GenzoTheHarpist Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 I feel my skills have advanced to the point where I can create a good banlist. I don't want to deal heavily with OCG-only cards since my experience is mostly IRL but i'll hit some of the most notable ones. I'm willing to discuss any and all choices here. So without further ado, here it is: I. Forbidden CardsYou cannot use these cards in your Deck, Extra Deck or Side Deck. ARCANA FORCE EX - THE DARK RULERARCANA FORCE XXI - THE WORLD ARMED SAMURAI BEN-KEIBLACK LUSTER SOLDIER - ENVOY OF THE BEGINNINGBLASTING THE RUINSBRAIN CONTROLBREAKER THE MAGICAL WARRIORBUTTERFLY DAGGER - ELMACARD OF SAFE RETURNCALL OF THE HAUNTEDCHANGE OF HEARTCHAOS EMPEROR DRAGON - ENVOY OF THE ENDCHAOS SORCERERCHIMERATECH OVERDRAGONCHIMERATECH FORTRESS DRAGONCONFISCATIONCRUSH CARD VIRUSCYBER DRAGONCYBER END DRAGONCYBER TWIN DRAGONCYBER JARCYBER-STEINDARK ARMED DRAGONDARK HOLEDARK MAGICIAN OF CHAOSDELINQUENT DUODEMISE KING OF ARMAGGEDONDESTINY HERO - DISK COMMANDERDIMENSION FUSIONEXCHANGE OF THE SPIRITEXODIA THE FORBIDDEN ONEFIBER JARGRACEFUL CHARITYGREEN BABOON, DEFENDER OF THE FORESTGLADIATOR BEAST GYZARUSGORZ THE EMISSARY OF DARKNESSGOLD SARCOPHAGUSHARPIE'S FEATHER DUSTERIMPERIAL ORDERIMPERIAL IRON WALLINFERNO TEMPESTINFERNO RECKLESS SUMMONJUDGMENT DRAGONLAST TURNLAST WILLLIFE EQUALIZERMACHINE DUPLICATIONMAGICAL EXPLOSIONMAGICAL SCIENTISTMAKYURA THE DESTRUCTORMIRAGE OF NIGHTMAREMONSTER REBORNMORPHING JARNOBLEMAN OF CROSSOUTPAINFUL CHOICEPHANTOM OF CHAOSPOT OF GREEDPREMATURE BURIALRAIGEKIRESCUE CAT RETURN FROM THE DIFFERENT DIMENSIONREVERSAL QUIZRING OF DESTRUCTIONSANGANSELF-DESTRUCT BUTTONSINISTER SERPENTSNATCH STEALSNIPE HUNTERSPIRIT REAPERTHE FORCEFUL SENTRYTHOUSAND-EYES RESTRICTTIME SEALTREEBORN FROGTRIBE-INFECTING VIRUSUNITED WE STANDULTIMATE OFFERINGTSUKUYOMIVICTORY DRAGONWITCH OF THE BLACK FORESTYATA-GARASU NEW! - Arcana Force EX - The Dark Ruler, Arcana Force XXI - The World, Breaker The Magical Warrior, Rescue Cat, Gorz the Emissary of Darkness, Dark Armed Dragon, Judgment Dragon, Card of Safe Return, Crush Card Virus, Treeborn Frog, Demise King of Armageddon, Brain Control, Nobleman of Crossout, Cyber Dragon, Cyber Twin Dragon, Cyber End Dragon, Chimeratech Overdragon, Chimeratech Fortress Dragon, Phantom of Chaos, Gladiator Beast Gyzarus, Spirit Reaper, Snipe Hunter, Gold Sarcophagus, Inferno Tempest, Blasting the Ruins, Magical Explosion, Life Equalizer, Armed Samurai Ben-Kei, Ultimate Offering, Return From the Different Dimension, Sangan, Exodia the Forbidden One, United We Stand, Imperial Iron Wall, Self-Destruct Button, Reversal Quiz, Machine Duplication, Inferno Reckless Summon, Morphing Jar II. Limited CardsYou can ONLY use one of the following cards in the Deck, Extra Deck & Side Deck combined. CARD DESTRUCTIONCHAIN STRIKECEASEFIREDESTINY HERO - MALICIOUSELEMENTAL HERO STRATOSFLINT LOCKGIANT TRUNADEGRAVITY BINDGREEN BABOON DEFENDER OF THE FORESTHEAVY STORMLEVEL LIMIT - AREA BLIMITER REMOVALMAGIC CYLINDERMEGAMORPHMIRROR FORCENIGHT ASSAILANTOJAMA TRIOTHE TRANSMIGRATION PROPHECYTRAP DUSTSHOOTTWIN-HEADED BEHEMOTH NEW! - Chain Strike, Destiny Hero - Malicious, Flint Lock III. Semi-Limited CardsYou can ONLY use two of the following cards in the Deck, Extra Deck & Side Deck combined. (None) NO LONGER LIMITED - Book of Moon, Foolish Burial, Magical Stone Excavation, Manticore of Darkness, Mask of Darkness, Necroface, D.D. Warrior Lady, Metamorphosis, Advanced Ritual Art, Future Fusion, Raiza the Storm Monarch, Reasoning, Monster Gate, Neo-Spacian Grand Mole, Mystical Space Typhoon, Scapegoat, Marshmallon, Smashing Ground, Fissure, Swords of Revealing Light, Wall of Revealing Light, Card Trooper, Magician of Faith, Mind Crush, All Exodia Limbs, Torrential Tribute, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 3 Card Trooper3 Machine Duplication3 Reversal Quiz3 Wall of Revealing Light3 Self-Destruct ButtonNo ItemsFox OnlyFinal Destination Why on earth is Green Baboon banned? And why won't you people start killing X-Saber Airbellum instead of Rescue Cat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 I dont like the idea of Machine Duplication at 3 as well as Card Trooper. Ban Dup or Limit Trooper. Personally, I would ban Dup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SephirothKirby Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Self Destruct Button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Destiny Hero - Malicious is listed as being at 1, but isn't their. Also why is he at 1? The highest he should go is two. Also Morphing Jar and Megamorph shouldn't be at 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Armed Samurai Ben-Kei... Destiny Hero - Malicious... limited... why not just ban malicious? o.O but full explanation of Ben-Kei is needed... now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 