Is there a point to religion?

[Bakura Vessal]

“You can argue about Christianity with people that aren’t believers' date=' but in the end it’s pointless because it’s all about faith. There’s a lot that you can’t answer in a rational way."

 

--Charlie Simpson, Fightstar

 

He's right. How the hell am I, or anyone, supposed to get our points though to you when you've come to your own conclusions?

Let me tell you one thing, I have seen interveiws with former atheists who had experienced clinical death (the point where there is no activity in the brain WHAT SO EVER) and they all said it was far from nothingness.

And I care why? We don't have clinical death.

 

Religion gives us hope' date=' makes us better people and teaches us to learn. And just to prove some of you wrong, I read a news paper artical which stated more scientists belive in God then don't (and probably more than 10, 20 or 30 years ago) simply because they cannot disprove God's existance.[/quote']

False hope is not worth it, we all know it's false.

Also you can prove that the earth was made by the big bang, and not god.

Also do I give a crap about the majority of peoples think?

 

Quote from one of them:

'Atheists will have to have faith the size of a mountain to countinue to believe there is no God."

-- One of the top scientists in the world (can't remember his name.)

I don't need faith, I can belive what I want.

 

And incase you haven't graped the thing, this is mostly bout people forcing religion.

[JesusofChaos™]

The church and religion is made for blame. People need something to blame to deny themselves their freedom. Embrace your freedom.

[Willieh]

Also you can prove that the earth was made by the big bang' date=' and not god.

[/quote']

 

No. You're wrong. You can prove that the universe is reaching outwards and expanding.

 

I hardly find it convincing that the universe was compacted into a ball the size of the head of a needle myself. But you can believe whatever you want as you previously stated. :/

 

I don't get why people HAVE to think that the universe STARTED. My theory is that the universe just ALWAYS WAS.

[Wyhe]

The main point here is just that religion has caused more harm than good so far & will continue so.

 

The harm is just a side effect. Without Religion many of this couldn't happen besides you just cannot prove that Religion is pointless cause as far as we know God might exist.

They don't accept the fact that the world & everything else is created for no true purpose. Therefore, we wind up making our own purposes in life to satisfy ourselves.

[Wyhe]

The main point here is just that religion has caused more harm than good so far & will continue so.

 

The harm is just a side effect. Without Religion many of this couldn't happen besides you just cannot prove that Religion is pointless cause as far as we know God might exist.

They don't accept the fact that the world & everything else is created for no true purpose. Therefore, we wind up making our own purposes in life to satisfy ourselves.

[Tabris]

No, the harm isn't caused by religion, it's caused as a result of religion because people can't accept others' differences. If all differences were accepted, there'd be no religion wars.

 

Oh oh!...

 

... which means, more or less, an abdication of dogma as indicated in their holy books.

 

Which also means we don't really need this religious bullshit, because we could decide for ourselves what we should do, and rightly too, without some deity givin' us the short end of the stick if ever we do wrong.

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He's right. How the hell am I, or anyone, supposed to get our points though to you when you've come to your own conclusions?

Let me tell you one thing, I have seen interveiws with former atheists who had experienced clinical death (the point where there is no activity in the brain WHAT SO EVER) and they all said it was far from nothingness.

 

"Oh oh I saw these bright lights, then a tunnel, then a rainbow of colors, then this garden... so it must be evidence of GOD!"

 

+ facepalm +

 

Please... recover from thine incredulity.

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Religion gives us hope, makes us better people and teaches us to learn.

 

Belief =/= truth. One may believe that X is edible, only to die from the poison contained within.

 

And just to prove some of you wrong, I read a news paper article which stated more scientists belive in God than don't (and probably more than 10, 20 or 30 years ago) simply because they cannot disprove God's existence.

 

Something our hapless incredulous scientists haven't learned:

 

You are given a box and told that a letter lies therein. You have no way of knowing if, indeed, a letter is packed in there, not least without some more sophisication in knowin' the contents of the said box. Do you declare to the wide world that a letter exists inside the box, een without proper verification? I, for one, would not. Nor would you.

 

And, anyhow, atheists don't have to prove that God exists - all one has to do is to compile all available evidence that shows that God never existed, and refute others that say the contrary by rational inquiry.

[problematica]

No' date=' the harm isn't caused by religion, it's caused as a result of religion because people can't accept others' differences. If all differences were accepted, there'd be no religion wars.[/i']

 

Oh oh!...

 

... which means, more or less, an abdication of dogma as indicated in their holy books.

 

Which also means we don't really need this religious bullshit, because we could decide for ourselves what we should do, and rightly too, without some deity givin' us the short end of the stick if ever we do wrong.

