Infernal Dragon- Discussion

[cerberus21]

I think Infernal Dragon is pretty good. It's got 4 stars, so it can be normal summoned w/out a tribute, and it has 2000 ATK. Sure you have to tribute if you want to attack w/ it again, but if you run some cards that do tokens, like Grinder Golem, you can get him back easy. If you don't have anything to tribute, you can just leave him in Attack position like you would Goblin Attack Force. What do you guys think of him?

[CrabHelmet]

This card is horrible, especially with Grinder Golem. Why on earth would you give your opponent a 3000 ATK beatstick in order to help you recycle your 2000 ATK beatstick?

 

Gene-Warped Warwolf is infinitely better. Just use him.

[cerberus21]

Grinder Golem doesn't specify which position you have to special summon him in, so you can just special summon him in DEF mode and destroy him w/ Infernal Dragon.

[CrabHelmet]

Grinder Golem doesn't specify which position you have to special summon him in' date=' so you can just special summon him in DEF mode and destroy him w/ Infernal Dragon.

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Which uses up his attack, defeating the purpose of using him in the first place.

 

Gene-Warped Warwolf. And if you don't like him, then Zombyra.

[cerberus21]

But Zombyra attack lessens and makes him pretty much ineffective after the first attack. I've found ways of making the dragon work in my deck.

[Tabris]

It's sad when a Normal outclasses an Effect Monster (the Rallis effect, anyone?).

[Skarlet]

CoSR + Infernal + Grinder in DEF

 

you + 1 your self, and -1 your opponent off grinder, you then destroy grinder, tribute a token, to SS Infernal and draw a card, making this veriant productive in a small way

[Guest PikaPerson01]

CoSR + Infernal + Grinder in DEF

 

you + 1 your self' date=' and -1 your opponent off grinder, you then destroy grinder, tribute a token, to SS Infernal and draw a card, making this veriant productive in a small way

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Three card combo that only helps you draw one card!?! 0_0

[Valkyrie Lupia Blitzer]

This card sucks. Just like Triple Viper, except it self destructs and can have infinite attacks.

[Skarlet]

CoSR + Infernal + Grinder in DEF

 

you + 1 your self' date=' and -1 your opponent off grinder, you then destroy grinder, tribute a token, to SS Infernal and draw a card, making this veriant productive in a small way

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Three card combo that only helps you draw one card!?! 0_0

this a microcosam of a greaterr deck which would revolve around SSing from the GY and drawing with CoSR

[CrabHelmet]

CoSR + Infernal + Grinder in DEF

 

you + 1 your self' date=' and -1 your opponent off grinder, you then destroy grinder, tribute a token, to SS Infernal and draw a card, making this veriant productive in a small way

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Three card combo that only helps you draw one card!?! 0_0

this a microcosam of a greaterr deck which would revolve around SSing from the GY and drawing with CoSR

 

The word is spelled "microcosm", and this combo isn't a microcosm. Apparently, you neither know what the word means nor how to spell it, but decided to use it anyhow because you thought it sounded cool.

 

There are 3-card combos that instantly win games; a 3-card combo designed to draw one card is laughable.

 

Your idea for a "greaterr deck" is nonsense. Mantiloop, Bushi, Plants, and Zombies have no need for this card, and you'll be hard-pressed to find greater abuse of COSR than those four.

[Skarlet]

I know the meaning of the word microcosm, spelling IO'll admit to, but the word in essence means a small part of a larger whole, I belive?

[CrabHelmet]

I know the meaning of the word microcosm' date=' spelling IO'll admit to, but the word in essence means a small part of a larger whole, I belive?

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A microcosm is not a smaller part of a large whole; it is essentially something on a lower level that repeats the same patterns as the macrocosm. The theory of macrocosms and microcosms states that the entire universe is composed of such worlds on different scales, and that all have the same patterns.

 

Though the (bad) combo is a part of the deck in question, it cannot serve as a lower-level representation of said deck and does not consist of the same structures, and thus is not a microcosm.

[Skarlet]

I see, well excuse my poor knowledge of this, I have been misinformed allow me to rephrase, this combo, probably working at the same time as The Creator or a similar card, would function as a smaller component of the aformentioned deck

[CrabHelmet]

There are several problems with your cunning plan:

 

1) There are at least five decks that already abuse COSR far better than your deck possibly could. No matter how many The Creators and Infernal Dragons you run, Zombies will laugh in your face.

 

2) With only 2 COSR and no way to search it, basing your deck on COSR leads to horrible inconsistencies.

 

3) Drawing with COSR can only help you up to a certain point; you need a win condition into which to draw. And frankly, the cards you're planning on using don't exactly lend themselves to a coherent win condition.

[Skarlet]

I apear to have been bested, hat's off to you crab

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

You'd be better off running this card in a Zombie deck with Zombie World than trying to run a deck of its own >>

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

Um, I thought of Cyber Dark, Zombie World, and Skill Drain.

 

The last one is pointless because Gene-Warped Werewolf exists though, so...yeah.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

Um' date=' I thought of Cyber Dark, Zombie World, and Skill Drain.

 

The last one is pointless because Gene-Warped Werewolf exists though, so...yeah.

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Well, I believe it would allow you to use its second effect, though.

[CrabHelmet]

Um' date=' I thought of Cyber Dark, Zombie World, and Skill Drain.

 

The last one is pointless because Gene-Warped Werewolf exists though, so...yeah.

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And the first one is pointless because it's Level 4, and thus can't be picked up by anything except Cyberdark Dragon itself, which has much better targets.

 

And the middle one is rather pointless too, since Zombies have much better options, and not much they'd want to tribute for this card (except Goblin Zombie).

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

Um' date=' I thought of Cyber Dark, Zombie World, and Skill Drain.

 

The last one is pointless because Gene-Warped Werewolf exists though, so...yeah.

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And the first one is pointless because it's Level 4, and thus can't be picked up by anything except Cyberdark Dragon itself, which has much better targets.

 

And the middle one is rather pointless too, since Zombies have much better options, and not much they'd want to tribute for this card (except Goblin Zombie).

 

Yes, but those are the top three uses, would you not say?

 

Wait, never mind, Hunter Dragon is the card that works well with Cyberdark.

[cerberus21]

CoSR + Infernal + Grinder in DEF

 

you + 1 your self' date=' and -1 your opponent off grinder, you then destroy grinder, tribute a token, to SS Infernal and draw a card, making this veriant productive in a small way

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This guy gets it, but when i said i run Infernal Dragon, i didn't mean it was a center point of a deck, it's just a combo i like. I hardly based my entire deck around a 2000 ATK monster.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

Um' date=' I thought of Cyber Dark, Zombie World, and Skill Drain.

 

The last one is pointless because Gene-Warped Werewolf exists though, so...yeah.

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And the first one is pointless because it's Level 4, and thus can't be picked up by anything except Cyberdark Dragon itself, which has much better targets.

 

And the middle one is rather pointless too, since Zombies have much better options, and not much they'd want to tribute for this card (except Goblin Zombie).

Well, it could just be used to suicide as well. If you're running something like Doomkaiser/Buster and Summon this card with it, then you can bypass its destruction pretty much and get a free draw for CoSR.

 

Not that this is a good strategy. I'm just laying it out there.