Genzo's Banlist

[iAmNateXero]

Like teleport for Tuner Psychics? o.O

 

Again IIT: Fodder=Banable.

 

I wonder when Spell striker is going to hit the list.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

Spell Striker=loss of advantage

 

Malicious=no loss of advantage.

[iAmNateXero]

So Because teleport in itself forces you to play such spell card from your hand, making you loose hand advantage it is okay. But because ,malicious, a monster that requires tribute, and unless you use the game mechanic of a 7 card hand during the end phase, you will need to use another card to send it to the grave yard is a problem.

 

I guess all monster revival cards in the game other than "Rope of Life" should be banned.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

Here, I can tell you don't have a head for math. This is the process of an e-tele malicious combo:

 

Remove Mali in graveyard to summon one: +1

E-Tele a krebons: +0

Synchro the two: -1

Net advantage: +0

 

Hence, you lose no advantage performing the combo. Now, let's take a look at spell striker:

 

Summon Spell Striker from hand: +0

E-Tele a psycho commander: +0

Synchro Summon: -1

Net advantage: -1

 

0>-1. This goes for EVERY combo that you mentioned, save malicious.

[iAmNateXero]

Here' date=' I can tell you don't have a head for math. This is the process of an e-tele malicious combo:

 

Remove Mali in graveyard to summon one: +1

E-Tele a krebons: +0

Synchro the two: -1

Net advantage: +0

 

Hence, you lose no advantage performing the combo. Now, let's take a look at spell striker:

 

Summon Spell Striker from hand: +0

E-Tele a psycho commander: +0

Synchro Summon: -1

Net advantage: -1

 

0>-1. This goes for EVERY combo that you mentioned, save malicious.

[/quote']

 

Here i see you dont have a head for critical thinking, What puts the malicious in the graveyard to begin with? o.O Unlike Human Beings, cards don't commit suicide, and before you say D Draw, remember were talking solely about Malicious, and Eteleport. Thus Implying more cards have to be used in the equation.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

D-Draw.

Armaggedon Knight.

Any of the numerous discard-cost cards (which can be +0 or higher if you're doing it right.)

 

It is easy to dump one in the graveyard with no loss of advantage.

[iAmNateXero]

I guess your failing to get the point, so ill just say it. Alone, Malicious is not a problem. Teleport can not be alone, nor can it be activated without such targets. Malicious can not be the problem in Teleport combo when by itself, malicious can not be abused by itself. It is with other cards that Malicious is viewed as a problem, in a nut shell, fix the problems around Malicious.

[CrabHelmet]

This entire topic is made of awesome.

 

ITT: Malicious is bad in Tele(Insert Win condition monster here) not eTeleport.

 

Unban TER and Tsukuyomi; ban Scapegoat. After all, it's called Goat Control, not TER-and-Tsukuyomi Control. Oh, and ban Diamond Dude while unbanning Dimension Fusion. Does DDT stand for Dimension Fusion Turbo? I don't think so.

[Von Csent]

I guess your failing to get the point' date=' so ill just say it. Alone, Malicious is not a problem. Teleport can not be alone, nor can it be activated without such targets. Malicious can not be the problem in Teleport combo when by itself, malicious can not be abused by itself. It is with other cards that Malicious is viewed as a problem, in a nut shell, fix the problems around Malicious.

[/quote']

 

You just admitted that Malicious is only useful as an abuse-engine. So, would it be better for the game to kill every otherwise-fair-card Malicious badly interacts with, or to simply kill Malicious himself? Kill E-Tele, and what happens? Another card that Malicious over-fuels will come along. Then ban that card too.

 

In short, as long as Malicious lives (at 2 or 3) it is too easy to abuse him.

[iAmNateXero]

This entire topic is made of awesome.

 

ITT: Malicious is bad in Tele(Insert Win condition monster here) not eTeleport.

 

Unban TER and Tsukuyomi; ban Scapegoat. After all' date=' it's called Goat Control, not TER-and-Tsukuyomi Control. Oh, and ban Diamond Dude while unbanning Dimension Fusion. Does DDT stand for Dimension Fusion Turbo? I don't think so.

[/quote']

Banable cards are banable cards. If you are suggesting that Malicious is banable, doesn't that contridict the conversation we had earlier?

I guess your failing to get the point' date=' so ill just say it. Alone, Malicious is not a problem. Teleport can not be alone, nor can it be activated without such targets. Malicious can not be the problem in Teleport combo when by itself, malicious can not be abused by itself. It is with other cards that Malicious is viewed as a problem, in a nut shell, fix the problems around Malicious.

