Genzo's Banlist

[Mr. Judgment Dragon]

I don't feel very comfortable about Diamond Dude's effect and the way it bypasses spell restrictions' date=' especially aided by Plaguespreader Zombie. Does anybody think he's worth banlist attention?

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You cant use the effect of that Spell until next turn and with the banworthy targets gone (Dimension Fusion most notably), I dont see it as a real problem.

 

Well you have targets like Ojama Delta Hurricane!! and the like, which were dead draws in previous DD decks, but with Plaguespreader you can put the dead draws on top for a guaranteed field wipe. So some of the more devastating spells that saw no use in say, DDT, could be lethal with the new cards.

 

Weren't you still able to put dead spells to the top of your deck by other means before Plaguespreader was released?

[CrabHelmet]

I don't feel very comfortable about Diamond Dude's effect and the way it bypasses spell restrictions' date=' especially aided by Plaguespreader Zombie. Does anybody think he's worth banlist attention?

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You cant use the effect of that Spell until next turn and with the banworthy targets gone (Dimension Fusion most notably), I dont see it as a real problem.

 

Well you have targets like Ojama Delta Hurricane!! and the like, which were dead draws in previous DD decks, but with Plaguespreader you can put the dead draws on top for a guaranteed field wipe. So some of the more devastating spells that saw no use in say, DDT, could be lethal with the new cards.

 

Weren't you still able to put dead spells to the top of your deck by other means before Plaguespreader was released?

 

A Feather of the Phoenix.

[Flame Dragon]

why not just ban malicious? o.O

 

Why ban Malicious? You wouldn't suggest banning Shapesnatch' date=' would you?

 

but full explanation of Ben-Kei is needed... now!

 

Three letters: OTK.

 

Malicious is an arguable 3 or 0 card. 1 malicious is laughable. Who would deck it? Nobody smart is who.

 

So because Ben Kei should be punish simply because lolatkequips exist? o.O And this is fine?

Hah, Malicious is 3 or 0? It's one of the only cards that could conceivably be a 3, 2, or 1, but never zero. Because for it to go to zero, it would first have to go to one, at which point it would have no reason to go further. It's not at two on the other hand because that would allow ridiculous synchro summoning and give this list many of the current format's problems.

How would putting it at 2 give this list the same problem that this format has?

 

This list has many of the problem cards from the current meta banned so at 2 the worse Malicious could do is give your opponent a Monarch are give your opponent Stardust.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

I don't think making E-tele's effect "summon one level 8 synchro" is acceptable even if you only do it once.

 

Back to the diamond-dude thing, yeah you could use feather of the phoenix but Plaguespreader has much more utility as it is both a +0 rather than a -2, and it puts dead cards in your hand to work rather than tossing them uselessly. The two combos are not of the same caliber at all. Plaguespreader could cause the use of field-nuke cards with diamond dude to grow to a level of deadliness it simply couldn't have had before.

[SephirothKirby]

Yes, but it still requires deck dedication, and if that's what you want to dedicate your deck to, good for you (ex: my Diamond City). It's just another option. It's not widely splashable, or devastating, as they still get a turn to prepare for whatever you're going to do- If Diamond Dude's effect was immediate, then I would say it calls for attention.

[Flame Dragon]

I don't think making E-tele's effect "summon one level 8 synchro" is acceptable even if you only do it once.

Then ban Malevolent Mech - Goku En since you can summon him then tele a Krebons to get out a level 8 synchro turn one.

 

Also what is wrong with getting out a level 8 synchro? The worse that can happen is they get out Stardust and that isn't bad.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

Then ban Malevolent Mech - Goku En since you can summon him then tele a Krebons to get out a level 8 synchro turn one.

 

That requires you to use a card from your hand, namely Goku-En, and is a -1 rather than a +0.

[Flame Dragon]

Then ban Malevolent Mech - Goku En since you can summon him then tele a Krebons to get out a level 8 synchro turn one.

 

That requires you to use a card from your hand' date=' namely Goku-En, and is a -1 rather than a +0.

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Is using 1 card create that big of a different?

[GenzoTheHarpist]

Yes, since that's the only case where E-Tele becomes "Summon one level 8 synchro", which is an unacceptable effect.

[Guest PikaPerson01]

The only way to get Malicious into the grave without ending with a -1 is:

 

Armageddon Knight

Destiny Draw

And, just for the sake of, let's include Lightning Vortex too

[Flame Dragon]

Yes' date=' since that's the only case where E-Tele becomes "Summon one level 8 synchro", which is an unacceptable effect.

