Is there a point to religion?

[problematica]

There is no reason or point for religion. Religion is something you believe. That doesn't mean it's real.

 

That also doesn't mean there's no point to it...

 

... so we continue to offer our blood and sweat to an non-entity' date=' knowin' fully well that the non-entity is that... a non-entity?

[/quote']

 

People merely use religion as a reason for them helping others. Is there really a problem with that? So what if they believe in something you don't? That doesn't make them evil or wrong, merely different.

What's so wrong with a difference in opinion that so many are vehemently against religion?

[Metal Lord]

I actually say 'BULL' to that. I've seen quite a few lorries saying 'Christian aid' going around my town' date=' going off to places to give food and other things to some poor souls. Tell me THAT's pointless.

 

Religion is good for these people who need help, physically, mentally and spiritually. As the Bible says ;

'Woe to those who think good is evil.'

 

In 2008, I went on a spiritual journey which made me a better Christian, thus a better person. If religion is pointless and stupid, then how has it done me so good?[/i']

 

Belief in X' existence =/= X' existence.

 

People could donate food to the poor without believing in God.

 

People could be better citizens without believing in God.

 

People could achieve what is thought as impossible without believing in God.

 

If people could do such, why need God?

 

"People could be better citizens without believing in God." Then why aren't they? In a study, believing in God does make you a better person.

 

 

"People could donate food to the poor without believing in God." Then why do they not? It's not just people, but the churches who specifically set up funds to do these things. Christian aid is from stuff like this: Take away the church, you lose people who go, thus you lose donations.

 

"If people could do such, why need God?" You've missed out on the bigger picture completely. The reason so many scientists are turning back to Christianity is because there is such order in the universe, impossible to maintain in a God-less one.

It is also God whom inspires such hope:

 

"You, you amaze us all with the hope that you bring, it could save us all from the war."

There is no reason or point for religon. Religon is something you believe. That doesn't mean it's real.

 

In my view' date=' athieism is a religion. What is religion?

 

Arguement 1: Something you believe in.

 

Thus, you can never abolish religion. I could rule the world and say "athieisim is illegal" but that wouldn't change your mind. You still wouldn't believe a word I told you.

 

[b']Lemme ask you a question:[/b]

 

Imagine, i stand in front of you. In my hand, there is a flower; the most beautiful flower you've ever seen. You can smell it, hear it, touch it, see it, Hell, you could even taste it. Then I close my hand, and bury it (and the flower) deep in my pocket where no one could get it-- not even you.

 

Does it make it any less real then a moment ago, when you could see it?

 

Next, a man walks up. You describe the flower to him in perfect detail and that I have it now.

But he says "I don't believe you- it's too good to be true," and walks off.

 

Does it make it any less real then a moment ago, when you could see it?

 

Imagine now the flower is the point of religion. You are the person who walked on by and I am the character telling you about the flower.

 

Does it make it any less real then a moment ago, when you could see it?

 

Why did you not believe me?

 

BECAUSE YOU WERE NEVER WILLING TO LISTEN.

 

Does it make it any less real then a moment ago, when you could see it?

 

No. But I will always believe it is real. Why?

 

Because I've been shown the flower that is God's gift:

The gift of religion. The gift of hope.

The flower.

[Tabris]

"People could be better citizens without believing in God." Then why aren't they? In a study, believing in God does make you a better person.

 

I said COULD not SHOULD. I'm not forcin' people to become better citizens; becomin' one is a choice they choose.

 

"If people could do such, why need God?" You've missed out on the bigger picture completely. The reason so many scientists are turning back to Christianity is because there is such order in the universe, impossible to maintain in a God-less one.

 

Earthling chauvinists. Obviously, being at the bottom of a deep gravity well, encirclin' a star that is due to explode in a few billion years, surrounded by millions of rocks that could very well destroy us, all the while experiencing every sort of calamity imaginable - from earthquakes to tsunamis to whatever... that obviously is order. Right.

 

It is also God whom inspires such hope:

 

"You, you amaze us all with the hope that you bring, it could save us all from the war."

 

Hope =/= truth. Never was and never will.

 

too poetic to be italicized

 

Yes, yes, true dat.

 

However, equatin' God to a flower, indeed a very beautiful one, is a farce as far as I could reason out.

