Azure Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 It pretty much means Jaden wins far too much and that Kazuki Takahashi favors him a lot. I agree, have you noticed in the anime Jaden wins more than aster and he's a pro! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbes96 Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 Kazuki takahashi doesn't do yugioh gx.some other guy does, but judae is favored Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 He has to' date=' he's the HERO.[/quote'] The inability to write a hero that doesn't turn out to be a Mary Sue is a serious writing flaw. The problem is not only his winning consistency; it is also the fact that the entire universe bends to his will. He immediately gains the respect of the elitists like Chazz and Zane, the aloof ice queen Alexis instantly develops a crush on him, his fellow students develop a rather unhealthy love for him simply because he smiles, he is the focal point of every single plan launched by every single character, he has a mysterious destiny, he's somehow the reincarnation of a thousands-of-years-old king of darkness who saved the world in the past, the only flaw he's given is that he cares too much about Jesse, he is endowed with the power of magical space aliens that he also somehow created, and by the end of it he has received vague magical powers, a new anime hairstyle, mismatched eyes, and manages to defeat a god who seems to have defeated every single other person in the entire world in duels - repeatedly. And let's not forget that everyone loves him or at least has a grudging respect for him, and he has the power to reform heartless villains simply by playing a game with them. There is nothing here that isn't Suetiful. He didn't reform Nightshroud. Aside from that, you're right, but he still obviously lost to Yugi. By defeating Nightshroud, he managed to seal its evilness away and bring whatever-his-name-is back to normal. That's close enough. But even after freeing Atticus and Yusuke Urameshi free(I'm not sure which one you're referring too right now), I was thinking of Atticus, if that was Alexis's brother's name. Yes, that's Atticus/Fubuki. Nightshroud himself appeared after losing 3 to 1+The entire population of Earth minus 1' date=' but still go[b']t[/b] defeated. I don't understand what you're saying here. I'm basically saying that Nightshroud can defeat everyone in the entire world, including Yugi, but still lost four times, three of those times being to Jaden, two of which included using Red-Eyes, the latter even including a different REDRUM, and his third duel in which he used a very repetitive Deck, but still managed to be defeated by one of the very few Elemental Heroes that can actually OTK, and even then it does so poorly. Who did he lose to, other than Jaden? I have a vague recollection of him doing something in Season 2, but I can't remember who he dueled (Zane maybe?) Anyhow, it seems very likely that most of those people were defeated by Trueman rather than Nightshroud. Of course, Nightshroud is basically Trueman's boss/creator/something like that. He dueled Zane, thinkg that his darkness would stop the darkness he thought had possessed Zane. Trueman>Nightshroud Ah, that's right. But Trueman has an unfair advantage, since he's automatically better because he insists on being called "Mr. T." Didn't he abandon that alias quickly? I bet that if 4Kids decided to cease torturing/raping 5D's and resume butchering GX, they would totally make Trueman talk like Mr. T. Note that since he supposedly defeated almost everyone in the world' date=' that heavily implies he managed to defeat Yugi, who Jaden himself could not defeat.[/quote'] Jaden lost to a Yugi-Yami team that had their entire original deck, complete with the Egyptian God Cards. Nightshroud, assuming that he (or his emissary, Trueman, who seems to be the one that actually dueled most of the people in the world) did manage to defeat Yugi, would have defeated a lone Yugi without the God Cards - or, since his deck was apparently on display, possibly even his entire original deck. Yugi managed to defeat Yami, and his Deck most likely improved since then, as evidenced by Dimitri actually summoning both Dark Magician of Chaos and Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning. True, but part of Yugi's defeat of Yami was that he specifically constructed his deck to counter Yami's, such as by setting up that machine combo to kill the gods (using a set of cards for so long helps you learn their weaknesses, especially since he already knew Slifer's weakness from his first match), or by removing Monster Reborn with Gold Sarcophagus to stop Yami from reviving Slifer. Yugi would never have seen Trueman's deck before. It doesn't matter whether or not Yugi had seen Trueman's deck before since Trueman has I-Can-Use-Any-Card-I-Want HAXORZ. Nah, Trueman just happens to be the only duelist in the universe that uses more than one deck. ...that one guy in Yellow doesn't count. Shut up. >_> You forgot Chazz. Therefore' date=' Yugi and maybe even Nightshroud are Canon Sue's.