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Ok, so your saying that a card that says this "Discard 1 card from your hand to summon 1 level 8 synchro" is perfectly fine? Besides you still have the problem of getting Malicious in the grave.

 

And now we come to another point, what makes summoning 1 level 8 synchro monster unacceptable? The worse that cn happen is that they get out Stardust and their is nothing wrong their.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

I think "discard a card to summon a synchro" is very borderline. The non-discard version is certainly to much, summoning incredibly resilient and restrictive beatsticks on the first turn it very powerful and enables teledad to dominate. There's not a big enough difference between getting two synchros or one, the entire process is unacceptable.

[Flame Dragon]

I think "discard a card to summon a synchro" is very borderline. The non-discard version is certainly to much' date=' summoning incredibly resilient and restrictive beatsticks on the first turn it very powerful and enables teledad to dominate. There's not a big enough difference between getting two synchros or one, the entire process is unacceptable.

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Their is a problem with summoning Stardust first turn. The problem is that your opponent can easily find a way to get rid of him since most people have already started maining cards that can get around Stardust. In this meta Teledad no longer exists so you can't bring up Teledad. Also in Teledad you have 3 Malicious so even if the first one goes you can easily get out another. At 2 you can only get out one so you need to go for the synchro at the best time, go to soon and you can easily loss it but go to late and your Malicious can get removed.

 

Also you never said what makes this unacceptable.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

I wasn't saying in this format teledad would be powerful (though if nothing was done to malicious it could and would still dominate) I was demonstrating how fast-synchro capabilities can win the duel. If your opponent has, with a single card, summoned stardust (or possibly even more difficult, TRA) on his first turn, he's lost no net advantage but has put you in a tricky spot.

 

If Stardust was identical in all aspects to it's current version but was a level four effect monster, would he be banworthy? You bet. He would be ridiculous. But the malicious combo is even worse, since you don't even use your normal summon. It gives ridiculous benefit for no loss of advantage.

[Flame Dragon]

I wasn't saying in this format teledad would be powerful (though if nothing was done to malicious it could and would still dominate) I was demonstrating how fast-synchro capabilities can win the duel. If your opponent has' date=' with a single card, summoned stardust (or possibly even more difficult, TRA) on his first turn, he's lost no net advantage but has put you in a tricky spot.

 

If Stardust was identical in all aspects to it's current version but was a level four effect monster, would he be banworthy? You bet. He would be ridiculous. But the malicious combo is even worse, since you don't even use your normal summon. It gives ridiculous benefit for no loss of advantage.

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Yes synchro can aid the ending of a duel quickly now, but that is the thing. NOW. This is a different meta and saying what they can do in one doesn't apply to another one. Also their isn't a single card since you are forgetting that you need a way to get Malicious in the grave. Since most people of gotten use to Stardust most people run cards that get around the whole stop destruction effect, so even if we puts you in a small hole it isn't that hard to get out of. Also what do you mean by "or possibly even more difficult, TRA"?

 

Stardust should be banned if he was a level four effect monster, the thing is, he isn't, but how would this make the Malicious combo worse?

 

Also you never said what makes this unacceptable.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

Yes synchro can aid the ending of a duel quickly now' date=' but that is the thing. NOW. This is a different meta and saying what they can do in one doesn't apply to another one. Also their isn't a single card since you are forgetting that you need a way to get Malicious in the grave. Since most people of gotten use to Stardust most people run cards that get around the whole stop destruction effect, so even if we puts you in a small hole it isn't that hard to get out of. Also what do you mean by "or possibly even more difficult, TRA"?[/quote']

Yes, NOW synchros are powerful, and in this meta THEY WOULD BE EVEN WORSE since the power crawl has been set back in general and the synchros would be considered powerful in their own right. You'd need to use 2-3 cards to get rid of Stardust, and your opponent didn't use a single one summoning it.

 

What's the best and most commonly used way of disposing of stardust? Why, it's Phoenix Wing Wind Blast. Which not only has a discard cost, but is also a trap. Meaning your opponent has to waste a whole turn getting rid of that stardust and putting him at a severe disadvantage.

 

My other comment was saying that they could also summon Thought Ruler Archfiend, which depending on your opponent's opening hand could be even more difficult to get rid of.