why not just ban malicious? o.O Why ban Malicious? You wouldn't suggest banning Shapesnatch' date=' would you? but full explanation of Ben-Kei is needed... now! Three letters: OTK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted January 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 3 Card Trooper3 Machine Duplication3 Reversal Quiz3 Wall of Revealing Light3 Self-Destruct ButtonNo ItemsFox OnlyFinal Destination Why on earth is Green Baboon banned? And why won't you people start killing X-Saber Airbellum instead of Rescue Cat? Thanks for the tip, I knew I was forgetting a few. I couldn't remember Reversal Quiz's name though. And people, what is up with the "Malicious must be banned" nonsense? Is he somehow banworthy even at one? I don't see it. NEW: Ban Self-Destruct ButtonBan Reversal QuizBan Machine DuplicationBan Inferno Reckless Summon (it's an OTK machine)Limit Green Baboon (had his effect confused with something else.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 why not just ban malicious? o.O Why ban Malicious? You wouldn't suggest banning Shapesnatch' date=' would you? but full explanation of Ben-Kei is needed... now! Three letters: OTK. Malicious is an arguable 3 or 0 card. 1 malicious is laughable. Who would deck it? Nobody smart is who. So because Ben Kei should be punish simply because lolatkequips exist? o.O And this is fine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 why not just ban malicious? o.O Why ban Malicious? You wouldn't suggest banning Shapesnatch' date=' would you? but full explanation of Ben-Kei is needed... now! Three letters: OTK. Malicious is an arguable 3 or 0 card. 1 malicious is laughable. Who would deck it? Nobody smart is who. Last time I checked, "nobody would use it" is not a banworthy offense. Shall we ban Larvae Moth and Shapesnatch on the grounds that nobody would use them either? Cards should be allowed in as many copies as possible that do not damage the game. I'd love to hear your explanation for how 1 Malicious damages the game. So because Ben Kei should be punish simply because lolatkequips exist? o.O And this is fine? Ben Kei exists solely to OTK. That is all he can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Cards should be allowed in as many copies as possible that do not damage the game. I'd love to hear your explanation for how 1 Malicious damages the game.How is 1 Exodia the forbidden one damaging to the game? If its its game winning mechanic, than for the games sake we must ban Final count down, and Destiny board too! Or is it more disgraceful to have to look at 4 normal monsters on a ban list? Is that it? I would also like to read how 2 Malicious is damaging to the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Cards should be allowed in as many copies as possible that do not damage the game. I'd love to hear your explanation for how 1 Malicious damages the game.How is 1 Exodia the forbidden one damaging to the game? If its its game winning mechanic' date=' than for the games sake we must ban Final count down, and Destiny board too! Or is it more disgraceful to have to look at 4 normal monsters on a ban list? Is that it? I would also like to read how 2 Malicious is damaging to the game.[/quote'] Nice job dodging the question and randomly jumping to unrelated topics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Thats because you already knew the answer, 1 malicious isn't damaging to the game. Since I know your Intelligent enough to know this, I began to ask my own questions. PS, Nice job dodging the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZombieCombo Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 this might be more screwed up than my list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 this might be more screwed up than my list. No, yours is pretty screwed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZombieCombo Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 but would you agree that this 1 is also messed up?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 this might be more screwed up than my list. Yours is really screwed up. but would you agree that this 1 is also messed up?? This list is much better than the crap Konami came up with. As for this list. Why isnt Darklord Zerato banned? It is a 2800 ATK Raigeki with legs that is cheap and easy to summon. Raigeki as any good player knows is very bad for the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZombieCombo Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 w/e, shouldn be allure, charge of light brigade, or some other cards be in the list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 w/e' date=' shouldn be allure, charge of light brigade, or some other cards be in the list?