[/quote']

 

You just admitted that Malicious is only useful as an abuse-engine. So, would it be better for the game to kill every otherwise-fair-card Malicious badly interacts with, or to simply kill Malicious himself? Kill E-Tele, and what happens? Another card that Malicious over-fuels will come along. Then ban that card too.

 

In short, as long as Malicious lives (at 2 or 3) it is too easy to abuse him.

Where in any of my post did i say malicious is an abuse engine? Malicious is nothing but a faster stray lamb. Is Stray Lamb broken? Is it because its dark? Does that make Phantom sky blaster broken? Or is it because cards exist to nullify the Existing restraint of Malicious Level a problem in the game? Is it because there is no cost to activate his effect? Is it because its effect can be activated with a different copy? Does that make Volcanic Shell broken? Is it that fact that its roughly $40-50 and to much for people who want to use the card to acquire?

Is it because it thins the deck? Does that make card trooper Broken? Does that make LS broken? Or is it that monsters that you dont have to actually play from your hand cause to much damage to the game? Does that make Mind Control and Brain control Broken?

 

If you take malicious out of the equation, do you honestly think it will stop TeleDAD? Does other lvl 6 monsters not exist in the game? Does Zombies not exist in the game, does Monarchs not exist in this game, does Gigaplant not exist in this game, does Darkwolrd not exist in this game? Does Instant Fusion not exist in this game?

 

Malicious isn't the problem as long as even after Malicious is gone, more problems in the same equation survives (ie. Teleport + Any monster lvl 1-8 )

[Psycho Shocker Android]

Gold Sarcophagus should be at 3.

It promotes skilled decisions and you have Mind Crush at 3. Plus, the player who activates it is at a disadvantage for a full 2 turns before getting his card, wich often results in a loss of advantage in a format having almost no cards to abuse.

 

I'd limit flint lock or something like that just to be sure there are no infinite LP.

 

And I'd probably try to unban last will unless there's some low atk monsters I'm forgetting.

[Von Csent]

Where in any of my post did i say malicious is an abuse engine? Malicious is nothing but a faster stray lamb. Is Stray Lamb broken? Is it because its dark? Does that make Phantom sky blaster broken? Or is it because cards exist to nullify the Existing restraint of Malicious Level a problem in the game? Is it because there is no cost to activate his effect? Is it because its effect can be activated with a different copy? Does that make Volcanic Shell broken? Is it that fact that its roughly $40-50 and to much for people who want to use the card to acquire?

Is it because it thins the deck? Does that make card trooper Broken? Does that make LS broken? Or is it that monsters that you dont have to actually play from your hand cause to much damage to the game? Does that make Mind Control and Brain control Broken?

 

If you take malicious out of the equation' date=' do you honestly think it will stop TeleDAD? Does other lvl 6 monsters not exist in the game? Does Zombies not exist in the game, does Monarchs not exist in this game, does Gigaplant not exist in this game, does Darkwolrd not exist in this game? Does Instant Fusion not exist in this game?

 

Malicious isn't the problem as long as even after Malicious is gone, more problems in the same equation survives (ie. Teleport + Any monster lvl 1-8 )

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You said Mali was useless alone. This implies that you believe that he has excellent combos with other cards.

 

Mali beats Stray Lambs because he is level 6 and can be tributed immediately.

 

DARK support does add to his playability, as does the fact that he is a Destiny Hero, in addition to his effects. He is simply as versatile as he can be. He is even CCV fodder.

 

His money cost does not influence his brokenness. His brokenness influences his cost. Simple logic.

 

His deck-thinning effect is nice, but not his main purpose.

 

TeleDAD would be shutdown on the Synchro, the more dangerous half of the deck.

 

Lv. 6 Zombies: Easy to summon, but not as fast as Mali.

 

Monarchs and Gigaplant: Require a normal summon and tribute fodder, or Monster Reborn.

 

Darkworld: You mean Goldd and Silva? They are level 5. Plaguespreader and Krebons are level 2. Level 7 is not a popular Synchro level.

 

Is E-Tele a problem? Yes. Is Mali a problem? Yes. Is either a problem without the other? Yes.

[Mutant Monster RAEG-HAPYP]

Gold Sarcophagus should be at 3.

It promotes skilled decisions and you have Mind Crush at 3. Plus' date=' the player who activates it is at a disadvantage for a full 2 turns before getting his card, wich often results in a loss of advantage in a format having almost no cards to abuse.

 

I'd limit flint lock or something like that just to be sure there are no infinite LP.

 

And I'd probably try to unban last will unless there's some low atk monsters I'm forgetting.

[/quote']

Plaguespreader and Krebons say hi

 

though I highly doubt Tele-DAD needs Will

[GenzoTheHarpist]

Gold Sarcophagus should be at 3.