 

People decide what they do or do not do. There is no real control from religion outside of what people allow it to do, in which it only tells them guidelines to live by. It's idiots that keep going around saying stuff about how not following it leads you to hell and that all nonbelievers are evil are not following whatever scriptures they are reading that are causing all the stuff that happens in the name of their religion.

 

He's right. How the hell am I, or anyone, supposed to get our points though to you when you've come to your own conclusions?

Let me tell you one thing, I have seen interveiws with former atheists who had experienced clinical death (the point where there is no activity in the brain WHAT SO EVER) and they all said it was far from nothingness.

 

"Oh oh I saw these bright lights, then a tunnel, then a rainbow of colors, then this garden... so it must be evidence of GOD!"

 

+ facepalm +

 

Please... recover from thine incredulity.

 

Please actually post an argument instead of just saying we're all stupid for believing in something you do not believe in. Or are you going to be a hypocrit about your argument that religion causes conflict among people by asserting a conflict among other beliefs?

 

Religion gives us hope, makes us better people and teaches us to learn.

 

Belief =/= truth. One may believe that X is edible, only to die from the poison contained within.

 

You still ate it, did you not? That means it was edible. The poison was something added to it and does not affect whether it could be eaten or not, merely a result of eating it.

 

And just to prove some of you wrong, I read a news paper article which stated more scientists belive in God than don't (and probably more than 10, 20 or 30 years ago) simply because they cannot disprove God's existence.

 

Something our hapless incredulous scientists haven't learned:

 

You are given a box and told that a letter lies therein. You have no way of knowing if, indeed, a letter is packed in there, not least without some more sophisication in knowin' the contents of the said box. Do you declare to the wide world that a letter exists inside the box, een without proper verification? I, for one, would not. Nor would you.

 

But would you declare that there is no letter without that same proper verification?

 

And, anyhow, atheists don't have to prove that God exists - all one has to do is to compile all available evidence that shows that God never existed, and refute others that say the contrary by rational inquiry.

 

There is literally no evidence against God in any manner. The only real evidence against religion at all are proofs against creationism. Just because everything didn't appear out of thin air does not mean that God does not exist, merely that a seperate strategy was used in the Earth's creation.

[Guest JoshIcy]

Hope.

Which in turn, becomes rivalry.

[speznats]

can some just shot me in the nee caps and call it even

life and death every thing else is the grey area

[Cyber Altair]

The main point here is just that religion has caused more harm than good so far & will continue so.

 

The harm is just a side effect. Without Religion many of this couldn't happen besides you just cannot prove that Religion is pointless cause as far as we know God might exist.

They don't accept the fact that the world & everything else is created for no true purpose. Therefore' date=' we wind up making our own purposes in life to satisfy ourselves.

[/quote']

 

They want to have faith in something greater then them, everyone does. Why should you, a 14 year old boy decide that because of a couple of incidents the religion should be abolished?

[speznats]

Advantages: not sure

Disadvantages: fights

 

Like most things in life, religion is humans interpretation of something divine. People feel that everything around them is so wonderful and impossible to create that there must be a supreme creator.

 

Now if this was true why would there be about million religions that hate people from other religions.

 

I give you two examples.

 

Muslims and Christians have fought for over 1500 years in the name of god. Muslims call god Allah and Christians call him god.

 

Millions have died in 1500 years defending their religion or being victims of their religion. Things are not getting any better, as more time passes since creations of these religions, followers are becoming more intolerant. Love thy neighbour has no meaning in modern world.

 

Recent examples:

 

Muslim clerics arrested because they were praying in a plane.

 

Christian leader in Lebanon assassinated because he opposed some Muslims in his country.

 

There are hundreds of similar examples happening every day.

 

I thought religions were suppose to bring peace and love to humanity. Instead it is having opposite. From everything I read I get the impression that religions are racist, intolerant and abusive.

 

I am sorry If I offended anyone. Please leave a comment and I will respond.

 

I have never been religious, my parents were atheists. I am open to any argument.

 

If you think your religion is wonderful let me know and I will examine it.

Summary: convince me of your religion

[Guest JoshIcy]

^: They pretty much fought because each major religion started like 2 blocks from each other.

And the figures might have went to the same Mudhut for schooling...

 

That being said, it is understandable why they fight often. They all want the same land.

[speznats]

why do we fight an epic question in it's self and ill tell you the esence of all conflict is deferences and we are all different there for we must fight purge the unclean esk.

why must humanity be different why do we have to be i don't like your idea so im going to make my own and then say its better witch in fact it was the first who spawned it i mean really people

[Guest JoshIcy]

correct your spelling and sentence structure or your opinion is nulled.

And umm... Hello? You mean to tell me NOT once have you wanted to hit someone? Lol, doubt that. Even I, (seriously anti violence guy) have had my moments.

