Iraq War

[ragnarok1945]

*shrugs* I consider that reasonable. It's the way of "just to be safe"

[speznats]

i think "being safe" is just a way of reasuring your self that all the comditys you enjoy now never are threatened look out the window.Life the world we live in is kill or be killed

there is only one certanty in life and that is death one day posibly even befor your very eyes this contrey might collapse is there any real resoltion to any conflict with out violences

no because the esence of all conflict is differece and we are all different

[ragnarok1945]

well if we go by what you're saying we might as well wipe out every other nation on the planet to make sure we can't be threatened by them ever again.

[speznats]

no that if we really want to quell our conflict just grant the total none exsistance

this contrey has gone to far that we have crossed the line the military has put to much of a strain on the population im say its time for some change around here and no im talking about obama

no im saying

 

LET THE REVOLUTION BEGIN

[ragnarok1945]

We've crossed the line LONG before the times of Bush you know. This country is still young and does not understand how the situation works in the world

[speznats]

of corss i do this contrey fails to learn from its mistakes for example

the economic depression we are experiencing right now hasn't this happened be for

hmmm...... lets think you know what a us senator said when a news crew asked him were he thought this criss would end he said "riots in the streets"

just think of all the people who would die if they didn't have the things they have now

we need to stop this suicidal rampage across the glode we need to stop our selfves from rolling down hill while we still can

because we are the we are a center of a world if we go down we take the rest of the world with us

[Tabris]

Mass withdrawal isn't the correct answer. Start bringing them back at a steady pace' date=' let the insurgents know that although we're not there, it's not good to screw with us.

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Easier said than done; then again, the best option the US has (not that it has any more options to tackle with).

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of corss i do this contrey fails to learn from its mistakes for example

the economic depression we are experiencing right now hasn't this happened be for

hmmm...... lets think you know what a us senator said when a news crew asked him were he thought this criss would end he said "riots in the streets"

just think of all the people who would die if they didn't have the things they have now

we need to stop this suicidal rampage across the glode we needto stop our selfves from rolling down hill while we still can

 

Mine request: fix your grammar. Or is that too much to ask?

[ragnarok1945]

of corss i do this contrey fails to learn from its mistakes for example

the economic depression we are experiencing right now hasn't this happened be for

hmmm...... lets think you know what a us senator said when a news crew asked him were he thought this criss would end he said "riots in the streets"

just think of all the people who would die if they didn't have the things they have now

we need to stop this suicidal rampage across the glode we need to stop our selfves from rolling down hill while we still can

because we are the we are a center of a world if we go down we take the rest of the world with us

 

the last time we had this happen was over 75 years ago for the depression. And your saying of us being the center of the world is merely US ego. You really think we determine the fate of the world? That if we go down the rest of the world will perish with us?

[speznats]

we have ties to every othere contrey and any one of them could thourly screw us over

like china we owe them billions one day they could say okay we want our money back

and you know what we would not be able to pay them in 1953 you know what the national debt was 0$

and now its approaching the billions im not saying that we have not made good choices in the past it just that a few little mistakes here and there could spell the end

and earlyer that was not derected at you regnarok but at Tabris

[ragnarok1945]

oh I did. And this country learns from its mistakes only at the cost of way too many lives (not in terms of death, but certainly in terms of dream shattering)

[speznats]

ah now we come to the american dream a idealist world of perfect ness that one from any contrey or ethnic group could come to america and start a life from scratch but that is simply not true because that was then and this is now we would like to think that is true but simply it is not because it is not the america it used to be there isn't enouph strenght in our contrey

right now to suport that kind of increas millions are homeless and the number is grow in fast

i truely feal for thous who have had there dreams shattered that was all most me

[ragnarok1945]

that is true. Whatever immigrants thought of then they'd have to reconsider now.

 

Back on topic though, this slow withdraw is necessary just in case Iraq pulls some slight of hand

[speznats]

i agree that what ive been saying but it need to be more rapid american needs to be back on its feat with out the strain of the millitay over spending

[ragnarok1945]

yeah well if we speed up and something goes wrong, we may have to spend even more to restore order in Iraq.