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There is no reason or point for religion. Religion is something you believe. That doesn't mean it's real.

 

That also doesn't mean there's no point to it...

 

... so we continue to offer our blood and sweat to an non-entity' date=' knowin' fully well that the non-entity is that... a non-entity?

[/quote']

 

People merely use religion as a reason for them helping others. Is there really a problem with that? So what if they believe in something you don't? That doesn't make them evil or wrong, merely different.

What's so wrong with a difference in opinion that so many are vehemently against religion?

 

Note that I am not discussin' about hope, problematica. What I discuss about is truth, and as per truth, God is a big lie.

[problematica]

"People could be better citizens without believing in God." Then why aren't they? In a study' date=' believing in God does make you a better person. [/i']

 

I said COULD not SHOULD. I'm not forcin' people to become better citizens; becomin' one is a choice they choose.

 

"If people could do such, why need God?" You've missed out on the bigger picture completely. The reason so many scientists are turning back to Christianity is because there is such order in the universe, impossible to maintain in a God-less one.

 

Earthling chauvinists. Obviously, being at the bottom of a deep gravity well, encirclin' a star that is due to explode in a few billion years, surrounded by millions of rocks that could very well destroy us, all the while experiencing every sort of calamity imaginable - from earthquakes to tsunamis to whatever... that obviously is order. Right.

 

It is also God whom inspires such hope:

 

"You, you amaze us all with the hope that you bring, it could save us all from the war."

 

Hope =/= truth. Never was and never will.

 

too poetic to be italicized

 

Yes, yes, true dat.

 

However, equatin' God to a flower, indeed a very beautiful one, is a farce as far as I could reason out.

 

Yes, people could do nearly anything whether they believe in God or not, but it's the people who are good that believe in God that are more abundant than the good who do not.

 

Do you know what causes these calamaties? They happen for a reason. God made or not, there is a reaction for every action, basic physics. These cause a natural order of the maintanence of energy and mass. And what does our position in the universe have to do with a lack of order?

 

Many were hoping to win various wars throughout history, pretty sure about half of them were right.

Many were hoping for a new toy on Christmas, lots of them were right.

Lack of Hope =/= Truth.

 

How is reasoning one thing to another being a farce? The flower and God work as a great example. The person who sees the flower serves as the messengers or Prophets from God, such as Jesus and Abraham. He tells of the flower to others who either do or do not believe him. Both work as someone telling of something, but he has no physical evidence to prove it just as those who do not believe have no physical evidence to prove otherwise.

[Bakura Vessal]

I actually say 'BULL' to that. I've seen quite a few lorries saying 'Christian aid' going around my town' date=' going off to places to give food and other things to some poor souls. Tell me THAT's pointless.

 

Religion is good for these people who need help, physically, mentally and spiritually. As the Bible says ;

'Woe to those who think good is evil.'

 

In 2008, I went on a spiritual journey which made me a better Christian, thus a better person. If religion is pointless and stupid, then how has it done me so good?[/i']

 

Belief in X' existence =/= X' existence.

 

People could donate food to the poor without believing in God.

 

People could be better citizens without believing in God.

 

People could achieve what is thought as impossible without believing in God.

 

If people could do such, why need God?

 

"People could be better citizens without believing in God." Then why aren't they? In a study, believing in God does make you a better person.

 

 

"People could donate food to the poor without believing in God." Then why do they not? It's not just people, but the churches who specifically set up funds to do these things. Christian aid is from stuff like this: Take away the church, you lose people who go, thus you lose donations.

 

"If people could do such, why need God?" You've missed out on the bigger picture completely. The reason so many scientists are turning back to Christianity is because there is such order in the universe, impossible to maintain in a God-less one.

It is also God whom inspires such hope:

 

"You, you amaze us all with the hope that you bring, it could save us all from the war."

There is no reason or point for religon. Religon is something you believe. That doesn't mean it's real.

 

In my view' date=' athieism is a religion. What is religion?

 

Arguement 1: Something you believe in.

 

Thus, you can never abolish religion. I could rule the world and say "athieisim is illegal" but that wouldn't change your mind. You still wouldn't believe a word I told you.

