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True' date=' but remember, in the Orichalcos saga Mai hadn't gotten over her loss to Yami Marik. ANyway, we are getting off topic. So far Yusei hasn't lost a duel.

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Actually, Yusei would have lost(and possibly died) against Kiryu, so that counts.

 

TDI OWEN: You took into account the fact that Yusei won in his duel against Jack in episode 5?

 

I'm just saying being the main character doesn't mean he has the win all the time. Besides' date=' Atem didn't become the king of games the first time he played the game, he had to have lost plenty of times before that.

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IIRC, None of Yugi's losses were really fair.

 

Though for cases it is necessary to make way for the character's destiny. For example' date=' Joey's loss to Marik in the BC final was necessary because if Joey won, Marik would be eliminated from the tournament, but his dark side will remain in control of the body. Atem was needed to get the good side to regain control because he was convinced by Ishizu to do it, whereas Joey only wanted Marik's dark side to reverse the shadow spell on Mai

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So Yugi could get rid of Yami Marik because said villain's sister told him to, but Joey couldn't because he's trying to save a girl. Your logic makes very little sense.

 

Joey couldn't because he wouldn't have been able to rid his dark side

 

Why not?

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True' date=' but remember, in the Orichalcos saga Mai hadn't gotten over her loss to Yami Marik. ANyway, we are getting off topic. So far Yusei hasn't lost a duel.

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Actually, Yusei would have lost(and possibly died) against Kiryu, so that counts.

 

You took into account the fact that Yusei won in his duel against Jack in episode 5?

 

Yusei would have in fact won that Duel, so yes.

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Exactly, even JACK in annoyance could see that Yusei had that duel won. And I believe Roxas couldn't exactly forget that result.

 

Yusei has been shown to lose 2 duels. Vs JACK 2 years before 5Ds, and against Kiryu his lifepoints didn't hit zero, but his D-Wheel literally made it forfeit when it saved his life.

 

TDI did you actually add anything to that chain?

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True' date=' but remember, in the Orichalcos saga Mai hadn't gotten over her loss to Yami Marik. ANyway, we are getting off topic. So far Yusei hasn't lost a duel.

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Actually, Yusei would have lost(and possibly died) against Kiryu, so that counts.

 

TDI OWEN: You took into account the fact that Yusei won in his duel against Jack in episode 5?

 

I'm just saying being the main character doesn't mean he has the win all the time. Besides' date=' Atem didn't become the king of games the first time he played the game, he had to have lost plenty of times before that.

[/quote']

 

IIRC, None of Yugi's losses were really fair.

 

Though for cases it is necessary to make way for the character's destiny. For example' date=' Joey's loss to Marik in the BC final was necessary because if Joey won, Marik would be eliminated from the tournament, but his dark side will remain in control of the body. Atem was needed to get the good side to regain control because he was convinced by Ishizu to do it, whereas Joey only wanted Marik's dark side to reverse the shadow spell on Mai

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So Yugi could get rid of Yami Marik because said villain's sister told him to, but Joey couldn't because he's trying to save a girl. Your logic makes very little sense.

 

Joey couldn't because he wouldn't have been able to rid his dark side

 

Why not?

 

It was destined for Atem to do that

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Exactly' date=' even JACK in annoyance could see that Yusei had that duel won. And I believe Roxas couldn't exactly forget that result.

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I think I'll take that as a compliment.

 

TDI did you actually add anything to that chain?

 

Yeah' date=' read where it says "TDI OWEN" in the quote.

 

True' date=' but remember, in the Orichalcos saga Mai hadn't gotten over her loss to Yami Marik. ANyway, we are getting off topic. So far Yusei hasn't lost a duel.

[/quote']

 

Actually, Yusei would have lost(and possibly died) against Kiryu, so that counts.

 

TDI OWEN: You took into account the fact that Yusei won in his duel against Jack in episode 5?

 

I'm just saying being the main character doesn't mean he has the win all the time. Besides' date=' Atem didn't become the king of games the first time he played the game, he had to have lost plenty of times before that.

[/quote']

 

IIRC, None of Yugi's losses were really fair.

 

Though for cases it is necessary to make way for the character's destiny. For example' date=' Joey's loss to Marik in the BC final was necessary because if Joey won, Marik would be eliminated from the tournament, but his dark side will remain in control of the body. Atem was needed to get the good side to regain control because he was convinced by Ishizu to do it, whereas Joey only wanted Marik's dark side to reverse the shadow spell on Mai

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So Yugi could get rid of Yami Marik because said villain's sister told him to, but Joey couldn't because he's trying to save a girl. Your logic makes very little sense.

 

Joey couldn't because he wouldn't have been able to rid his dark side

 

Why not?

 

It was destined for Atem to do that

 

Destiny doesn't contribute to the ability to destroy Yami Marik at all.

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Yami and Yugi's non-victories:

 

1) Pegasus cheats with time limit shenanigans and wins when Yami was about to win.

 

2) Kaiba cheats with suicidal shenanigans and wins when Yami was about to win.

 

3) Rebeca wins when she should have lost because Yugi surrendered for no reason, except secretly she lost and Yugi won. Or something. Screw this, that episode made no sense at all.

 

4) Joey gets mind-controlled by Marik; Yami deliberately creates a draw.

 

5) Raphael cheats by making Yami get affected by dark mind control powers.

 

6) Yugi and Yami duel. Come on, one of them had to lose.

 

7) Yugi and Yami duel again.

 

I sense a lack of legitimate losses here. Every non-victory was either deliberate, the result of cheating, or a Yugi versus Yami match.

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and Yami could have fought it off or forfeited the duel so Yugi wouldn't have been taken

 

Firstly, just fighting off mind control isn't so easy.

 

Secondarily, even if it could technically have been fought off, it's still cheating.

 

Sixth and lastly, souls get taken when somebody loses. A forfeit is a loss.

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