Psycho Shocker Android Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 GB aren't the worst thing to happen to YGO. GB are perfectly balanced exept for 1 card. (some might say 2) That card is Gyzarus btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Royal Oppression is a good way to stop GBs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 (some might say 2) What's the second card that some people bizarrely believe to be a problem somehow? I've heard people complain about Prisma, Test Tiger, Bestiari, Darius, Heraklinos, and War Chariot, and with Samnite coming soon I'll probably start hearing complaints about Samnite and Rescue Cat at some point too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevalier Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Gladiator Beats are one of the best things to happen to this game.They're the first ArcheType to go that far. They're cheap and involve strategy.A SJC winner running TeleDAD could lose to any smart player in a mirror match. That's how bad this format is. Glads were the Deck of '08, and hopefully rebound in '09. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Shocker Android Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 (some might say 2) What's the second card that some people bizarrely believe to be a problem somehow? I've heard people complain about Prisma' date=' Test Tiger, Bestiari, Darius, Heraklinos, and War Chariot, and with Samnite coming soon I'll probably start hearing complaints about Samnite and Rescue Cat at some point too.[/quote'] test tiger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crimson King Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Royal Oppression is a good way to stop GBs...Seriously. The last time I dueled you, you just oppressioned my GB's(which proves that my Anti Meta deck is worth a second look even though it doesn't win the locals and only gets to the top 8 ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevalier Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 (some might say 2) What's the second card that some people bizarrely believe to be a problem somehow? I've heard people complain about Prisma' date=' Test Tiger, Bestiari, Darius, Heraklinos, and War Chariot, and with Samnite coming soon I'll probably start hearing complaints about Samnite and Rescue Cat at some point too.[/quote'] test tiger He mentioned Test Tiger. :\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 (some might say 2) What's the second card that some people bizarrely believe to be a problem somehow? I've heard people complain about Prisma' date=' Test Tiger, Bestiari, Darius, Heraklinos, and War Chariot, and with Samnite coming soon I'll probably start hearing complaints about Samnite and Rescue Cat at some point too.[/quote'] test tiger He mentioned Test Tiger. :\ This whole thing with you misreading every bloody post in every bloody topic is getting out of hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazer Yoshi Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 No where near overpowered or Overused.This Thread is now about Herbert the Last Dinosaur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 (some might say 2) What's the second card that some people bizarrely believe to be a problem somehow? I've heard people complain about Prisma' date=' Test Tiger, Bestiari, Darius, Heraklinos, and War Chariot, and with Samnite coming soon I'll probably start hearing complaints about Samnite and Rescue Cat at some point too.[/quote'] test tiger He mentioned Test Tiger. :\ This whole thing with you misreading every bloody post in every bloody topic is getting out of hand. As out of hand as Andrew? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 (some might say 2) What's the second card that some people bizarrely believe to be a problem somehow? I've heard people complain about Prisma' date=' Test Tiger, Bestiari, Darius, Heraklinos, and War Chariot, and with Samnite coming soon I'll probably start hearing complaints about Samnite and Rescue Cat at some point too.[/quote'] test tiger He mentioned Test Tiger. :\ This whole thing with you misreading every bloody post in every bloody topic is getting out of hand. As out of hand as Andrew? At least Andrew is actually funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Are you saying that Chevalier is worse than Andrew? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Are you saying that Chevalier is worse than Andrew? Both consistently make idiots of themselves, but at least Andrew is entertaining when he does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevalier Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Crab, I'm glad you live in a happy little bubble of ignorant bliss, but being a mod of TCG/Your Deck on this site means absolutely nothing. When it comes down to knowledge of the game, deck building, and dueling you're 2-0'd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Are you kidding me? He's the Mod of this section because of his skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevalier Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 As a man with one eye would rule over blind people.He's a mod @ YCM. Gratz. Skill isn't criticizing Konami, making up BS ban lists, and not being realistic. Skill is playing the current game and not complaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Skill is playing the current game and not complaining.Their is no skill in the current game. Just look at the last SJ. Like 12 decks were just about carbon copies of eachother. This should show you that their is something wrong with how the meta is going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Shocker Android Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Skill is playing the current game and not complaining.Their is no skill in the current game. Just look at the last SJ. Like 12 decks were just about carbon copies of eachother. This should show you that their is something wrong with how the meta is going. Flame Dragon you clearly have no skill then. Why are the skilled YGO players doing great if there is no skill involved in the current game. OTK formats require a lot of skill to compete in them. First, you have to know when to go all out. If you don't, you won't OTK and you'll get murdered right after. Second, you have to know how to survive, bluff gorz, when to solemn... in other words how to play WELL defensively. Have you ever wonder why some tele-DAD players do so well in the mirror matches? Plus you have to play against the anti-meta decks who are loaded with the best ways to control the game so that they don't lose to an OTK. You have to know how to play around their cards and how to bait them. And if you are playing one of these anti-meta decks you need skill or else you'll get creamed. You have to make reads to know when your opponent has a good hand or a weak one so that you act acordingly. You have to know what moves to counter and what moves to let go through. Sure you might get OTKed fast a couple of times but it won't be every game. You won't always lose after your first turn. It might happen about 2 times during the whole tournament. This doesn't kill your chances at winning it. Besides that, the argument that the same decks are always winning isn't valid. This is how it's supposed to be. There are good decks and there are bad decks. Good decks win and bad decks lose. The same way good players win and bad players lose. I'm not saying there isn't something wrong with the meta. A lot of cards need to be dealt with. But even if the banlist would be a good banlist. You'd have something like 1 or 2 decks always winning with a couple rogue decks in the top. And these decks would be piloted by the good players out there. Luck will also always be a part of the game it's impossible to prevent all events from being won by a lucky draw. We can only reduce it's impact on the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 But even if the banlist would be a good banlist. You'd have something like 1 or 2 decks always winning with a couple rogue decks in the top. And these decks would be piloted by the good players out there. You keep insisting this but it's not true, in pre-PTDN formats (particularly before DDT) it wasn't uncommon for five or six decks to do equally well in the meta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Skill is playing the current game and not complaining.Their is no skill in the current game. Just look at the last SJ. Like 12 decks were just about carbon copies of eachother. This should show you that their is something wrong with how the meta is going. Flame Dragon you clearly have no skill then. Why are the skilled YGO players doing great if there is no skill involved in the current game.I don't have much skill at the game' date=' and that is part of the point. Give me a Tele-DAD deck and I can win very easily. Also who says they are skilled[/b']OTK formats require a lot of skill to compete in them. First, you have to know when to go all out. If you don't, you won't OTK and you'll get murdered right after. Second, you have to know how to survive, bluff gorz, when to solemn... in other words how to play WELL defensively. Have you ever wonder why some tele-DAD players do so well in the mirror matches?Yes, some OTKs require skill, but the ones that are ruling todays meta are very easy to do. How can you play well defensively when by the time you can fight back your opponent is already set up and ready to end the game during their first turn? The player that wins in a Tele-DAD mirror is the one with a better opening hand.Plus you have to play against the anti-meta decks who are loaded with the best ways to control the game so that they don't lose to an OTK. You have to know how to play around their cards and how to bait them.How many anti-meta decks made it to the top 16 in the last SJ? I don't think any. This is because by the time they set up their opponent is already in a place to winAnd if you are playing one of these anti-meta decks you need skill or else you'll get creamed. You have to make reads to know when your opponent has a good hand or a weak one so that you act acordingly. You have to know what moves to counter and what moves to let go through.See aboveSure you might get OTKed fast a couple of times but it won't be every game. You won't always lose after your first