[/quote'] Stop throwing out random cards to be banned or limited, and actually think about the game. Also, the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted January 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 why not just ban malicious? o.O Why ban Malicious? You wouldn't suggest banning Shapesnatch' date=' would you? but full explanation of Ben-Kei is needed... now! Three letters: OTK. Malicious is an arguable 3 or 0 card. 1 malicious is laughable. Who would deck it? Nobody smart is who. So because Ben Kei should be punish simply because lolatkequips exist? o.O And this is fine?Hah, Malicious is 3 or 0? It's one of the only cards that could conceivably be a 3, 2, or 1, but never zero. Because for it to go to zero, it would first have to go to one, at which point it would have no reason to go further. It's not at two on the other hand because that would allow ridiculous synchro summoning and give this list many of the current format's problems. Final Countdown and Destiny Board are acceptable because it takes skilled play to either stall out twenty turns, or protect the board from any threat to it. It takes no skill to simply draw a card (exodia) though. On Darklord Zerato, it has restrictions similar to pot of avarice so i'll have to give it some thought.w/e' date=' shouldn be allure, charge of light brigade, or some other cards be in the list?[/quote'] No, they shouldn't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 why not just ban malicious? o.O Why ban Malicious? You wouldn't suggest banning Shapesnatch' date=' would you? but full explanation of Ben-Kei is needed... now! Three letters: OTK. Malicious is an arguable 3 or 0 card. 1 malicious is laughable. Who would deck it? Nobody smart is who. So because Ben Kei should be punish simply because lolatkequips exist? o.O And this is fine?Hah, Malicious is 3 or 0? It's one of the only cards that could conceivably be a 3, 2, or 1, but never zero. Because for it to go to zero, it would first have to go to one, at which point it would have no reason to go further. It's not at two on the other hand because that would allow ridiculous synchro summoning and give this list many of the current format's problems. Final Countdown and Destiny Board are acceptable because it takes skilled play to either stall out twenty turns, or protect the board from any threat to it. It takes no skill to simply draw a card (exodia) though. On Darklord Zerato, it has restrictions similar to pot of avarice so i'll have to give it some thought. It in no way has restrictions that are similar to Pot of Avarice. Even on a good list it can still be summoned by other means. The Dark Creator, Escape from the Dark Dimension, D.D.R., The Creator. Unlike Pot of Avarice, Darklord Zerato can get around those restrictions quite easily. Sure, you can get around the cost of Pot of Avarice, but that means is an acceptable drawback. DLZ's is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted January 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Alright then. You may have a point. I've always thought he seemed broken but I guess other cards just went over him in my mind. Darklord Zerato banned. I don't feel very comfortable about Diamond Dude's effect and the way it bypasses spell restrictions, especially aided by Plaguespreader Zombie. Does anybody think he's worth banlist attention? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 I don't feel very comfortable about Diamond Dude's effect and the way it bypasses spell restrictions' date=' especially aided by Plaguespreader Zombie. Does anybody think he's worth banlist attention?[/quote'] You cant use the effect of that Spell until next turn and with the banworthy targets gone (Dimension Fusion most notably), I dont see it as a real problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SephirothKirby Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 HAY GUYS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT MY DECK (Diamond City) I don't think either deserves to be banned, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted January 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 I don't feel very comfortable about Diamond Dude's effect and the way it bypasses spell restrictions' date=' especially aided by Plaguespreader Zombie. Does anybody think he's worth banlist attention?[/quote'] You cant use the effect of that Spell until next turn and with the banworthy targets gone (Dimension Fusion most notably), I dont see it as a real problem. Well you have targets like Ojama Delta Hurricane!! and the like, which were dead draws in previous DD decks, but with Plaguespreader you can put the dead draws on top for a guaranteed field wipe. So some of the more devastating spells that saw no use in say, DDT, could be lethal with the new cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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