Saiyan Knight Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 Well, I recently received this PM from BlitzerRyuusei: Subject: If you really think that usable Obelisk is good...Body:...then can you build a deck around it? I'd like to see a deck based around it or at least using it. And I'm always willing to make a deck list on request. Hopefully it comes out somewhat competitive, though I'm expecting it to be more of a Hobby League / Local Venue deck. I'll be working off the top of my head, and basing the deck on experience with a similar build that I'd made some time ago, so none of it's directly tested with the Obelisk. Keep this in mind as you read through my choices. Let's get this started. First of all, the basis is simple: Bring out Obelisk very quickly. Our skeleton list, the cards we NEED to include, hasn't really been pioneered yet, so this will be new ground for me too. It looks like this is what we have to start with: Monsters- 33x Obelisk the Tormentor Spells- Traps- Not a huge list, as you can see. Firstly, let's examine what we're basing around, by looking at pros and cons, as well as his actual ability. 10 Star | DIVINE | Divine-Beast | 4000 ATK | 4000 DEF"This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set except by Tributing 3 monsters. This card's Normal Summon cannot be negated. When this card is Normal Summoned, the effects of Spell, Trap, and Effect Monsters cannot be activated. This card cannot be targeted by the effects of Spells, Traps, or Effect Monsters. If this card is Special Summoned, it is sent to the Graveyard during the End Phase. You can Tribute 2 monsters to destroy all monsters your opponent controls. This card cannot declare an attack during the turn you activate this effect." Pros--Can be Special Summoned.-"Tribute", not "Send to the Graveyard".-Cannot be hit with Solemn Judgment, or it's themed cousins.-Cannot be Bottomless'd, Torrential'd, etc.-Immune to all commonly run effects in the meta, save Judgment Dragon and occasionally sided Mirror Force.-Clears field via effect. Cons--Only lasts a turn on Special Summon.-Can't attack after effect.-Effect's cost is a bit much for more than one use.-Uses Normal Summon. Now, sometimes we tend to take some small wording issues for granted, which is why I want to count "Tribute" in his summoning condition as a blessing. It gives us a couple outs to make his summon easier that aren't always obvious. There are three main things: 1. Sense they don't need to hit the Graveyard, you can summon him with Macro out. This is good because of rogue decks that can occasionally be a problem. 2. You can tribute tokens. This is far more important. With all the cards around that make tribute-enabled tokens now, we should be able to do something with that easily. 3. You can use Mausoleum of the Emperor. This one's probably the biggest boon of the three, since it's as easy as "Terraforming. I win." With our big Dark Armed Dragon-immunized monster on the field, there's not a lot that will be a problem for us. We can basically run rampant on the field into as much stuff as we want, save for Mirror Force, which is why we'll include a Mystical Space Typhoon, a Heavy Storm, and a Giant Trunade. It may seem hefty, with all the protection he's capable of, but it can never hurt, and he can't be searched, so we'll want some other monsters in the build, obviously. Let's include the backrow clearing elements, three of the Field Spell, three Terraforming, and, as a backup, three of my favorite token-producer. Monsters- 63x Obelisk the Tormentor3x Phantom Skyblaster Spells- 91x Giant Trunade1x Heavy Storm3x Mausoleum of the Emperor1x Mystical Space Typhoon3x Terraforming Traps- Phantom Skyblaster gives us 2 tributes at LEAST when it's summoned, and that's when there's no monsters before you summon it. If we had, say, another monster at all times, that would give us 4 monsters to tribute with his summon. Because that sounds pretty beneficial to me, we'll include a Treeborn Frog. With it though, 2 Foolish Burial to get things rolling, and 2 Double Summon to enable his summon immediately after Skyblaster. Monsters- 73x Obelisk the Tormentor3x Phantom Skyblaster1x Treeborn Frog Spells- 132x Double Summon2x Foolish Burial1x Giant Trunade1x Heavy Storm3x Mausoleum of the Emperor1x Mystical Space Typhoon3x Terraforming Traps- Now, we still have a LOT of room to mess around, and I think it's probably a safe bet they we have NO worries about the opponent's monsters at this point, except for that pesky Judgment Dragon. Because of it, we'll include three Solemn Judgment, to be extra sure, and 2 D.D. Crow. That'll even let us keep Malicious at bay, in case we don't have Obelisk. Monsters- 93x Obelisk the Tormentor3x Phantom Skyblaster2x D.D. Crow1x Treeborn Frog Spells- 132x Double Summon2x Foolish Burial1x Giant Trunade1x Heavy Storm3x Mausoleum of the Emperor1x Mystical Space Typhoon3x Terraforming Traps- 33x Solemn Judgment Now, we don't really have a way to SEARCH for Obelisk, and that's going to hurt us. There are two ways we could go, and they both use the Foolish Burial that I included. Herald of Creation and Monster Reincarnation. We'll include 2 of each. This way we can send Obelisk away, then get it back with one of those as a pricey, but