 

[b']Lemme ask you a question:[/b]

 

Imagine, i stand in front of you. In my hand, there is a flower; the most beautiful flower you've ever seen. You can smell it, hear it, touch it, see it, Hell, you could even taste it. Then I close my hand, and bury it (and the flower) deep in my pocket where no one could get it-- not even you.

 

Does it make it any less real then a moment ago, when you could see it?

 

Next, a man walks up. You describe the flower to him in perfect detail and that I have it now.

But he says "I don't believe you- it's too good to be true," and walks off.

 

Does it make it any less real then a moment ago, when you could see it?

 

Imagine now the flower is the point of religion. You are the person who walked on by and I am the character telling you about the flower.

 

Does it make it any less real then a moment ago, when you could see it?

 

Why did you not believe me?

 

BECAUSE YOU WERE NEVER WILLING TO LISTEN.

 

Does it make it any less real then a moment ago, when you could see it?

 

No. But I will always believe it is real. Why?

 

Because I've been shown the flower that is God's gift:

The gift of religion. The gift of hope.

The flower.

I don't belive in god, but yet I donated 50$ to charity recently.

Beliving in god doesnt change being a better person or not. I know some rotton sods who are christian, and I know some athiests who are nice.

 

Religion doesn't do jack sheet, MOST christians just think they are better then everyone else, your a prime example.

 

So please, do us a favour and STFU and GTFO.

[problematica]

I don't belive in god' date=' but yet I donated 50$ to charity recently.

Beliving in god doesnt change being a better person or not. I know some rotton sods who are christian, and I know some athiests who are nice.

 

[b']What people do doesn't matter whether they are religious or not. Their choices are up to them. They can claim they're religious all they want, but that doesn't change whether they are nice or not.[/b]

 

Religion doesn't do jack s***, MOST christians just think they are better then everyone else, your a prime example.

 

Religion was a driving force that led to the founding of most nations. Also led to many advancements in technology.

All Anti-Theists think they are better than religious people because they just like to call theists idiots without actually making real points, you're a prime example.

 

So please, do us a favour and STFU and GTFO.

 

Why don't you?

[Tabris]

Yes, people could do nearly anything whether they believe in God or not, but it's the people who are good that believe in God that are more abundant than the good who do not.

 

... which means what exactly?

 

Do you know what causes these calamities? They happen for a reason. God made or not, there is a reaction for every action, basic physics.

 

... and that "action" is God? lolwut?

 

Many were hoping to win various wars throughout history, pretty sure about half of them were right.

Many were hoping for a new toy on Christmas, lots of them were right.

Lack of Hope =/= Truth.

 

Now you lost me.

 

How is reasoning one thing to another being a farce? The flower and God work as a great example. The person who sees the flower serves as the messengers or Prophets from God, such as Jesus and Abraham. He tells of the flower to others who either do or do not believe him. Both work as someone telling of something, but he has no physical evidence to prove it just as those who do not believe have no physical evidence to prove otherwise.

 

Yes, it's a beautiful piece, worthy for commendation from me, even as I do not believe. And by hell I understood what he was sayin' - and that is what I call a farce, because it urges me to believe in somethin' I have never ever seen, instead guidin' mine self through intuition and instinct.

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Also led to many advancements in technology.

 

Now I call foul on that part.

 

The papacy of the Middle Ages and the Renascence tried to stop, and later retarded, the advent of science in many fields, including medicine and astronomy. Today's papacy still tries to ebb the tide, what with their opposition to in vitro fertilization and stem cell research.

[problematica]

Yes, people could do nearly anything whether they believe in God or not, but it's the people who are good that believe in God that are more abundant than the good who do not.

 

... which means what exactly?

 

There are more good natured people who believe in God than there are those that don't.

 

Do you know what causes these calamities? They happen for a reason. God made or not, there is a reaction for every action, basic physics.

 

... and that "action" is God? lolwut?

 

No, I mean that things happen to keep a balance in the universe. There is a balance in everything, even science proves it.

 

Many were hoping to win various wars throughout history, pretty sure about half of them were right.

Many were hoping for a new toy on Christmas, lots of them were right.

Lack of Hope =/= Truth.

 

Now you lost me.

 

I'm saying that hope can end in truth, just as lack of hope can end up being false.