 

You'd rather have a slow withdraw and spend more, or run the risk of withdrawing fast and hope nothing goes wrong and spend less? (In which case it something goes wrong you know what will happen)

[speznats]

i know nothing will go wrong it has been done befor

[ragnarok1945]

perhaps, but you know as well as I do the government is never going to take the chance you're suggesting

[problematica]

i am really disapointed in you all and bush we rush in to a war that we could not win

modern war is an insurgency there is no clear definition of victory no way of defiantly knowing when victory has been achieved how in truth can we know with out a shadow of a doubt that we have won when we kill every last person in the midle east i truly think not the threat of nuclear war was bad enouph but modren war is unexspected an enemy could be any were he could attack at any time he cares not for his own life he is bound by no contrey

so tell me what is victory in the time we live in now i say with out a doubt pull out

 

So' date=' according to you, there has absolutely been no victory in the history of the world? Because there has never been a complete removal of everyone who opposes the winning force. You're making modern warfare sound like a bunch of renegade guerilla fighting.

 

i think "being safe" is just a way of reasuring your self that all the comditys you enjoy now never are threatened look out the window.Life the world we live in is kill or be killed

there is only one certanty in life and that is death one day posibly even befor your very eyes this contrey might collapse is there any real resoltion to any conflict with out violences

no because the esence of all conflict is differece and we are all different

 

No, "being safe" is making sure nothing goes wrong.

Yes, the world we live in is kill or be killed. Then again, that contradicts the natural human need to care for something and the need for socializing.

Actually, there is not only the certainty of death, but the certainty of life as well.

Well, every country, let alone every organization, could collapse at any time.

Have you heard of something called the Cold War? That was a little standoff between the US and the USSR, there was kind of no fighting at all.

 

no that if we really want to quell our conflict just grant the total none exsistance

this contrey has gone to far that we have crossed the line the military has put to much of a strain on the population im say its time for some change around here and no im talking about obama

no im saying

 

LET THE REVOLUTION BEGIN

 

Revolution would be the absolutely dumbest idea ever. The system that the US works with is good' date=' it needs some adjusting, but you can't really find much better in the world.

 

of corss i do this contrey fails to learn from its mistakes for example

the economic depression we are experiencing right now hasn't this happened be for

hmmm...... lets think you know what a us senator said when a news crew asked him were he thought this criss would end he said "riots in the streets"

just think of all the people who would die if they didn't have the things they have now

we need to stop this suicidal rampage across the glode we need to stop our selfves from rolling down hill while we still can

because we are the we are a center of a world if we go down we take the rest of the world with us

 

Only mistake we truly seem to never learn from is electing Republicans as president.

We're in a recession, not a depression. I don't care what anyone says, it has not gone on long enough to legally be considered a depression. And it's not even close to the level of previous depressions.

Okay, a senator said that. So what? Another senator said that this crisis "will be over soon".

What suicidal rampage? We're not going around killing ourselves. And what's a glode?

The fall of our country would only draw the world back, not ruin every single last other country.

 

ah now we come to the american dream a idealist world of perfect ness that one from any contrey or ethnic group could come to america and start a life from scratch but that is simply not true because that was then and this is now we would like to think that is true but simply it is not because it is not the america it used to be there isn't enouph strenght in our contrey

right now to suport that kind of increas millions are homeless and the number is grow in fast

i truely feal for thous who have had there dreams shattered that was all most me

 

You know why we have so many immigrants every year? Because people do come into the country without much and manage to get good jobs and good lives.

What are you talking about support this kind of increase? We get new immigrants every year' date=' it's not a new thing for us.

Yeah, there are homeless people, but there are a lot more with homes.

 

i know nothing will go wrong it has been done befor

 

Such as?

 

Also, learn grammer, capitalization, spelling, and punctuation.

[LuigiFan#1]

i don't care how they do it, just end the damn thing

[ragnarok1945]

that's the complications of the world today: the method in which to end things is now relevant