[/quote'] Sueness isn't merely determined by who wins and loses. I suppose, but Yugi still had some sueness in him. Yugi certainly did - he was the sort-of-reincarnation of an ancient Egyptian Pharaoh who saved the world from destruction and who is a gaming genius who managed to solve a three-dimensional jigsaw puzzle that nobody in the last somethousand years has ever been able to complete, and who manages to reform people like Joey before going on to become the king of card games out of nowhere by channeling ancient spirits, being the chosen one from some prophesy, and having the support of his friends who inexplicably follow him everywhere despite having no real purpose, and who befriends everyone he defeats who isn't already a complete monster and who ARGH IT'S TOO PAINFUL TO GO ON Nightshroud was not a Mary Sue. Merely being powerful is not sufficient to qualify for that title. You forgot his magical ability to use said puzzle to make any card he wants inconscicuously float to the top of his Deck. Yusei has managed to do so by unexplained reasons that can best be described by his Birthmark, but I don't know how much of 5D's you have actually watched. Nononono, you've got their cheating all wrong. Yugi makes up cards as the situation requires. Look at his stuff like Berserker Soul and Ragnarok, or the one that he used to put the Dark Sanctuary ghost into Kuriboh. Those cards definitely did not exist before he needed them. Jaden stacks his deck with whatever cards are needed to win. Yusei magically does exactly the same thing every single duel. I've seen up through the low twenties of 5D's; I think the last duel was Aki against the guy with the LV Knights. It was somewhere in the Semi-Finals, right before Yusei and Aki's duel. Your right about Yugi, but Jaden doesn't stack, since he happens to be surprised when he draws a certain card, and that surprise certainly doesn't stem from the fact that he remembered where said card was stacked. Again, blame Yusei's Birthmark. Aki dueled Jill (The guy with the LV Knights) in the first round, she dueled the Kodo in the seminfinals. I would hurry up since there's someone that shows up in Season Two and in Blood Rose's Avatar and Signature that is best described as the Mao of 5D's. I completely agree that Nightshroud is not a Mary Sue' date=' since his chance to actually be a great villain failed by ultimately "dieing" just like Zorc did, only pathetically.[/quote'] Not only that, but he simply doesn't fit the definition of a Mary Sue. At all. >_> That's because a Mary Sue also has to be the protagonist, right? Is there any Mary Sue-ish title we could use for antagonists? It pretty much means Jaden wins far too much and that Kazuki Takahashi favors him a lot. I agree' date=' have you noticed in the anime Jaden wins more than aster and he's a pro![/quote'] This brings us to where Crab Helmet mentioned how Jaden happens to get have the Neo-Spacians, which he himself designed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 He has to' date=' he's the HERO.[/quote'] The inability to write a hero that doesn't turn out to be a Mary Sue is a serious writing flaw. The problem is not only his winning consistency; it is also the fact that the entire universe bends to his will. He immediately gains the respect of the elitists like Chazz and Zane, the aloof ice queen Alexis instantly develops a crush on him, his fellow students develop a rather unhealthy love for him simply because he smiles, he is the focal point of every single plan launched by every single character, he has a mysterious destiny, he's somehow the reincarnation of a thousands-of-years-old king of darkness who saved the world in the past, the only flaw he's given is that he cares too much about Jesse, he is endowed with the power of magical space aliens that he also somehow created, and by the end of it he has received vague magical powers, a new anime hairstyle, mismatched eyes, and manages to defeat a god who seems to have defeated every single other person in the entire world in duels - repeatedly. And let's not forget that everyone loves him or at least has a grudging respect for him, and he has the power to reform heartless villains simply by playing a game with them. There is nothing here that isn't Suetiful. He didn't reform Nightshroud. Aside from that, you're right, but he still obviously lost to Yugi. By defeating Nightshroud, he managed to seal its evilness away and bring whatever-his-name-is back to normal. That's close enough. But even after freeing Atticus and Yusuke Urameshi free(I'm not sure which one you're referring