ragnarok1945 Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 yeah well the fact remains he did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro Dude Posted December 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 True' date=' but remember, in the Orichalcos saga Mai hadn't gotten over her loss to Yami Marik. ANyway, we are getting off topic. So far Yusei hasn't lost a duel.[/quote'] Actually, Yusei would have lost(and possibly died) against Kiryu, so that counts. TDI OWEN: You took into account the fact that Yusei won in his duel against Jack in episode 5? I'm just saying being the main character doesn't mean he has the win all the time. Besides' date=' Atem didn't become the king of games the first time he played the game, he had to have lost plenty of times before that.[/quote'] IIRC, None of Yugi's losses were really fair. Though for cases it is necessary to make way for the character's destiny. For example' date=' Joey's loss to Marik in the BC final was necessary because if Joey won, Marik would be eliminated from the tournament, but his dark side will remain in control of the body. Atem was needed to get the good side to regain control because he was convinced by Ishizu to do it, whereas Joey only wanted Marik's dark side to reverse the shadow spell on Mai[/quote'] So Yugi could get rid of Yami Marik because said villain's sister told him to, but Joey couldn't because he's trying to save a girl. Your logic makes very little sense. Joey couldn't because he wouldn't have been able to rid his dark side Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 True' date=' but remember, in the Orichalcos saga Mai hadn't gotten over her loss to Yami Marik. ANyway, we are getting off topic. So far Yusei hasn't lost a duel.[/quote'] Actually, Yusei would have lost(and possibly died) against Kiryu, so that counts. You took into account the fact that Yusei won in his duel against Jack in episode 5? Yusei would have in fact won that Duel, so yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Exactly, even JACK in annoyance could see that Yusei had that duel won. And I believe Roxas couldn't exactly forget that result. Yusei has been shown to lose 2 duels. Vs JACK 2 years before 5Ds, and against Kiryu his lifepoints didn't hit zero, but his D-Wheel literally made it forfeit when it saved his life. TDI did you actually add anything to that chain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 True' date=' but remember, in the Orichalcos saga Mai hadn't gotten over her loss to Yami Marik. ANyway, we are getting off topic. So far Yusei hasn't lost a duel.[/quote'] Actually, Yusei would have lost(and possibly died) against Kiryu, so that counts. TDI OWEN: You took into account the fact that Yusei won in his duel against Jack in episode 5? I'm just saying being the main character doesn't mean he has the win all the time. Besides' date=' Atem didn't become the king of games the first time he played the game, he had to have lost plenty of times before that.[/quote'] IIRC, None of Yugi's losses were really fair. Though for cases it is necessary to make way for the character's destiny. For example' date=' Joey's loss to Marik in the BC final was necessary because if Joey won, Marik would be eliminated from the tournament, but his dark side will remain in control of the body. Atem was needed to get the good side to regain control because he was convinced by Ishizu to do it, whereas Joey only wanted Marik's dark side to reverse the shadow spell on Mai[/quote'] So Yugi could get rid of Yami Marik because said villain's sister told him to, but Joey couldn't because he's trying to save a girl. Your logic makes very little sense. Joey couldn't because he wouldn't have been able to rid his dark side Why not? It was destined for Atem to do that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Exactly' date=' even JACK in annoyance could see that Yusei had that duel won. And I believe Roxas couldn't exactly forget that result. [/quote'] I think I'll take that as a compliment. TDI did you actually add anything to that chain? Yeah' date=' read where it says "TDI OWEN" in the quote. True' date=' but remember, in the Orichalcos saga Mai hadn't gotten over her loss to Yami Marik. ANyway, we are getting off topic. So far Yusei hasn't lost a duel.[/quote'] Actually, Yusei would have lost(and possibly died) against Kiryu, so that counts. TDI OWEN: You took into account the fact that Yusei won in his duel against Jack in episode 5? I'm just saying being the main character doesn't mean he has the win all the time. Besides' date=' Atem didn't become the king of games the first time he played the game, he had to have lost plenty of times before that.