Saturn of Elemia Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 actually I count the very last one as legitimate loss since Rafael made no illegal moves or anything' date=' not to mention Yugi had played his legendary dragon before getting the seal from him[/quote'] I didn't see the second duel with Rafael. I only saw the first duel in the canyon where Yami lost. Is that the one you're talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 exactly. During the second one Rafael was the one who played the seal, not Yami Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn of Elemia Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 exactly. During the second one Rafael was the one who played the seal' date=' not Yami[/quote'] THAT is one of the two duels that I consider as a LEGITIMATE loss for Yami - the other being to Yugi at the very end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 yeah well technically since most of the duels didn't follow the rules it means Yami cheated for all his victories also and therefore they shouldn't count either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn of Elemia Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 yeah well technically since most of the duels didn't follow the rules it means Yami cheated for all his victories also and therefore they shouldn't count either Which comes back to my wonderfully hilarious theory of the Millennium Puzzle's ability being able to make any card magically float to the top of Yami's deck right when he needs it. =P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 yeah well plenty of his enemies can do that too, and they don't require Yugi's heart of the cards belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn of Elemia Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 yeah well plenty of his enemies can do that too' date=' and they don't require Yugi's heart of the cards belief.[/quote'] That's probably because they stoop so low as to ACTUALLY cheat (i.e. stack their Deck or slip a card from their sleeve into their hand when the hero/heroine is distracted). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 not all, plenty have played legitimately against Yugi and got the cards they needed (just not the ending they wanted) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn of Elemia Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 not all' date=' plenty have played legitimately against Yugi and got the cards they needed (just not the ending they wanted)[/quote'] I'll give you that one. (a.k.a. Marik) [Haven't seen past much past BC, so I don't know of many of the ORIGINAL YGO villains] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 for that one against Yami some say it only made the show fit that he got Ra in his hand on the first turn. Normally the chances of that are too slim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn of Elemia Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 for that one against Yami some say it only made the show fit that he got Ra in his hand on the first turn. Normally the chances of that are too slim Yeah. It wouldn't surprise me if he had Ra up his sleeve and placed it on top of his Deck on the way back to his spot on the field after Yami shuffled it. Either that or he'd say something like "This card is my soul and will always come to me when I need it"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 possible, but with everyone watching, I doubt he really did that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn of Elemia Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 possible' date=' but with everyone watching, I doubt he really did that[/quote'] Maybe with a quick throw of his cape, he'd have that small window of opportunity to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 which if you recall from ep 138 right before the duel began, he didn't do anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 Guys stop going off on a tangent. Only talk about why effects had to be changed, not everything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 which continues to remain for the sake of fitting the show (this applies for all animes anyway) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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