too right now), I was thinking of Atticus, if that was Alexis's brother's name. Yes, that's Atticus/Fubuki. Nightshroud himself appeared after losing 3 to 1+The entire population of Earth minus 1' date=' but still go[b']t[/b] defeated. I don't understand what you're saying here. I'm basically saying that Nightshroud can defeat everyone in the entire world, including Yugi, but still lost four times, three of those times being to Jaden, two of which included using Red-Eyes, the latter even including a different REDRUM, and his third duel in which he used a very repetitive Deck, but still managed to be defeated by one of the very few Elemental Heroes that can actually OTK, and even then it does so poorly. Who did he lose to, other than Jaden? I have a vague recollection of him doing something in Season 2, but I can't remember who he dueled (Zane maybe?) Anyhow, it seems very likely that most of those people were defeated by Trueman rather than Nightshroud. Of course, Nightshroud is basically Trueman's boss/creator/something like that. He dueled Zane, thinkg that his darkness would stop the darkness he thought had possessed Zane. Trueman>Nightshroud Ah, that's right. But Trueman has an unfair advantage, since he's automatically better because he insists on being called "Mr. T." Didn't he abandon that alias quickly? Not important. It still makes him better, just for saying it. It allows him to pity all sorts of fools. I bet that if 4Kids decided to cease torturing/raping 5D's and resume butchering GX' date=' they would totally make Trueman talk like Mr. T.[/quote'] Probably. Which would be a shame, since he's not supposed to be like that at all. Note that since he supposedly defeated almost everyone in the world' date=' that heavily implies he managed to defeat Yugi, who Jaden himself could not defeat.[/quote'] Jaden lost to a Yugi-Yami team that had their entire original deck, complete with the Egyptian God Cards. Nightshroud, assuming that he (or his emissary, Trueman, who seems to be the one that actually dueled most of the people in the world) did manage to defeat Yugi, would have defeated a lone Yugi without the God Cards - or, since his deck was apparently on display, possibly even his entire original deck. Yugi managed to defeat Yami, and his Deck most likely improved since then, as evidenced by Dimitri actually summoning both Dark Magician of Chaos and Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning. True, but part of Yugi's defeat of Yami was that he specifically constructed his deck to counter Yami's, such as by setting up that machine combo to kill the gods (using a set of cards for so long helps you learn their weaknesses, especially since he already knew Slifer's weakness from his first match), or by removing Monster Reborn with Gold Sarcophagus to stop Yami from reviving Slifer. Yugi would never have seen Trueman's deck before. It doesn't matter whether or not Yugi had seen Trueman's deck before since Trueman has I-Can-Use-Any-Card-I-Want HAXORZ. Nah, Trueman just happens to be the only duelist in the universe that uses more than one deck. ...that one guy in Yellow doesn't count. Shut up. >_> You forgot Chazz. His stupid Dead Peoplez deck that he uses approximately once in the entire series doesn't count either. >_> Therefore' date=' Yugi and maybe even Nightshroud are Canon Sue's.[/quote'] Sueness isn't merely determined by who wins and loses. I suppose, but Yugi still had some sueness in him. Yugi certainly did - he was the sort-of-reincarnation of an ancient Egyptian Pharaoh who saved the world from destruction and who is a gaming genius who managed to solve a three-dimensional jigsaw puzzle that nobody in the last somethousand years has ever been able to complete, and who manages to reform people like Joey before going on to become the king of card games out of nowhere by channeling ancient spirits, being the chosen one from some prophesy, and having the support of his friends who inexplicably follow him everywhere despite having no real purpose, and who befriends everyone he defeats who isn't already a complete monster and who ARGH IT'S TOO PAINFUL TO GO ON Nightshroud was not a Mary Sue. Merely being powerful is not sufficient to qualify for that title. You forgot his magical ability to use said puzzle to make any card he wants inconscicuously float to the top of his Deck. Yusei has managed to do so by unexplained reasons that can best be described by his Birthmark, but I don't know how much of 5D's you have actually watched. Nononono, you've got their cheating all wrong. Yugi makes up cards as the situation requires. Look at his stuff like Berserker Soul and Ragnarok, or the one that he used to put the Dark Sanctuary ghost into Kuriboh. Those cards definitely did not exist before he needed them. Jaden stacks his deck with whatever cards are needed to win. Yusei magically does exactly the same thing every single duel. I've seen up through the low twenties of 5D's; I think the last duel was Aki against the guy with the LV Knights. It was somewhere in the Semi-Finals, right before Yusei and Aki's duel. Your right about Yugi, but Jaden doesn't stack, since he happens to be surprised when he draws a certain card, and that surprise certainly doesn't stem from the fact that he remembered where said card was stacked. He stacks subconsciously. Or Neos stacks it for him. Or one of his split personalities is in charge of stacking. Whatever. Again' date=' blame Yusei's Birthmark.