 

And that reason is all someone needs. Epic question, it is not.

[Willieh]

Advantages: not sure

Disadvantages: fights

 

Like most things in life' date=' religion is humans interpretation of something divine. People feel that everything around them is so wonderful and impossible to create that there must be a supreme creator.

 

Now if this was true why would there be about million religions that hate people from other religions.

 

I give you two examples.

 

Muslims and Christians have fought for over 1500 years in the name of god. Muslims call god Allah and Christians call him god.

 

Millions have died in 1500 years defending their religion or being victims of their religion. Things are not getting any better, as more time passes since creations of these religions, followers are becoming more intolerant. Love thy neighbour has no meaning in modern world.

 

Recent examples:

 

Muslim clerics arrested because they were praying in a plane.

 

Christian leader in Lebanon assassinated because he opposed some Muslims in his country.

 

There are hundreds of similar examples happening every day.

 

I thought religions were suppose to bring peace and love to humanity. Instead it is having opposite. From everything I read I get the impression that religions are racist, intolerant and abusive.

 

I am sorry If I offended anyone. Please leave a comment and I will respond.

 

I have never been religious, my parents were atheists. I am open to any argument.

 

If you think your religion is wonderful let me know and I will examine it.

Summary: convince me of your religion

[/quote']

 

Look in the sky.

 

God is more likely too exist than not to exist if you weigh the facts. Let's say the big bang theory IS real. They still haven't proved a non-existence. All they've proved is what EXPANDED the universe. Not what STARTED the universe.

 

From my perspective; the universe has always been. And after we're dead; it'll still be their. But you can't help but wonder some times. Consider the perfection of the perpetuous world we live in. Consider how realistic the thought of a god is.

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Everyone could just construct their on opinions and blow their brains out. That's the only way we'd ever find out for certain. But by then; it'd be too late.

 

 

Logically....well... both are funking retarded. Morally, meh; it's up to you.

[Tabris]

People decide what they do or do not do. There is no real control from religion outside of what people allow it to do, in which it only tells them guidelines to live by. It's idiots that keep going around saying stuff about how not following it leads you to hell and that all nonbelievers are evil are not following whatever scriptures they are reading that are causing all the stuff that happens in the name of their religion.

 

Prove that these people are idiots as you say.

 

Please actually post an argument instead of just saying we're all stupid for believing in something you do not believe in. Or are you going to be a hypocrite about your argument that religion causes conflict among people by asserting a conflict among other beliefs?

 

You misunderstand. I replied with this in mind: "There are many more explanations for X to have happened other than the supernatural position. Please check all of them before assertin' that X happened because God did intervene".

 

You still ate it, did you not? That means it was edible. The poison was something added to it and does not affect whether it could be eaten or not, merely a result of eating it.

 

Now I have to check mine dictionary as to the meaning of "edible". And for that, I switch another: "poisonous".

 

+ facepalm +

 

But would you declare that there is no letter without that same proper verification?

 

No I won't. Why?

 

There is literally no evidence against God in any manner. The only real evidence against religion at all are proofs against creationism. Just because everything didn't appear out of thin air does not mean that God does not exist, merely that a seperate strategy was used in the Earth's creation.

 

The literal plane, yes; I'll concede that one. The philosophical plane, however, has its hands knockin' out, waitin' for consideration (the ones that you call "proofs against creationism").

 

Moreover, that last sentence reminds me of somethin' from Dawkins. Don't have the book, however.

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God is more likely to exist than not to exist if you weigh the facts. Let's say the big bang theory IS real. They still haven't proved a non-existence. All they've proved is what EXPANDED the universe. Not what STARTED the universe.

 

God of the Gaps.

 

... and when we get towards findin' a workable theory on the origin of the universe, where should God hide NAO?

[Wyhe]

May I note that modern science has proven various things spoken or preached by religions that they all are nonsense.

 

Also, the religions teach that there is a loving God. However, in a eternally struggling & suffering world, is there such thing as a loving God if the world is caught in sufferings?

 

The answer is:No! Either that or there is no loving God, but a cruel Social Darwinist God who puts all into his survival of the fittest plan as the Grand Design. (AKA my conspiracy idea No. 5534)

[Metal Lord]

First of all, you can't just abolish religion: It's not something like money which you can just restart, trade or destroy. You can get rid of the churches and buildings dedicated to such matters, but the people will still say 'Oh, yeah, I'm a Christian.'

 

Next, Raviel Priest WYHE, if you read the Bible, it says 'let a man who is vile countinue to be vile.' It compairs a man who is evil to the core as a dog saying he, if of pure evil, will return to evil as sure as 'A dog returns to vomit.' God's true desires for his people do not rest in the flesh, but the soul. In other words, easy enough for people like you to understand, God and Christ will give the evil-doers what they deserve.