 

Stardust should be banned if he was a level four effect monster' date=' the thing is, he isn't, but how would this make the Malicious combo worse?[/quote']

Why would he be unacceptable as a level four? Because you can summon him without any loss of advantage? AKA, the same thing Malicious does? The Malicious combo is worse for the game than a 4-star stardust because it doesn't even use your normal summon. If you think that Stardust is banworthy as a summon-from-hand monster, then you must think that Malicious should be limited... thinking otherwise would be ridiculous.

 

Also you never said what makes this unacceptable.

 

Same thing that would make a level-four effect stardust (or colossal, or TRA, or RDA...) banworthy.

[Flame Dragon]

Yes synchro can aid the ending of a duel quickly now' date=' but that is the thing. NOW. This is a different meta and saying what they can do in one doesn't apply to another one. Also their isn't a single card since you are forgetting that you need a way to get Malicious in the grave. Since most people of gotten use to Stardust most people run cards that get around the whole stop destruction effect, so even if we puts you in a small hole it isn't that hard to get out of. Also what do you mean by "or possibly even more difficult, TRA"?[/quote']

Yes, NOW synchros are powerful, and in this meta THEY WOULD BE EVEN WORSE since the power crawl has been set back in general and the synchros would be considered powerful in their own right. You'd need to use 2-3 cards to get rid of Stardust, and your opponent didn't use a single one summoning it.

 

What's the best and most commonly used way of disposing of stardust? Why, it's Phoenix Wing Wind Blast. Which not only has a discard cost, but is also a trap. Meaning your opponent has to waste a whole turn getting rid of that stardust and putting him at a severe disadvantage.

 

My other comment was saying that they could also summon Thought Ruler Archfiend, which depending on your opponent's opening hand could be even more difficult to get rid of.

PWWB is one of the main ways, but you seem to forget that you can simply run over Stardust to get rid of him. This is simple enough thanks to Goyo.

 

Also another way nice way to get rid of him, and most other synchros, is Grand Mole. Also Caius and Raiza are both effective ways of getting rid of Stardust.

 

How is TRA harder to get rid of if his effect is limited to Spell and Traps that target?

 

Stardust should be banned if he was a level four effect monster' date=' the thing is, he isn't, but how would this make the Malicious combo worse?[/quote']

Why would he be unacceptable as a level four? Because you can summon him without any loss of advantage? AKA, the same thing Malicious does? The Malicious combo is worse for the game than a 4-star stardust because it doesn't even use your normal summon. If you think that Stardust is banworthy as a summon-from-hand monster, then you must think that Malicious should be limited... thinking otherwise would be ridiculous.

You do lose advantage since, unless you use one of the 3 cards Pika listed before, you need to use a card to dump Malicious. Also the reason Stardust should be banned if it was a level 4 effect monster are

1) The only way to get rid of him is the spin him, but unlike the synchro version, he can just be resummoned your next turn.

2) It still has 2500 ATK. If that was, lets say, 1600 then no he shouldn't be banned

 

Also you never said what makes this unacceptable.

 

Same thing that would make a level-four effect stardust (or colossal' date=' or TRA, or RDA...) banworthy.

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Them being level 4 and them being the level they are now are to very different things. What makes them unacceptable now.

[iAmNateXero]

I just find it entirely funny that Malicious here is the problem. Clearly Malicious is not enough of a problem to ban it. And its not bad at 2. Its bad at 3 because its "lolFodder" But Teleport is not punished at all? Is Krebons so much a problem that its bad for the game? Is Psychic commander bad for the game? Is mind master bad for the game? But What if i can make easy use of a card through a quick play spell card with no cost, and usually no negative effect.

 

ITT: Malicious is bad in Tele(Insert Win condition monster here) not eTeleport.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

E-Tele has use outside of that broken combo as a legit psychic toolbox card. Malicious on the other hand promotes nothing of value.

[iAmNateXero]

I forgot, Summoning a mind protector to get it removed is pro.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

Are you saying that E-Tele is bad in psychics? You're insane.

[iAmNateXero]

Im saying that Teleport is used for Synhcro summoning purposes and is abusable. Much more abusable than malicious in any deck.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

It's not abusable without Malicious. Just a good card. You still need to supply the synchro material as opposed to Malicious where it just pops out of thin air.

[iAmNateXero]

Your absolutly correct, my bad. I just forgot about TeleGigaplant, TeleDarkworld, you know, Tele(insert easily special summonable 5-6 star monster)

[GenzoTheHarpist]

You know what makes all those things different? You actually have to work, lose cards, give up advantage etc. Malicious just produces synchros with little or no loss of advantage.