[/quote'] I prefer to blame the writers being unimaginative. >_> Aki dueled Jill (The guy with the LV Knights) in the first round' date=' she dueled the Kodo in the seminfinals.[/quote'] I guess I got mixed up. I think I saw the Kodo duel. I would hurry up since there's someone that shows up in Season Two and in Blood Rose's Avatar and Signature that is best described as the Mao of 5D's. Is this the one who uses Black Feathers? I completely agree that Nightshroud is not a Mary Sue' date=' since his chance to actually be a great villain failed by ultimately "dieing" just like Zorc did, only pathetically.[/quote'] Not only that, but he simply doesn't fit the definition of a Mary Sue. At all. >_> That's because a Mary Sue also has to be the protagonist, right? Is there any Mary Sue-ish title we could use for antagonists? No. He's just not a Mary Sue. At all. Here's part of TV Trope's description of a Mary Sue: This character is as a black hole. Her gravity is so great' date=' she draws all the attention and causes other characters (and, often, reality itself) to bend and contort in order to accommodate her. Characters don't act naturally around her. They instead serve as plot enablers for her. She dominates every scene she is in, with most scenes without her serving only to give the characters a chance to "talk freely" about her. Most people don't oppose her and anybody who does will either realize their fault in doing so or just prove easy to overcome. The very laws of the universe bend to accommodate her. If there's only one in a million chance she could succeed at something, she'll accomplish it with flying colors. If the logical outcome of the story would end in her failure, a Deus Ex Machina will insure her victory. Nothing is too implausible for Mary to accomplish, whether it be going from Rags To Royalty, killing an Eldritch Abomination, or bringing about world peace. This is fairly blatant author favoritism in effect, with the author using his or her effective position as God of the story to carry the character through by her hands. In the rare cases when Mary fails, it will usually be a temporary setback that will either prove advantageous in the end or else just serve to hammer in the point of how special the character is. These failures can often involve just as much Deus Ex Machina as her successes, setting up events that she logically shouldn't fail in. [/quote'] Being a Mary Sue is determined not by sheer power but by interaction as well, and Nightshroud doesn't have the plot gravity of a Mary Sue, nor does he interact with other characters like one. Nightshroud just has one common Mary Sue trait, i.e. being really strong - and considering that he's The Big Bad of the season, he's expected to be really strong. Strength and Sueness often go hand in hand, but they are still very separate - strong people can be perfectly legitimate characters, while there's even an entire category of Mary Sues (called Anti-Sues - incidentally, the Anti-Sue page does a good job explaining what really determines Sueness) that are very weak while still being Mary Sues. There are evil Mary Sues, called Villain Sues, but Nightshroud is by no means one of them. It pretty much means Jaden wins far too much and that Kazuki Takahashi favors him a lot. I agree' date=' have you noticed in the anime Jaden wins more than aster and he's a pro![/quote'] This brings us to where Crab Helmet mentioned how Jaden happens to get have the Neo-Spacians, which he himself designed. Pity it seems he didn't finish designing them; I want to see the NEX series completed. 