manageable search technique for such a big monster. Monsters- 113x Obelisk the Tormentor2x Herald of Creation3x Phantom Skyblaster2x D.D. Crow1x Treeborn Frog Spells- 152x Double Summon2x Foolish Burial1x Giant Trunade1x Heavy Storm3x Mausoleum of the Emperor2x Monster Reincarnation1x Mystical Space Typhoon3x Terraforming Traps- 33x Solemn Judgment Taking a look at things, let's go ahead and add in a couple monsters that will generally aid the idea we're working on. Sangan can search for Phantom Skyblaster, and Mystic Tomato can search out Sangan. That'll give us a little reliability and consistency with those monsters. So long as we have 3 monsters that make Dark, 500ATK tokens, a Sangan, and 2 D.D. Crow, let's add in Crush Card Virus as well. It's not entirely pertinent to the goal of Obelisk, but it WILL help us stay alive in the meantime. Monsters- 143x Obelisk the Tormentor2x Herald of Creation2x Mystic Tomato3x Phantom Skyblaster1x Sangan2x D.D. Crow1x Treeborn Frog Spells- 152x Double Summon2x Foolish Burial1x Giant Trunade1x Heavy Storm3x Mausoleum of the Emperor2x Monster Reincarnation1x Mystical Space Typhoon3x Terraforming Traps- 41x Crush Card Virus3x Solemn Judgment We basically have room for seven cards, and I'm pretty partial to squeezing in Secrets where I can. I know a lot of people aren't fans, but we could go ahead and say that since that's eight Darks, we could add in a Prometheus King of Shadows and a Dark Armed Dragon. That would put us up to 5 more cards and take care of some Graveyard management. Monsters- 163x Obelisk the Tormentor1x Dark Armed Dragon2x Herald of Creation2x Mystic Tomato1x Prometheus, King of Shadows3x Phantom Skyblaster1x Sangan2x D.D. Crow1x Treeborn Frog Spells- 152x Double Summon2x Foolish Burial1x Giant Trunade1x Heavy Storm3x Mausoleum of the Emperor2x Monster Reincarnation1x Mystical Space Typhoon3x Terraforming Traps- 41x Crush Card Virus3x Solemn Judgment It's a lot like trying to use a Light and Darkness Dragon deck, really. It's based on getting out a big monster right away. For Skyblaster's sake, let's include 2 copies of Evil Hero Infernal Prodigy. That'll increase our Dark count, our Crush Card Virus' playability, and our ability to produce tokens. With only three cards left, it's kind of up to you where to take the deck. I'm going to say that three copies of Precious Cards from Beyond are my tech in this one and use that. It'll increase my draw power, and allow me to benefit more from each Obelisk summon. Here's the finished product for you to review. Thanks for reading, and I hope you took something away from it. Monsters- 183x Obelisk the Tormentor1x Dark Armed Dragon2x Herald of Creation2x Mystic Tomato1x Prometheus, King of Shadows3x Phantom Skyblaster1x Sangan2x Evil Hero Infernal Prodigy2x D.D. Crow1x Treeborn Frog Spells- 182x Double Summon2x Foolish Burial1x Giant Trunade1x Heavy Storm3x Mausoleum of the Emperor2x Monster Reincarnation1x Mystical Space Typhoon3x Precious Cards from Beyond3x Terraforming Traps- 41x Crush Card Virus3x Solemn Judgment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie Lupia Blitzer Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 Hmm... 2 things:1.) Why doesn't this deck include Allure of Darkness?2.) Why doesn't this deck include Monster Reborn? :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saiyan Knight Posted December 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 Hmm... 2 things:1.) Why doesn't this deck include Allure of Darkness?2.) Why doesn't this deck include Monster Reborn? :/ Well, the Monster Reborn isn't really necessary, because it's good targets are few. That is to say, there isn't a lot that you'd WANT to Monster Reborn. As for Allure of Darkness, you're more then welcome to use them over Precious Cards from Beyond. I just wanted an excuse to use Precious Cards from Beyond and don't own any Allure. Haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SephirothKirby Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 Will you double marry me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saiyan Knight Posted December 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 ... OOoooohhh, I'unnnnooo... A double marriage is more than my current offer of a single marriage... You'd have to talk to the girlie about it. ;3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie Lupia Blitzer Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 Hmm... 2 things:1.) Why doesn't this deck include Allure of Darkness?2.) Why doesn't this deck include Monster Reborn? :/ Well' date=' the Monster Reborn isn't really necessary, because it's good targets are few. That is to say, there isn't a lot that you'd WANT to Monster Reborn. As for Allure of Darkness, you're more then welcome to use them over Precious Cards from Beyond. I just wanted an excuse to use Precious Cards from Beyond and don't own any Allure. Haha.