ragnarok1945 Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 no you can't. The grabber is designed to hurl enemy trajectories back at them (unless the enemy is very small, in which you can throw the enemy into the air and they die instantly, such enemies are lost souls and cherubs) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn of Elemia Posted February 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 no you can't. The grabber is designed to hurl enemy trajectories back at them (unless the enemy is very small' date=' in which you can throw the enemy into the air and they die instantly, such enemies are lost souls and cherubs)[/quote'] Throwing them up into the air kills them instantly? How much sense does that make? They could've made a PERFECT way to make it so the Grabber was needed to kill Maledict by making it so you HAD to use Lost Souls to damage it. That would've made the fight SO much better, don't you think? From how it sounds, the Grabber itself isn't doing any damage. Since a Lost Soul flies anyway, it makes so sense that it would die by being thrown in the air. A Cherub I could understand since it could take damage when it hits the ground and die from that. But throwing a Lost Soul at an enemy would be a killer way to do some damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Yeah well you should see how it works against Imps, Vulcans, Cacodemons, etc. Pick up their fireball and hurl it back at them means instant death. That's why the hellknight is not one bit of a threat at all. All you have to do is chuck their own fireball at them 4 times and they die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn of Elemia Posted February 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Yeah well you should see how it works against Imps' date=' Vulcans, Cacodemons, etc. Pick up their fireball and hurl it back at them means instant death. That's why the hellknight is not one bit of a threat at all. All you have to do is chuck their own fireball at them 4 times and they die.[/quote'] Against an Imp and Vulcan I can understand, but not a Cacodemon. Cacodemons are far more resiliant to your weapons to make it die instantly to its own fireball. The Hellknight is more realistic due to its size and durability. Don't remember if you mentioned it or not, but does this work on Revenants and Mancubus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Yes it does, but I never use it. To catch the projectile (and it has be to just ONE projectile) and throw it back takes just under 1.5 seconds. The Revenant fires two rockets, and the Mancubus fires its rockets too fast for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn of Elemia Posted February 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 Too bad the Grabber wouldn't work on energy projectiles - or I'd throw a BFG blast back >=D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 actually it might. Problem is you never get an enemy BFG projectile fired at you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn of Elemia Posted February 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 Not in Resurrection of Evil, anyway. In Doom 3, Sabaoth fired BFG shots that you had to destroy (right)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 exactly, but the projectiles had like 5 HP anyway, so it's easy to destroy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn of Elemia Posted February 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 But think about it: 5 HP to destroy vs who knows how much damage that it could deal to the enemy upon contact(If I remember right, the BFG blast was an insta-kill if you didn't get rid of it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 not exactly The BFG damage is 200. If everything is maxed out, you have 125 armor and 100 health, which means you can survive a direct hit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn of Elemia Posted February 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 What if it only deals splash damage? I'm sure that would do a nice chunk. Also, I heard that Sabaoth fires BFG blasts quite frequently during the fight - as well as pieces of the floor disappearing as the battle progresses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 oh the floor shifting is easy, and the fact that the poles get electrified every few seconds. The point is, the BFG rounds are easy to dodge since they can't home in on you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn of Elemia Posted February 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 So, you wouldn't even need to shoot them if you could get away from it fast enough. Sabaoth doesn't seem as hard as people made him out to be. The BFG shots are its only means of attacking? Or does he try and run you over with those tank legs as well? If not, then the environment is the only thing you need to worry about. Regardless of its difficulty, at least it's more refreshing than fighting the same 2 bosses (Cyberdemon and Spider Mastermind) in different areas repeatedly like the older games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 So' date=' you wouldn't even need to shoot them if you could get away from it fast enough. Sabaoth doesn't seem as hard as people made him out to be. The BFG shots are its only means of attacking? Or does he try and run you over with those tank legs as well? If not, then the environment is the only thing you need to worry about. Regardless of its difficulty, at least it's more refreshing than fighting the same 2 bosses (Cyberdemon and Spider Mastermind) in different areas repeatedly like the older games.