[/quote'] IIRC, None of Yugi's losses were really fair. Though for cases it is necessary to make way for the character's destiny. For example' date=' Joey's loss to Marik in the BC final was necessary because if Joey won, Marik would be eliminated from the tournament, but his dark side will remain in control of the body. Atem was needed to get the good side to regain control because he was convinced by Ishizu to do it, whereas Joey only wanted Marik's dark side to reverse the shadow spell on Mai[/quote'] So Yugi could get rid of Yami Marik because said villain's sister told him to, but Joey couldn't because he's trying to save a girl. Your logic makes very little sense. Joey couldn't because he wouldn't have been able to rid his dark side Why not? It was destined for Atem to do that Destiny doesn't contribute to the ability to destroy Yami Marik at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 destiny can also be manipulated, that's how Yami Marik manipulated his other half's destiny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Exactly, so how come destiny would render Joey unable to stop Yami Marik? Maybe he wasn't destined to, but he could prove destiny wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 well some kinds of destinies are not meant to be proven wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 "The destiny of destruction cannot be changed!" ...Oh wait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 well that certainly was true for Joey in the duel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Yami and Yugi's non-victories: 1) Pegasus cheats with time limit shenanigans and wins when Yami was about to win. 2) Kaiba cheats with suicidal shenanigans and wins when Yami was about to win. 3) Rebeca wins when she should have lost because Yugi surrendered for no reason, except secretly she lost and Yugi won. Or something. Screw this, that episode made no sense at all. 4) Joey gets mind-controlled by Marik; Yami deliberately creates a draw. 5) Raphael cheats by making Yami get affected by dark mind control powers. 6) Yugi and Yami duel. Come on, one of them had to lose. 7) Yugi and Yami duel again. I sense a lack of legitimate losses here. Every non-victory was either deliberate, the result of cheating, or a Yugi versus Yami match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 actually the 5th one is the only one where there was no cheating involved against the two of them. Rafael simply gave Yami the seal, that's all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 actually the 5th one is the only one where there was no cheating involved against the two of them. Rafael simply gave Yami the seal' date=' that's all[/quote'] The seal happens to have magical evil mind control powers that do magical evil mind control things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 and Yami could have fought it off or forfeited the duel so Yugi wouldn't have been taken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 and Yami could have fought it off or forfeited the duel so Yugi wouldn't have been taken Firstly, just fighting off mind control isn't so easy. Secondarily, even if it could technically have been fought off, it's still cheating. Sixth and lastly, souls get taken when somebody loses. A forfeit is a loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 and how is that supposed to happen when the seal hasn't even been played? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 and how is that supposed to happen when the seal hasn't even been played? Unless my memory has completely failed me, the seal starts corrupting whoever has it long before it gets played - that's the only reason Yami played it in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 yeah, but if Yami didn't play the seal and lost, how can his soul be taken? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 and how is that supposed to happen when the seal hasn't even been played? Unless my memory has completely failed me' date=' the seal starts corrupting whoever has it long before it gets played - [b']that's the only reason Yami played it in the first place.[/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 yeah I know, he also wanted to free his Dark Magician Girl the Dragon Knight from Rafael's Crystal Seal. However, after all the Orichalcos duels he's seen, he should have at least have the common sense to know no seal on the field means no soul can be taken, regardless of the duel's outcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 and how is that supposed to happen when the seal hasn't even been played? Unless my memory has completely failed me' date=' the seal starts corrupting whoever has it long before it gets played - [b']that's the only reason Yami played it in the first place.[/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 and he should still have enough common sense to see otherwise. The seal's corruption can't drain him of ALL common sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 All it needs to do is tempt him enough that, for a few measly seconds, he is overcome by the heat of the moment and darkness and stuff like that. Don't tell me that a magical mind-controlling doom artifact of darkness isn't capable of accomplishing that for a moment or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 it certainly didn't when he got the card, and if he had looked at his hand more carefully, he would have known he actually still had another move. Remember, the orichalcos does not affect strategy planning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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