It promotes skilled decisions and you have Mind Crush at 3. Plus' date=' the player who activates it is at a disadvantage for a full 2 turns before getting his card, wich often results in a loss of advantage in a format having almost no cards to abuse.

 

I'd limit flint lock or something like that just to be sure there are no infinite LP.

 

And I'd probably try to unban last will unless there's some low atk monsters I'm forgetting.

[/quote']

 

I don't know about Last Will. Gold Sarc i'm on the wall about as well since witch and sangan are banned and this seems pretty abusable. Flint Lock though seems worthy.

 

Changes:

 

Limit Flint Lock.

Ban Morphing Jar (encourages over extension.)

[iAmNateXero]

 

You said Mali was useless alone. This implies that you believe that he has excellent combos with other cards.

No' date=' it implies that Malicious is useless alone. Other cards in the game dont work with them self, so skillful people decide to combo cards. Malicious is in a Good Twin Evil Twin Struggle all the time when 2 parts of the equation can not work alone, and people always choose the good twin to put in jail while the bad twin walks away just to do evil again.[/b']

 

Mali beats Stray Lambs because he is level 6 and can be tributed immediately.

Stray lambs just like Malicious provides 2 Tribute fodder. If Malicious is bad because of that fact, than Stray lambs should be banned for the same offense. Its Yugioh Justice at work.

 

DARK support does add to his playability, as does the fact that he is a Destiny Hero, in addition to his effects. He is simply as versatile as he can be. He is even CCV fodder. Phantom Sky Blaster can be searched by Sangan, is dark, and can create more possible CCV fodder, Ban it.

 

His money cost does not influence his brokenness. His brokenness influences his cost. Simple logic.

His Rareness inflates his cost. Honest isn't Broken but its still $40-60. Your point is flawed and invalid. In my hobby store you can by a Fiber jar for $3 Dollars, are you saying that Malicious is more broken than Fiber Jar?

 

His deck-thinning effect is nice, but not his main purpose.

Removing it from play in your graveyard, Than special summoning another Malicious from your deck, a form of thinning, is not the point of malicious? Why should it be Limited again?

 

TeleDAD would be shutdown on the Synchro, the more dangerous half of the deck.

TeleDAD without Synchros is just DAD and died when Dimension Fusion got banned, or did you miss the Glad beast Meta?

 

Lv. 6 Zombies: Easy to summon, but not as fast as Mali.

I heard Spell cards are the fastest cards in the game. Ban Every last spell card.

 

Monarchs and Gigaplant: Require a normal summon and tribute fodder, or Monster Reborn.

So because you have to abide by a game mechanic of Advance summoning, its bad? Why even try to draw cards if you have a risk of ending your turn with 7 cards in the hand?

 

Darkworld: You mean Goldd and Silva? They are level 5. Plaguespreader and Krebons are level 2. Level 7 is not a popular Synchro level.

I forgot Psychic Commander is OCG only. Rats!

 

Is E-Tele a problem? Yes. Is Mali a problem? Yes. Is either a problem without the other? Yes.

Malicious is not a problem by itself. People who believe its a problem is even more closed minded by the people who think Krebons is the only eTeleportable Tuner.

[CrabHelmet]

I have a better idea: leave them all at 3.

 

Also, Nate reaches the right conclusion about Malicious using the worst logic in the universe.

[iAmNateXero]

The only way i know how crab, the only way i know how.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

Listen, there's a serious problem with Malicious v. e-tele. Anyone looking at the current meta can see that. What should take the fall? IMO cards that have no legit value (malicious) should be banned before cards that are actually good and balanced (e-tele.)

[ZombieCombo]

gold sarcophagus at 3, necroface banned.

[Flame Dragon]

Listen' date=' there's a serious problem with Malicious v. e-tele. Anyone looking at the current meta can see that. What should take the fall? IMO cards that have no legit value (malicious) should be banned before cards that are actually good and balanced (e-tele.)

[/quote']

Look at the current meta and see that we also have DAD, JD, Sangan, Breaker, CCV, Snipe, Allure, Reborn, Brain, and Trap Dustshoot. I got all those cards (side from JD) just by looking at first deck of the top 16 of the last SJC. So you can't say that because Malicious will do in format y because he does well in format x if the two formats are very different and on a decent ban list your list's format would be very different then the current one.

 

And again I bring up the point that their is nothing wrong with your opponent getting 1, or even 2, easy to summon Synchro.

[CrabHelmet]

I love all the assumptions being made by everyone here.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

Listen' date=' there's a serious problem with Malicious v. e-tele. Anyone looking at the current meta can see that. What should take the fall? IMO cards that have no legit value (malicious) should be banned before cards that are actually good and balanced (e-tele.)