[/quote'] well if he gets in close enough. Look if you have the rocket launcher, it is technically possible to do beat him without even getting hurt, though I've never done it (came close once, losing only 10 points of health/armor). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn of Elemia Posted February 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 And somewhere out there, I bet some person is actually thinking about taking out Sabaoth with a Chainsaw... Hearing how easy Sabaoth is to fight, it makes me wonder about how difficult the Hellhunters from RoE are.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 actually Sabaoth moves too fast for a chainsaw And as for the Hellhunters in RoE, only the 3rd one is actually hard. The other two are easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn of Elemia Posted February 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 The third one is the Invincible Hellhunter, if I remember right. What exactly made that one so difficult to fight as opposed to the other two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 The first one all you have to do was use the grabber to throw the projectiles the two plasma turrets were firing at the Hellhunter. He teleports around, but generally stays within the same place most of the time, think you only need to hit him like 5 times to win. The second one may have 5000 health, but its only trajectory requires it gather up a LOT of energy, only to result in a very tiny fireball that's easily avoided. Slow time down (gained from the first hellhunter) the moment it powers up for melee and shoot him in the chest. The third one is the only one who's electricity attacks are of wide range, large physical size, and significant splash damage. In fact if you stay on the platform with him, he'll just stomp on the floor and send an electric shockwave in all directions on the floor. Furthermore, while his health is 7000, it's actually higher than that. Every time you drain his health to 0, he'll simply draw power from the 3 remaining cores in the room (the 4th is destroyed for you just as the fight begins). During that time you can open one of the 3 cores (only one) and destroy it. When he is drawing power from the cores, he is invulnerable to attack, and the cores' power will instantly raise his health back up to 7000. Only when all 4 cores in the room have been destroyed can you actually kill him because by then he can't regenerate his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn of Elemia Posted February 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 The Invincible Hellhunter reminds me of Dynamo Man from Rockman Forte since he has the same healing ability. So, what is the story behind the Hellhunters? Why are they roaming around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 just like the Cyberdemon is the guardian of the hellgate, the 3 Hellhunters are the guardians of the Hellstone, a demon artifact which has powers similar to that of the Soul Cube in Doom 3. And unlike the hellgate portal, the Hellstone's two way gateway from hell to mars can be opened by anyone, whether you had any idea what you were doing or not (though for some reason the demons themselves are not immune to its powers) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn of Elemia Posted February 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 At least Doom 3 and RoE have a much better storyline than the originals. It makes it that much more interested. What exactly does the Hellstone do? Of course, you really didn't need much of a reason to go around and blasting demons back in the day. We were quite content with just trying to make it out alive. The first game had the best 'story', so to speak. Doom 2 was meh. Final Doom had 2 different ones - which were both meh. Doom 64 didn't really have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 It's supposed to harbor some ancient power just like the Soul Cube does, but that power cannot be accessed by a non-demon wielder. However, upon defeating the hell hunters, their special abilities are absorbed into the hellstone, and you can access their powers regardless of the what wielder you are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn of Elemia Posted February 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 So, is the Hellstone supposed to help you defeat Maledict or something? On that note, what exactly is Maledict? Also, what kind of powers do you get from the Hellstone? Having power like that has to be interesting. Oh, and another question - is there really a difference between a Lost Soul and a Forgotten One? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 The Forgotten One is just a Lost Soul with a more demonic face to it, everything else is identical. And no one knows what kind of powers you're supposed to get from the Hellstone because whatever powers are in there, you can't use it (save the 3 abilities of the hellhunters if you kill them). And that's the only way to kill the Maledict at the end of the game. The Maledict is Dr. Betruger's demonic conversion, where only his head is left, attached to the end of the Maledict's tongue. The Maledict itself has the body of a bat, but the head of a fire breathing gargoyle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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