[Wyhe]

First of all' date=' you can't just abolish religion: It's not something like money which you can just restart, trade or destroy. You can get rid of the churches and buildings dedicated to such matters, but the people will still say 'Oh, yeah, I'm a Christian.'

 

Next, Raviel Priest WYHE, if you read the Bible, it says 'let a man who is vile countinue to be vile.' It compairs a man who is evil to the core as a dog saying he, if of pure evil, will return to evil as sure as 'A dog returns to vomit.' God's true desires for his people do not rest in the flesh, but the soul. In other words, easy enough for morons like you to understand, God and Christ will give the evil-doers what they deserve.

[/quote']

How long has it been since the "promise" was made...let me see...oh yeah! It was like over 2000 years ago & nothing changed! Just more infighting & havoc throughout the land!

 

I was formerly a Christian myself & lost faith due to knowing the suffering world & coming to the conclusion that there is no God in this world that continues to suffer now, then & most likely forever more

[problematica]

Prove that these people are idiots as you say.

 

Okay' date=' here is an example. In the Quran it clearly states that suicide, or anything similar to which you kill yourself, will send you to hell, no questions asked. Yet there are idiots blowing themselves up in the name of Allah, kind of stupid to not follow something so basic to understand.[/b']

 

You misunderstand. I replied with this in mind: "There are many more explanations for X to have happened other than the supernatural position. Please check all of them before assertin' that X happened because God did intervene".

 

There are explanations for what had happened, but not completely accurate explanations for why it happened. All ideas of what caused it are theories, God doing it is just another theory.

 

Now I have to check mine dictionary as to the meaning of "edible". And for that, I switch another: "poisonous".

 

+ facepalm +

 

That doesn't even make sense

 

+ facepalm +

 

No I won't. Why?

 

Because you are currently doing that. There is no proof that there is no God, yet you still say that there isn't one.

God is more likely to exist than not to exist if you weigh the facts. Let's say the big bang theory IS real. They still haven't proved a non-existence. All they've proved is what EXPANDED the universe. Not what STARTED the universe.

 

God of the Gaps.

 

... and when we get towards findin' a workable theory on the origin of the universe, where should God hide NAO?

 

If you do, how does that prove that God does not exist? You only found out what had happened, but not if God did not do it.

[Shrekstasy]

Yes.

[speznats]

Sorry thats just my secret code but what ever.

When it all comes down to it dose it really matter, no it dose not

So people live your lives. It's not all that important.

[Metal Lord]

First of all' date=' you can't just abolish religion: It's not something like money which you can just restart, trade or destroy. You can get rid of the churches and buildings dedicated to such matters, but the people will still say 'Oh, yeah, I'm a Christian.'

 

Next, Raviel Priest WYHE, if you read the Bible, it says 'let a man who is vile countinue to be vile.' It compairs a man who is evil to the core as a dog saying he, if of pure evil, will return to evil as sure as 'A dog returns to vomit.' God's true desires for his people do not rest in the flesh, but the soul. In other words, easy enough for morons like you to understand, God and Christ will give the evil-doers what they deserve.

[/quote']

How long has it been since the "promise" was made...let me see...oh yeah! It was like over 2000 years ago & nothing changed! Just more infighting & havoc throughout the land!

 

I was formerly a Christian myself & lost faith due to knowing the suffering world & coming to the conclusion that there is no God in this world that continues to suffer now, then & most likely forever more

 

Fool! Christ compaired in one reading to a fig tree. The fig tree represented the world, and it's owner was God. The owner said to his servant (Christ) to chop it down because he said he was getting no fruit from it (followers or faithful people who belived in him). Christ said "leave it in my care and I will see you get a harvest. If it bears no fruit in a year, you may cut it down."

 

In other words, Jesus came down so God could give the people another chance (by taking away their sin). The Bible goes on to say that when nation rises upon nation is when the judgement will be passed. When the tree refuses to bear fruit, if you understand.

[Jovi Siagian]

Okay' date=' here is an example. In the Qur'an it clearly states that suicide, or anything similar to which you kill yourself, will send you to hell, no questions asked. Yet there are idiots blowing themselves up in the name of Allah, kind of stupid to not follow something so basic to understand.[/b']

 

Are you a Muslim?

[Bakura Vessal]

correct your spelling and sentence structure or your opinion is nulled.

And umm... Hello? You mean to tell me NOT once have you wanted to hit someone? Lol' date=' doubt that.[b'] Even I, (seriously anti violence guy) have had my moments.[/b]

 

And that reason is all someone needs. Epic question, it is not.

Lol.

 

You want to kill me ALLLL the time.