[/quote']

Look at the current meta and see that we also have DAD, JD, Sangan, Breaker, CCV, Snipe, Allure, Reborn, Brain, and Trap Dustshoot. I got all those cards (side from JD) just by looking at first deck of the top 16 of the last SJC. So you can't say that because Malicious will do in format y because he does well in format x if the two formats are very different and on a decent ban list your list's format would be very different then the current one.

 

And again I bring up the point that their is nothing wrong with your opponent getting 1, or even 2, easy to summon Synchro.

 

You're not paying attention then. It's only the synchros that made teleDAD the top deck of the format and the older dads a second-class one in the last. They had every single card you listed, just no synchros, and guess what, they were failing. Ergo, it' the synchros...

[CrabHelmet]

Listen' date=' there's a serious problem with Malicious v. e-tele. Anyone looking at the current meta can see that. What should take the fall? IMO cards that have no legit value (malicious) should be banned before cards that are actually good and balanced (e-tele.)

[/quote']

Look at the current meta and see that we also have DAD, JD, Sangan, Breaker, CCV, Snipe, Allure, Reborn, Brain, and Trap Dustshoot. I got all those cards (side from JD) just by looking at first deck of the top 16 of the last SJC. So you can't say that because Malicious will do in format y because he does well in format x if the two formats are very different and on a decent ban list your list's format would be very different then the current one.

 

And again I bring up the point that their is nothing wrong with your opponent getting 1, or even 2, easy to summon Synchro.

 

You're not paying attention then. It's only the synchros that made teleDAD the top deck of the format and the older dads a second-class one in the last. They had every single card you listed, just no synchros, and guess what, they were failing. Ergo, it' the synchros...

 

To say that Tele-DAD's success - nay, the success of any deck - is singularly the result of one individual aspect of the deck, with the other aspects of the deck rendered insignificant, is foolhardy.

 

You'll notice that Return decks pre-DAD were unable to dominate, and DAD decks post-Return were similarly unable to dominate. It was the convergence of the two factors - DAD and Return - that were capable of creating such a powerful deck.

 

Think of it this way: 3 < 5, and 4 < 5, but 3 + 4 > 5.

[Flame Dragon]

Listen' date=' there's a serious problem with Malicious v. e-tele. Anyone looking at the current meta can see that. What should take the fall? IMO cards that have no legit value (malicious) should be banned before cards that are actually good and balanced (e-tele.)

[/quote']

Look at the current meta and see that we also have DAD, JD, Sangan, Breaker, CCV, Snipe, Allure, Reborn, Brain, and Trap Dustshoot. I got all those cards (side from JD) just by looking at first deck of the top 16 of the last SJC. So you can't say that because Malicious will do in format y because he does well in format x if the two formats are very different and on a decent ban list your list's format would be very different then the current one.

 

And again I bring up the point that their is nothing wrong with your opponent getting 1, or even 2, easy to summon Synchro.

 

You're not paying attention then. It's only the synchros that made teleDAD the top deck of the format and the older dads a second-class one in the last. They had every single card you listed, just no synchros, and guess what, they were failing. Ergo, it' the synchros...

If memory severs DAD never was second class. Since he came out he's been in the top tier of decks. You are right when you say the synchros did make the deck better, but every deck has them, and a few of them are just about as competent as Tele-DAD at getting them out so saying that Tele-DAD success is alone due too them doesn't make sense.

 

The integration of the synchros into the already powerful DAD decks is what has made Tele-DAD such a powerhouse.

[Guest PikaPerson01]

Ban Morphing Jar (encourages over extension.)

 

Moar like' date=' rewards over extension and sloppy plays with a fresh hand, amirite?

 

Listen' date=' there's a serious problem with Malicious v. e-tele. Anyone looking at the current meta can see that. What should take the fall? IMO cards that have no legit value (malicious) should be banned before cards that are actually good and balanced (e-tele.)

[/quote']

Look at the current meta and see that we also have DAD, JD, Sangan, Breaker, CCV, Snipe, Allure, Reborn, Brain, and Trap Dustshoot. I got all those cards (side from JD) just by looking at first deck of the top 16 of the last SJC. So you can't say that because Malicious will do in format y because he does well in format x if the two formats are very different and on a decent ban list your list's format would be very different then the current one.

 

And again I bring up the point that their is nothing wrong with your opponent getting 1, or even 2, easy to summon Synchro.

 

You're not paying attention then. It's only the synchros that made teleDAD the top deck of the format and the older dads a second-class one in the last. They had every single card you listed, just no synchros, and guess what, they were failing. Ergo, it' the synchros...

 

Every single deck in existence can use the Synchros DAD decks do. The problem isn't the Synchros, clearly. Rather, the speed at which Synchros can come out.