively hard to do, isn't that much of a problem in a deck made to take advantage of it. Should the effect be used the opponent has next to no chance of winning.

 

Also, just to make sure we're on the same page, I'm talking about Neo Daedalus, not Daedalus.

 

Let me remind you of your original argument:

 

On the Neo Daedalus topic' date=' it comes down to if a card that can nuke everything but itself should be allowed to remain in the game, and the answer is no since that is all it can do and the game losses nothing from that loss.

[/quote']

 

Your claim was that a total nuke effect is fundamentally unacceptable in any form. I pointed out that instant win effects are generally not considered fundamentally unacceptable, and therefore nothing short of a match win should be fundamentally unacceptable. (Incidentally, match wins are fundamentally unacceptable.)

While win game effect are better then any form of nuke effect, the fact that the only 3 game win conditions are either really hard to win with (Finak Countdown/Destiny Board) or should be banned (Exodia). The total nuke effect, while not being as powerful as a game win effect, are far easier to use and so unacceptable.

 

There are six instant win effects in the game, not three.

 

My point was simply that no effect in existence is fundamentally unacceptable, with the solitary exception of match winners.

What are the other 3?

 

Point taken.

 

Vennominaga is one of them but that has it's flaws which keep it off the list.

 

There's also Last Turn.

 

The other 1 I dont know.

Forgot about those two.

 

The last one is Exodius.

 

That means 7 game winners.

 

Victory Dragon doesn't count. He wins the match after you've won the first game; he doesn't win the game itself.

 

OK. I guess we've pointed out the other 3 correctly.

[Dad]

Godly-fuckin'-epic.

 

Bein' hard to summon - and havin' to mutilate itself - hardly makes it banworthy.

 

He's really not that hard to summon. I've gotten him out in 3 turns. His self-destruction effect keeps him in check at least. And yes, I do run it. It's very fun with the Dark Creator. =3

[Phantom Roxas]

 

 

On the Neo Daedalus topic' date=' it comes down to if a card that can nuke everything but itself should be allowed to remain in the game, and the answer is no since that is all it can do and the game losses nothing from that loss.

[/quote']

 

Ban Spirit Message - "L".

Banning L serves no good. Here you are banning a card that exists for the sole reason of performing a total nuke, but spares itself.

 

The Destiny Board series serves no real purpose other than to instantly win the game. I think we can all agree that instantly winning the game is a stronger effect than nuking the field.

 

(I chose L over Destiny Board itself because Destiny Board sans L can still give fodder to Hamon/Magna-Slash/Gravi-Crush/Kreis/whatever.)

The chances of some one getting off a win via Destiny Board odd about the same as winning the lotto. The total nuke, while being relatively hard to do, isn't that much of a problem in a deck made to take advantage of it. Should the effect be used the opponent has next to no chance of winning.

 

Also, just to make sure we're on the same page, I'm talking about Neo Daedalus, not Daedalus.

 

Let me remind you of your original argument:

 

On the Neo Daedalus topic' date=' it comes down to if a card that can nuke everything but itself should be allowed to remain in the game, and the answer is no since that is all it can do and the game losses nothing from that loss.

[/quote']

 

Your claim was that a total nuke effect is fundamentally unacceptable in any form. I pointed out that instant win effects are generally not considered fundamentally unacceptable, and therefore nothing short of a match win should be fundamentally unacceptable. (Incidentally, match wins are fundamentally unacceptable.)

While win game effect are better then any form of nuke effect, the fact that the only 3 game win conditions are either really hard to win with (Finak Countdown/Destiny Board) or should be banned (Exodia). The total nuke effect, while not being as powerful as a game win effect, are far easier to use and so unacceptable.

 

There are six instant win effects in the game, not three.

 

My point was simply that no effect in existence is fundamentally unacceptable, with the solitary exception of match winners.

What are the other 3?

 

Point taken.

 

Vennominaga is one of them but that has it's flaws which keep it off the list.

 

There's also Last Turn.

 

The other 1 I dont know.

Forgot about those two.

 

The last one is Exodius.

 

That means 7 game winners.

 

Victory Dragon doesn't count. He wins the match after you've won the first game; he doesn't win the game itself.

 

OK. I guess we've pointed out the other 3 correctly.

 

 

 

See how easy that was?

[「tea.leaf」]

Turns any dark monster into Raigeki. Bannable.

 

Levia Dragon - Daedalus turns Umi into an atom bomb. Neo Ocean Dragon Lord upgrades that Atom Bomb. They haven't been banned yet. Levia Dragon would f*** this.

 

Still......awsome art is awsome.

 

What's more splashable: Generic DARK Monster or A Legendary Ocean/Umi?

[Dad]

Turns any dark monster into Raigeki. Bannable.

 

Levia Dragon - Daedalus turns Umi into an atom bomb. Neo Ocean Dragon Lord upgrades that Atom Bomb. They haven't been banned yet. Levia Dragon would f*** this.

 

Still......awsome art is awsome.

 

What's more splashable: Generic DARK Monster or A Legendary Ocean/Umi?

 

Two letters: XD

[Lemniscate]

Turns any dark monster into Raigeki. Bannable.

 

Levia Dragon - Daedalus turns Umi into an atom bomb. Neo Ocean Dragon Lord upgrades that Atom Bomb. They haven't been banned yet. Levia Dragon would f*** this.

 

Still......awsome art is awsome.

 

What's more splashable: Generic DARK Monster or A Legendary Ocean/Umi?

 

How is splashability even related to this?

We are discussing the ban-ability of Darklord Zerato.

Also, Exchange of the Spirit is not splashable into every deck and still effective, so should it be un-banned?

[CrabHelmet]

Turns any dark monster into Raigeki. Bannable.

 

Levia Dragon - Daedalus turns Umi into an atom bomb. Neo Ocean Dragon Lord upgrades that Atom Bomb. They haven't been banned yet. Levia Dragon would f*** this.

 

Still......awsome art is awsome.

 

What's more splashable: Generic DARK Monster or A Legendary Ocean/Umi?

 

How is splashability even related to this?

 

Splashability is one factor to consider when determining a card's banworthiness.

 

We are discussing the ban-ability of Darklord Zerato.

 

Good' date=' you figured out what this topic is!

 

Also, Exchange of the Spirit is not splashable into every deck and still effective, so should it be un-banned?

 

Why do you idiots assume that something is always either THE ONE AND ONLY ULTIMATE DECIDING FACTOR AND ONLY IT MATTERS or completely and utterly irrelevant to the topic at hand? As difficult as it may be for your one-dimensional brains to understand, there is more than one factor to consider.