 

How is reasoning one thing to another being a farce? The flower and God work as a great example. The person who sees the flower serves as the messengers or Prophets from God, such as Jesus and Abraham. He tells of the flower to others who either do or do not believe him. Both work as someone telling of something, but he has no physical evidence to prove it just as those who do not believe have no physical evidence to prove otherwise.

 

Yes, it's a beautiful piece, worthy for commendation from me, even as I do not believe. And by hell I understood what he was sayin' - and that is what I call a farce, because it urges me to believe in somethin' I have never ever seen, instead guidin' mine self through intuition and instinct.

 

It's not urging anything. It's merely stating that there are those who do and do not believe in religion. The flower being seen by one person is similar to God only being seen by the chosen few. It doesn't necessarily mean that either one is right, merely that neither has evidence to prove it.

 

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Also led to many advancements in technology.

 

Now I call foul on that part.

 

The papacy of the Middle Ages and the Renascence tried to stop, and later retarded, the advent of science in many fields, including medicine and astronomy. Today's papacy still tries to ebb the tide, what with their opposition to in vitro fertilization and stem cell research.

 

Off the top of my head right now I can name a huge innovation, the Printing Press. Made largely for the mass production of the Bible.

And there are more religions than Christianity.

[MasterGrinch]

God is the only way to get your soul saved. People who think different are lost.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

Terrible rant that any competent person can see the answers to.

 

And if I recall, Christianity was about spreading god's will, not god himself. A person who does good will still get into heaven, as that's god's will. Of course, a few crazy preachers think otherwise, and of course they're the only ones who get any attention.

[Bakura Vessal]

God is the only way to get your soul saved. People who think different are lost.

 

I must be lost then, yay.

[problematica]

God is the only way to get your soul saved. People who think different are lost.

 

I do not approve this message.

Believe whatever the hell you want. If you are a good person, you'll be just fine whether there is a God or not.

I believe myself, but I really hate those who try to impose their religion like this.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

Master Grinch is a troll, I'm pretty sure. And it's usually trolls that pretend to be the stereotypical Christian that gives them bad reps.

[Tabris]

There are more good natured people who believe in God than there are those that don't.

 

... which in turn vindicates the belief that the best religion in the world is Pastafarianism, because The Flyin' Spaghetti Monster's adherents are pacifists... good, I should become a Pastafarian then!

 

No, I mean that things happen to keep a balance in the universe. There is a balance in everything, even science proves it.

 

So then, the reason why mine cup of tea from the table to the floor is that mine cup of tea is unbalanced? lolwut?

 

I'm saying that hope can end in truth, just as lack of hope can end up being false.

 

So, obviously, mine hope that I can funk anime characters can end in me fuckin' them up. Not too unpalatable, I suppose.

 

Off the top of my head right now I can name a huge innovation, the Printing Press. Made largely for the mass production of the Bible.

And there are more religions than Christianity.

 

Yes, Islam, which, durin' its more "tolerable" heyday, kept Nestorian Christians, Jews, and fellow other infidels from bein' persecuted by the Roman Catholics, as well as kept libraries of information about the Greco-Roman world.

 

Or the Baha'i, which promotes, amongst others, pacifism and toleration.

 

All the same, though, the pious usually retard the advance of science (if not wax hysteric from their incredulity and murder others for their supposed connivance with the devil).

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God is the only way to get your soul saved. People who think different are lost.

 

So much for the preachin' of "love".

 

RIP CARLIN

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

Every religion screwed up while it was in power. Christianity did it a lot as it was in power a lot.

[Tabris]

Terrible rant that any competent person can see the answers to.

 

And if I recall' date=' Christianity was about spreading god's will, not god himself. A person who does good will still get into heaven, as that's god's will. Of course, a few crazy preachers think otherwise, and of course they're the only ones who get any attention.

[/quote']

 

Haggard or Robertson or Falwell can hardly be called "crazy". Look at the number of their adherents.

 

And, as I recall, Roman Catholicism teaches that those who don't believe the EXACT way they do are among the lost.

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Every religion screwed up while it was in power. Christianity did it a lot as it was in power a lot.

 

... which says somethin' about its human guides, as well as the edifice within. Why don't we all throw religion off and believe in the goodness of the human race, instead?