[/quote']Well, you don't own Obelisk, either. /:| After all, it's not out yet (12/20/08) and is OCG-only anyways. Will you double marry me? What the heck does this mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saiyan Knight Posted December 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 Hmm... 2 things:1.) Why doesn't this deck include Allure of Darkness?2.) Why doesn't this deck include Monster Reborn? :/ Well' date=' the Monster Reborn isn't really necessary, because it's good targets are few. That is to say, there isn't a lot that you'd WANT to Monster Reborn. As for Allure of Darkness, you're more then welcome to use them over Precious Cards from Beyond. I just wanted an excuse to use Precious Cards from Beyond and don't own any Allure. Haha.[/quote']Well, you don't own Obelisk, either. /:| After all, it's not out yet (12/20/08) and is OCG-only anyways. Yeah, but when it comes out, I'll be able to get three and haven't he deck. They won't be $50 a shot. :P Will you double marry me? What the heck does this mean?Oh, in another thread I got a proposal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie Lupia Blitzer Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 Hmm... 2 things:1.) Why doesn't this deck include Allure of Darkness?2.) Why doesn't this deck include Monster Reborn? :/ Well' date=' the Monster Reborn isn't really necessary, because it's good targets are few. That is to say, there isn't a lot that you'd WANT to Monster Reborn. As for Allure of Darkness, you're more then welcome to use them over Precious Cards from Beyond. I just wanted an excuse to use Precious Cards from Beyond and don't own any Allure. Haha.[/quote']Well, you don't own Obelisk, either. /:| After all, it's not out yet (12/20/08) and is OCG-only anyways. Yeah, but when it comes out, I'll be able to get three and haven't he deck. They won't be $50 a shot. :P Will you double marry me? What the heck does this mean?Oh' date=' in another thread I got a proposal.[/quote']You got others? That makes it lulzy. *laughs a bit* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 How exactly are you going to use Mausoleum, his summoning conditions say that you can't normal summon him in any way other than tributing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SephirothKirby Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 The other was from me, where I said "Will you marry me?" Coincidentally, it was a Raviel deck, hahah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saiyan Knight Posted December 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 x3 @Genzo: As stated in the Discussion thread, the text refers to needing more than 2 tributes. Using Mausoleum is perfectly legitimate. As a judge, that is the ruling that I would enforce, until an official ruling is made sometime after it's release on the 20th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 Read the card, it's text says that it "cannot be normal summoned except by tributing three monsters", this is a text that would enforce guidelines identical to that on Nomis in that things that work around the regular conditions won't work (Ignoring cards like Rainbow Gravity), the presence of that text insures that cards like Mausoleum cannot be used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cherry Cola Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 ... OOoooohhh' date=' I'unnnnooo... A double marriage is more than my current offer of a single marriage... You'd have to talk to the girlie about it. ;3[/quote']Mine. <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GINGERNINJA69 Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 Obelisk the Tormentor, when he hits the field(aka summond) he is compltely immune to spells trap monster effects so the only way to destroy it is with brute force and alot of it i have only beat one once it was hard but yea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inoshikacho Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 :oThat is a really good deck. I liked how you tryed to work around an egyptian god. You should try a sacred beast deck next.8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saiyan Knight Posted December 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 :oThat is a really good deck. I liked how you tryed to work around an egyptian god. You should try a sacred beast deck next.8) Thank you' date=' and I already did. Raviel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 Phantom of Chaos perhaps? And 1 more question, would Obelisk pwn in Zombies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saiyan Knight Posted December 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 Phantom of Chaos perhaps? And 1 more question' date=' would Obelisk pwn in Zombies?[/quote'] Phantom of Chaos... For what? And, perhaps. Now that there are Mezuki and Plaguespreader out the ass in those decks, three tributes couldn't be hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie Lupia Blitzer Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 Obelisk the Tormentor' date=' when he hits the field(aka summond) he is compltely immune to spells trap monster effects so the only way to destroy it is with brute force and alot of it i have only beat one once it was hard but yea[/quote'] No. The Obelisk usable in Duels (not the blue one) is completely immune to all effects that just target him, so effects that don't target Obelisk (like Black Rose Dragon, Judgment Dragon, and Mirror Force) can obliterate him. At least Obelisk is DAD-proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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