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Phantom Roxas Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 [quote='Crab Helmet' pid='1433434' dateline='1228524946'] [quote='Roxas' pid='1433271' dateline='1228522940'] [quote='Crab Helmet' pid='1430915' dateline='1228456001'] [quote='Roxas' pid='1430801' dateline='1228452660'] [quote='Crab Helmet' pid='1430777' dateline='1228451909'] [quote='Roxas' pid='1430641' dateline='1228449204'] [quote='Crab Helmet' pid='1430514' dateline='1228446750'] [quote='Roxas' pid='1430457' dateline='1228445711'] [quote='Crab Helmet' pid='1430012' dateline='1228438563'] [quote='Roxas' pid='1429873' dateline='1228436265'] [quote='Crab Helmet' pid='1429537' dateline='1228429946'] [quote='Professor Cobra' pid='1429256' dateline='1228425401'] He has to, he's the HERO. [/quote] The inability to write a hero that doesn't turn out to be a Mary Sue is a serious writing flaw. The problem is not only his winning consistency; it is also the fact that the entire universe bends to his will. He immediately gains the respect of the elitists like Chazz and Zane, the aloof ice queen Alexis instantly develops a crush on him, his fellow students develop a rather unhealthy love for him simply because he smiles, he is the focal point of every single plan launched by every single character, he has a mysterious destiny, he's somehow the reincarnation of a thousands-of-years-old king of darkness who saved the world in the past, the only flaw he's given is that he [i]cares too much[/i] about Jesse, he is endowed with the power of magical space aliens that he also somehow created, and by the end of it he has received vague magical powers, a new anime hairstyle, mismatched eyes, and manages to defeat a god who seems to have defeated every single other person in the entire world in duels - [i]repeatedly[/i]. And let's not forget that everyone loves him or at least has a grudging respect for him, and he has the power to reform heartless villains simply by playing a game with them. There is nothing here that isn't Suetiful. [/quote] He didn't reform Nightshroud. Aside from that, you're right, but he still obviously lost to Yugi. [/quote] By defeating Nightshroud, he managed to seal its evilness away and bring whatever-his-name-is back to normal. That's close enough. [/quote] But even after freeing Atticus and Yusuke [s]Urameshi[/s] free(I'm not sure which one you're referring too right now), [/quote] I was thinking of Atticus, if that was Alexis's brother's name. [/quote] Yes, that's Atticus/Fubuki. [quote=Crab Helmet] [quote='Roxas' pid='1430457' dateline='1228445711'] Nightshroud himself appeared after losing 3 to 1+The entire population of Earth minus 1, but still go[b]t[/b] defeated. [/quote] I don't understand what you're saying here. [/quote] I'm basically saying that Nightshroud can defeat everyone in the entire world, including Yugi, but still lost four times, three of those times being to Jaden, two of which included using Red-Eyes, the latter even including a different REDRUM, and his third duel in which he used a very repetitive Deck, but still managed to be defeated by one of the very few Elemental Heroes that can actually OTK, and even then it does so poorly. [/quote] Who did he lose to, other than Jaden? I have a vague recollection of him doing something in Season 2, but I can't remember who he dueled (Zane maybe?) Anyhow, it seems very likely that most of those people were defeated by Trueman rather than Nightshroud. Of course, Nightshroud is basically Trueman's boss/creator/something like that. [/quote] He dueled Zane, thinkg that his darkness would stop the darkness he thought had possessed Zane. Trueman>Nightshroud [/quote] Ah, that's right. But Trueman has an unfair advantage, since he's automatically better because he insists on being called "Mr. T." [/quote] Didn't he abandon that alias quickly? [/quote] Not important. It still makes him better, just for saying it. It allows him to pity all sorts of fools. [/quote] Including Jaden. [quote=Crab Helmet] [quote='Roxas' pid='1433271' dateline='1228522940'] I bet that if 4Kids decided to cease torturing/raping 5D's and resume butchering GX, they would totally make Trueman talk like Mr. T. [/quote] Probably. Which would be a shame, since he's not supposed to be like that at all. [/quote] You expect 4Kids to go on what a character should be like completely? [quote=Crab Helmet] [quote='Roxas' pid='1433271' dateline='1228522940'] [quote=Crab Helmet] [quote='Roxas' pid='1430801' dateline='1228452660'] [quote=Crab Helmet] [quote='Roxas' pid='1430641' dateline='1228449204'] [quote=Crab Helmet] [quote='Roxas' pid='1430457' dateline='1228445711'] Note that since he supposedly defeated almost everyone in the world, that heavily implies he managed to defeat Yugi, who Jaden himself could not defeat. [/quote] Jaden lost to a Yugi-Yami team that had their entire original deck, complete with the Egyptian God Cards. Nightshroud, assuming that he (or his emissary, Trueman, who seems to be the one that actually dueled most of the people in the world) did manage to defeat Yugi, would have defeated a lone Yugi without the God Cards - or, since his deck was apparently on display, possibly even his entire original deck. [/quote] Yugi managed to defeat Yami, and his Deck most likely improved since then, as evidenced by Dimitri actually summoning both Dark Magician of Chaos and Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning. [/quote] True, but