Skarlet Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 discuss Wanghu oppression? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 It doesn't work with Wanghu, if I recall correctly; halving the ATK takes too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonisanoob Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 wut ---^ wouldnt this be perfect for whanhu? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 wut ---^ wouldnt this be perfect for whanhu? The ATK-halving effect uses the chain; it isn't Continuous. By the time the ATK is halved, it's too late for Wanghu to use his effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 wut ---^ wouldnt this be perfect for whanhu? The ATK-halving effect uses the chain; it isn't Continuous. By the time the ATK is halved' date=' it's too late for Wanghu to use his effect.[/quote'] Wanghu also uses the chain in exactly the same way; both are mandatory trigger effects that must go off regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 wut ---^ wouldnt this be perfect for whanhu? The ATK-halving effect uses the chain; it isn't Continuous. By the time the ATK is halved' date=' it's too late for Wanghu to use his effect.[/quote'] Wanghu also uses the chain in exactly the same way; both are mandatory trigger effects that must go off regardless. Wanghu's activation is dependent on two conditions: that the monster has just been Normal Summoned or Special Summoned, and that the monster has no more than 1400 ATK. By the time this card has allowed the second condition to be satisfied, the first condition is no longer satisfied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 What makes this effect insert itself in the chain and not Wanghu? Why is it not that Wanghu's effect is the one that effects the summoned monster, but Black Garden? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 What makes this effect insert itself in the chain and not Wanghu? Why is it not that Wanghu's effect is the one that effects the summoned monster' date=' but Black Garden?[/quote'] Wanghu's effect doesn't activate for the same reason that it doesn't activate when I summon Skilled Dark Magician even when Black Garden isn't on the field: namely, because I don't run Skilled Dark Magician because its activation requirement isn't met - it can only activate if the monster has no more than 1400 ATK, and when the monster is Summoned. When the monster is Summoned, it has more than 1400 ATK; its ATK doesn't dip below 1400 until an entire chain has gone past. The ATK is still too high when Wanghu wants to activate, and by the time the ATK is too low for Wanghu to activate, it's far too late; it's just like how you can't use Shrink on a monster and then kill it with Wanghu's effect. This is different from Burden of the Mighty in that Burden of the Mighty is a Continuous effect; it doesn't use the chain, so the monster's ATK is reduced just as it hits the field (as opposed to an entire chain later), and thus Wanghu's activation requirements are both satisfied simultaneously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skarlet Posted December 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 excuse me crab, but this princeipal would logicaly also apply to burden of the mighty, but this works on wanghu, and there for, I belive you are mistaken sir? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 excuse me crab' date=' but this princeipal would logicaly also apply to burden of the mighty, but this works on wanghu, and there for, I belive you are mistaken sir?[/quote'] Why do you people come on text-based forums without the intention of actually reading anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skarlet Posted December 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 I refer, crab to your statemnt reguarding the functionality of Garden-Wanghu oppression, if Im not mistaken ( probably am) Field and Continuous Spells activate at the same speed, and there for I am correct, unless I have made an error, not that there is a point in aguing with you, so yeah I'll double check this now anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 It has nothing to do with the spell type; Black Garden is Trigger, Burden is Continuous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orochi Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 anyway if wanghu worked with black garden, wanghu would kill itself by effect... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 I refer' date=' crab to your statemnt reguarding the functionality of Garden-Wanghu oppression, if Im not mistaken ( probably am) Field and Continuous Spells activate at the same speed, and there for I am correct, unless I have made an error, not that there is a point in aguing with you, so yeah I'll double check this now anyway.[/quote'] The Field and Continuous Spells are both activated at Spell Speed 1, and activating them is akin to activating an Ignition effect; the activation of their effects, however, depends on the individual card. Some effects are Continuous, like Burden of the Mighty; others are Trigger, like Black Garden; and others are Ignition, like Super Nourishing Sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skarlet Posted December 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 point taken, it appears you win, but all the same this is a discussion on the card not that particular combo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SephirothKirby Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 I really like it, personally. What is this 'Blackest Garden' deck I keep hearing about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skarlet Posted December 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Its a plant deck on wow-roids it took down tele-dad rather decicivly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Shocker Android Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Yeah i learned that i doesn't work with wanghu recently wich killed one of my deck idea but anyway. Still plants don't need this to win vs tele-dad, it's just good for a control based plants. That card is just so annoying because of how it complicates the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 point taken' date=' it appears you win, but all the same this is a discussion on the card not that particular combo[/quote'] It's not about winning or losing, it's about learning. 0_0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skarlet Posted December 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 yeah true allow me to rephrase, it appears crab helmet is correct, which is unfortunate, cuse think of the would-be oppression Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Blackest Garden owns. And I admit I hadn't expected this card to ever really find a use, due to the way it hurts you as well as your opponent, and is ridiculously complicated to play. This is an example of the insanity that Jerome McHale has. He goes on Metagame and makes terrible decks and suggests the use of terrible cards. We all laugh at him. Then he goes and revolutionizes Fairies, or Plants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skarlet Posted December 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 I was suprised as all hell when I saw blackest gardens first round results, I just wonder where is gone frome here, how about laughing at this guy over a deck that truely needs his insanity, like Fish, which rely on 3 cards to work, and assumes one doesnt get summoned by the effect of one of the others (Golden Flying Fish, normal summoned Super Ancient Deepsea king - whatshisname and Oister Meister) goood combo but McHaleisation could only help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Cobra Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Summoning the token is silly unless you have some super powerful Plant-Type monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skarlet Posted December 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 yeah true, im toying with this for the chance of some potential OTKs but they're all 4 carders atleast.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SephirothKirby Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 What are 'Wow-Roids'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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