[MasterGrinch]

Terrible rant that any competent person can see the answers to.

 

And if I recall' date=' Christianity was about spreading god's will, not god himself. A person who does good will still get into heaven, as that's god's will. Of course, a few crazy preachers think otherwise, and of course they're the only ones who get any attention.

[/quote']

 

Haggard or Robertson or Falwell can hardly be called "crazy". Look at the number of their adherents.

 

And, as I recall, Roman Catholicism teaches that those who don't believe the EXACT way they do are among the lost.

 

I am not Roman Catholic, I am not that crazy, but I do respect people's religion. However, I do try to reach out and try to help people have faith.

[Tabris]

^

 

God is the only way to get your soul saved. People who think different are lost.

 

My, my. It seems to me you're just scarin' the daylights outta us.

 

"BELIEVE IN THE FLYIN' SPAGHETTI MONZTAH OR YOU'LL BE ENTANGL'D WITHIN ITS NOODLY APPENDAGES!" The Will saith.

[MasterGrinch]

^

 

God is the only way to get your soul saved. People who think different are lost.

 

My' date=' my. It seems to me you're just scarin' the daylights outta us.

 

"BELIEVE IN THE FLYIN' SPAGHETTI MONZTAH OR YOU'LL BE ENTANGL'D WITHIN ITS NOODLY APPENDAGES!" The Will saith.

[/quote']

 

I am sorry if I came off that way. That was not my intent.

[problematica]

There are more good natured people who believe in God than there are those that don't.

 

... which in turn vindicates the belief that the best religion in the world is Pastafarianism, because The Flyin' Spaghetti Monster's adherents are pacifists... good, I should become a Pastafarian then!

 

Several religions belive in pacifism. Believe whatever you wish.

 

No, I mean that things happen to keep a balance in the universe. There is a balance in everything, even science proves it.

 

So then, the reason why mine cup of tea from the table to the floor is that mine cup of tea is unbalanced? lolwut?

 

Yep. The balance is that the lack of balance in your tea cup caused it to tip over and fall down. Unless the tea cup was balanced and something knocked it off, then the balance is that it was broken because it was knocked off.

 

I'm saying that hope can end in truth, just as lack of hope can end up being false.

 

So, obviously, mine hope that I can f*** anime characters can end in me fuckin' them up. Not too unpalatable, I suppose.

 

No, I'm saying that hope can end either true or not, just like no hope can end true or not.

 

Off the top of my head right now I can name a huge innovation, the Printing Press. Made largely for the mass production of the Bible.

And there are more religions than Christianity.

 

Yes, Islam, which, durin' its more "tolerable" heyday, kept Nestorian Christians, Jews, and fellow other infidels from bein' persecuted by the Roman Catholics, as well as kept libraries of information about the Greco-Roman world.

 

Or the Baha'i, which promotes, amongst others, pacifism and toleration.

 

All the same, though, the pious usually retard the advance of science (if not wax hysteric from their incredulity and murder others for their supposed connivance with the devil).

 

Islam is always tolerant, people's idiocy has nothing to do with the religion itself.

The pious do slow down and advance science just as much as all others do.

 

 

And seriously, for once put up an argument and stop using the classic anti-theist bull of just making yourself look stupid with illogical points, such as all the ones above the last part of your response.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

Terrible rant that any competent person can see the answers to.

 

And if I recall' date=' Christianity was about spreading god's will, not god himself. A person who does good will still get into heaven, as that's god's will. Of course, a few crazy preachers think otherwise, and of course they're the only ones who get any attention.

[/quote']

 

Haggard or Robertson or Falwell can hardly be called "crazy". Look at the number of their adherents.

 

And, as I recall, Roman Catholicism teaches that those who don't believe the EXACT way they do are among the lost.

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Every religion screwed up while it was in power. Christianity did it a lot as it was in power a lot.

 

... which says somethin' about its human guides' date=' as well as the edifice within. Why don't we all throw religion off and believe in the goodness of the human race, instead?

[/quote']

And somehow a denomination such as Roman Catholic simply becomes known as Christian.

 

And I wouldn't blame the actual religion for what happened but the people that were in control at that time. Religion shouldn't be tossed aside if it's something you believe in, but it shouldn't be the ruling power. That's why there's separation of church and state.