turn. It might happen about 2 times during the whole tournament. This doesn't kill your chances at winning it.from what I know of the meta, most games are over in the first 5 turns. This is fast, far too fastBesides that, the argument that the same decks are always winning isn't valid. This is how it's supposed to be. There are good decks and there are bad decks. Good decks win and bad decks lose. The same way good players win and bad players lose.No it's not. Yes good decks should be bad decks, but their is a difference between good decks winning and good decks dominating. As it is good decks, LS and GB are the first that come to mind, can't do crap because Tele-DAD decks are far to powerful I'm not saying there isn't something wrong with the meta. A lot of cards need to be dealt with. But even if the banlist would be a good banlist. You'd have something like 1 or 2 decks always winning with a couple rogue decks in the top. And these decks would be piloted by the good players out there.No. In a good ban list we should have several different decks at the top, not just 2, or 1 in the case of the current meta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 How many anti-meta decks made it to the top 16 in the last SJ? I don't think any. This is because by the time they set up their opponent is already in a place to win 1 Oppression Monarch did in the last one. SJC San Francisco' date=' January 10, 2009, top 16 Decklists[/url'] He didn't make the top 8 though. 1 Gadget deck in the SJC before too.SJC Detroit, December 6, 2008, top 16 Decklists This one also did not make the top 8. 0 in Shonen Jump Atlanta.SJC Atlant, November 22, 2008, top 16 Decklists And overall, I don't consider a deck teching Vanity's Fiend or Thunder King Raiou to be "anti-meta decks" in the same way I don't consider DAD and LS decks that main Plaguespreader to be "Zombie" decks. On-topic: Psycho Shocker Android's post is pretty much 100% wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanAtlus Posted January 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Well, I still think the Gladdies are hard to defeat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Knight Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Skill is playing the current game and not complaining.Their is no skill in the current game. Just look at the last SJ. Like 12 decks were just about carbon copies of eachother. This should show you that their is something wrong with how the meta is going.Reminds me of the Chaos decks back In the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megaworm Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Epic. DevArt Furries + YGO = gladiator beast decks. It's to be expected dude. Just learn how to cope. Skill is playing the current game and not complaining.Their is no skill in the current game. Just look at the last SJ. Like 12 decks were just about carbon copies of eachother. This should show you that their is something wrong with how the meta is going.Reminds me of the Chaos decks back In the day.Chaos decks were WAAAAAAY better because then people werent forced to run crappy cards. You could've run 3 Raigekis, 3 Pot Of Greeds, 3 Harpies Feather Dusters, ect. Who gave a sheet about Dust Tornado or even a theme? Themes kindof ruined the brokeness of cards to begin with, because in order for themes to exist, alot of the spashable cards had to die.It was as i called, Metahell, my favorite tournament scene. Then yata reared it's ugly ass head and gave Konami/UDE a reason to create the banlist. Damn you Yata you bastard, you are no better than Destiny Hero Malicious, except a clause in his effect causes him to not be BANNED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 It takes skill to play this game whether people realize it or not. To say there is no skill amongst TeleDAD players is 100% LOLable. Does it ever sink in with all the non tournament players, or Virtual players that out of the Tens and hundreds of people who turn up at Tournaments that Half of them play with tier decks? And that only 8 (regional)-16 (jumps) only about 3/4 of those numbers are TeleDAD although probably 60% give ore take participate with TeleDAD? What happened to those TeleDAD decks? Why don't they win like the rest? Some will say Bad deck making, others will say poor side board. The answer is skill. The skill level is what takes people to the tops, and its skill that keeps them there. Not to say every skill is a good skill (Adam Corn's being Cheating) but skills is what seperates good decks and bad decks. I use to play TeleDAD and the only reason I stopped is because ive come to the realization that there is no way in the world I could drop everything to play at Nationals nor could I continue to play hours of a bad game against mirror matches. I miss the unoriginality of the game. However I don't belive it is right to dismiss skill with dislike whether its Jealousy or envy. Because lets all admit, if we all owned 2 DADs, 3 Teleports, 3 Malicious, and 3 D draws, we'd all try the deck at least once, and your lying if you said you wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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