part of Yugi's defeat of Yami was that he specifically constructed his deck to counter Yami's, such as by setting up that machine combo to kill the gods (using a set of cards for so long helps you learn their weaknesses, especially since he already knew Slifer's weakness from his first match), or by removing Monster Reborn with Gold Sarcophagus to stop Yami from reviving Slifer. Yugi would never have seen Trueman's deck before. [/quote] It doesn't matter whether or not Yugi had seen Trueman's deck before since Trueman has I-Can-Use-Any-Card-I-Want HAXORZ. [/quote] Nah, Trueman just happens to be the only duelist in the universe that uses more than one deck. ...that one guy in Yellow doesn't count. Shut up. >_> [/quote] You forgot Chazz. [/quote] His stupid Dead Peoplez deck that he uses approximately once in the entire series doesn't count either. >_> [/quote] So Armed Dragon LV10, VWXYZ - Dragon Catapult Cannon, and even Ojama [s]Pink[/s] Yellow are now suddenly worth mention? [quote=Crab Helmet] [quote='Roxas' pid='1433271' dateline='1228522940'] [quote=Crab Helmet] [quote='Roxas' pid='1430801' dateline='1228452660'] [quote=Crab Helmet] [quote='Roxas' pid='1430641' dateline='1228449204'] [quote=Crab Helmet] [quote='Roxas' pid='1430457' dateline='1228445711'] Therefore, Yugi and maybe even Nightshroud are Canon Sue's. [/quote] Sueness isn't merely determined by who wins and loses. [/quote] I suppose, but Yugi still had some sueness in him. [/quote] Yugi certainly did - he was the sort-of-reincarnation of an ancient Egyptian Pharaoh who saved the world from destruction and who is a gaming genius who managed to solve a three-dimensional jigsaw puzzle that nobody in the last somethousand years has ever been able to complete, and who manages to reform people like Joey before going on to become the king of card games out of nowhere by channeling ancient spirits, being the chosen one from some prophesy, and having the support of his friends who inexplicably follow him everywhere despite having no real purpose, and who befriends everyone he defeats who isn't already a complete monster and who ARGH IT'S TOO PAINFUL TO GO ON Nightshroud was not a Mary Sue. Merely being powerful is not sufficient to qualify for that title. [/quote] You forgot his magical ability to use said puzzle to make any card he wants inconscicuously float to the top of his Deck. Yusei has managed to do so by unexplained reasons that can best be described by his Birthmark, but I don't know how much of 5D's you have actually watched. [/quote] Nononono, you've got their cheating all wrong. Yugi makes up cards as the situation requires. Look at his stuff like Berserker Soul and Ragnarok, or the one that he used to put the Dark Sanctuary ghost into Kuriboh. Those cards definitely did not exist before he needed them. Jaden stacks his deck with whatever cards are needed to win. Yusei magically does exactly the same thing every single duel. I've seen up through the low twenties of 5D's; I think the last duel was Aki against the guy with the LV Knights. It was somewhere in the Semi-Finals, right before Yusei and Aki's duel. [/quote] Your right about Yugi, but Jaden doesn't stack, since he happens to be surprised when he draws a certain card, and that surprise certainly doesn't stem from the fact that he remembered where said card was stacked. [/quote] He stacks subconsciously. Or Neos stacks it for him. Or one of his split personalities is in charge of stacking. Whatever. [/quote] I say he does so subconsciously. [quote=Crab Helmet] [quote='Roxas' pid='1433271' dateline='1228522940'] Again, blame Yusei's Birthmark. [/quote] I prefer to blame the writers being unimaginative. >_> [/quote] Or that. [quote=Crab Helmet] [quote='Roxas' pid='1433271' dateline='1228522940'] Aki dueled Jill (The guy with the LV Knights) in the first round, she dueled the Kodo in the seminfinals. [/quote] I guess I got mixed up. I think I saw the Kodo duel. [quote='Roxas' pid='1433271' dateline='1228522940'] I would hurry up since there's someone that shows up in Season Two and in Blood Rose's Avatar and Signature that is best described as the Mao of 5D's. [/quote] Is this the one who uses Black Feathers? [/quote] No, that's Crow. [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ3AMKrCYP8]Kyosuke[/url] is the one that uses One-Hundred Eye Dragon. [quote=Crab Helmet] [quote='Roxas' pid='1433271' dateline='1228522940'] [quote=Crab Helmet] [quote='Roxas' pid='1430801' dateline='1228452660'] I completely agree that Nightshroud is not a Mary Sue, since his chance to actually be a great villain failed by ultimately "dieing" just like Zorc did, only pathetically. [/quote] Not only that, but he simply doesn't fit the definition of a Mary Sue. At all. >_> [/quote] That's because a Mary Sue also has to be the protagonist, right? Is there any Mary Sue-ish title we could use for antagonists? [/quote] No. He's just not a Mary Sue. At all. Here's part of TV Trope's description of a Mary Sue: [quote=TV Tropes]This character is as a black hole. Her gravity is so great, she draws all the attention and causes other characters (and, often, reality itself) to bend and contort in order to accommodate her. Characters don't act naturally around her. They instead serve as plot enablers for her. She dominates every scene she is in, with most scenes without her serving only to give the characters a chance to "talk freely" about her. Most people don't oppose her and anybody who does will either realize their fault in doing so or just prove easy to overcome. The very laws of the universe bend to accommodate her. If there's only one in a million chance she could succeed at something, she'll accomplish it with flying colors. If the logical outcome of the story would end in her failure, a Deus Ex Machina will insure her victory. Nothing is too implausible for Mary to accomplish, whether it be going from Rags To Royalty, killing an Eldritch Abomination, or bringing about world peace. This is fairly blatant author favoritism in effect, with the author using his or her effective position as God of the story to carry the character through by her hands. In the rare cases when Mary fails, it will usually be a temporary setback that will either prove advantageous in the end or else just serve to hammer in the point of how special the character is. These failures can often involve just as much Deus Ex Machina as her successes, setting up events that she logically shouldn't fail in. [/quote] Being a Mary Sue is determined not by sheer power but by interaction as well, and Nightshroud doesn't have the plot gravity of a Mary Sue, nor does he interact with other characters like one. Nightshroud just has one common Mary Sue trait, i.e. being really strong - and considering that he's The Big Bad of the season, he's expected to be really strong. Strength and Sueness often go hand in hand, but they are still very separate - strong people can be perfectly legitimate characters, while there's even an entire category of Mary Sues (called Anti-Sues - incidentally, the [url=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AntiSue]Anti-Sue page[/url] does a good job explaining what [i]really[/i] determines Sueness) that are very weak while still being Mary Sues. There are evil Mary Sues, called Villain Sues, but Nightshroud is by no means one of them. [/quote] After reading that, he sure isn't. [quote=Crab Helmet] [quote='Roxas' pid='1433271' dateline='1228522940'] [quote='UltimateDestiny13' pid='1431268' dateline='1228479654'] [quote='Roxas' pid='1428476' dateline='1228402727'] It pretty much means Jaden wins far too much and that Kazuki Takahashi favors him a lot. [/quote] I agree, have you noticed in the anime Jaden wins more than aster and he's a pro! [/quote] This brings us to where Crab Helmet mentioned how Jaden happens to get have the Neo-Spacians, which he himself designed. [/quote] Pity it seems he didn't finish designing them; I want to see the NEX series completed. [/quote] I know, that's the one series Jaden has I actually wanted to see more of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HO-IG-UY Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 Jaden Yuki is one of the best duelist's in the history of Yu-Gi-Oh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skuldur Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 Jaden Yuki is one of the best duelist's in the history of Yu-Gi-Oh if that isn't sarcasm, you fail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellKaiserofDarkness Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 jaden is a littel B****. enough said.lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazer Yoshi Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Maybe Kazuki is.... no. Wait....Well, he IS the main Character, but a bad one at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Maybe Kazuki is.... no. Wait....Well' date=' he IS the main Character, but a bad one at it.[/quote'] Who is Kazuki? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Maybe Kazuki is.... no. Wait....Well' date=' he IS the main Character, but a bad one at it.[/quote'] Who is Kazuki? Kazuki Takahashi. EDIT: Apparently she's also a character from the anime GetBackers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 It's Yu-Gi-Oh. I'm not expecting an over the top and elaborate, engrossing storyline. I'm not even expecting a coherent, mildly amusing storyline... I lost my train of thought. Oh yeah, lol, an anime based on a children's card game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 2 words: Anime Bubbleman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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