Saturn of Elemia Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 So we've established that distance is not a factor in this battle for EITHER player. Great. Now let's move on to their skills and such. Shanoa has FORMAL training from Ecclesia. Not sure about Soma... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larxene Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Soma's the funking reincarnation of Dracula. He doesn't need training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn of Elemia Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Soma's the f***ing reincarnation of Dracula. He doesn't need training. By that logic, then you're saying that the son of the greatest cop of all time wouldn't need any training just because he's the offspring of the greatest cop of all time? Not a chance. What good is ultimate power if you don't know how to properly use it? You still need SOME degree of training in order to use it. If Soma had more training, then I MIGHT side with him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larxene Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Reincarnation means being the same person just reborn, with all the same abilities and skills. Also, the difficulty of Order of Ecclesia shows how weak Shanoa is compared to Soma whose games were extremely easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn of Elemia Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Reincarnation means being the same person just reborn' date=' with all the same abilities and skills. Also, the difficulty of Order of Ecclesia shows how weak Shanoa is compared to Soma whose games were extremely easy.[/quote'] Being reborn with the same ability and skills, but not the knowledge to use them all. That's the flaw with reincarnations. They practically NEVER remember anything from the previous life right off the bat - they need TRAINING and STIMULATION in order to remember...and it DOES take time for this. And you're basing how one is superior to the others in terms of game difficulty? That's like saying Link can defeat Mario on the ONLY grounds that his games were harder. How in the hell does game difficulty matter whatsoever? By your logic on this matter, Soma would get slaughtered since he has it SO easy being all overconfident because his games were easier. Shanoa, on the other hand, is stronger because she got the harder game and STILL manages to defeat the Lord of Darkness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larxene Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 No, you misunderstood my point. They aren't actually playing the game, they're living it. Shanoa's game is harder, because she had a harder time fighting the enemies and Dracula. Soma had an easier time, because he was stronger. Oh, and Link would kill Mario, but that's not the point. Those are two different series. Soma and Shanoa are two characters from the same series. My point wasn't a definite reason why Soma is stronger, it's just an example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn of Elemia Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 No' date=' you misunderstood my point. They aren't actually playing the game, they're living it. Shanoa's game is harder, because she had a harder time fighting the enemies and Dracula. Soma had an easier time, because he was stronger. Oh, and Link would kill Mario, but that's not the point. Those are two different series. Soma and Shanoa are two characters from the same series. My point wasn't a definite reason why Soma is stronger, it's just an example.[/quote'] I know good and well that they're living their game. (LOL that this is even being brought up) And Shanoa has the Dominus Glyphs which harbor Dracula's power and, in fact, are used in order to defeat Dracula. So, they both have the power of Dracula. Shanoa has Dominus and Soma is the reincarnation, but doesn't know how to use them to their FULL potential (unless he succumbs to it and becomes the Lord of Darkness himself). And the timeline difference plays no factor in this. Judgment took care of that. Shanoa can get trounced by a Belmont, despite her amazing skills and abilities. All the Belmonts had in the game was the Vampire Killer and their training with it - which goes on my point made before. Soma is the 'reincarnation' and needs more TRAINING to be properly effective, whereas Shanoa already has this training. And the Link versus Mario was merely to illustrate different combat styles, which Shanoa and Soma also have (granted that there are many similarities). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larxene Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Shanoa doesn't gain any added power from the Dominus glyphs without taking from her own life. On the other hand, Soma can freely use Dracula's powers. Really, the only way Shanoa could kill Soma is by using Dominus, which would kill her as well. If Soma was put in a near death situation, he would most likely succumb to Dracula's powers and destroy Shanoa. Either Soma wins, or they both lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn of Elemia Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Shanoa doesn't gain any added power from the Dominus glyphs without taking from her own life. On the other hand' date=' Soma can freely use Dracula's powers. Really, the only way Shanoa could kill Soma is by using Dominus, which would kill her as well. If Soma was put in a near death situation, he would most likely succumb to Dracula's powers and destroy Shanoa. Either Soma wins, or they both lose.[/quote'] Soma COULD, but he never did. If he did, then what would be the point of the game? He could just annihilate everybody who pissed him off without even trying. You may not like it, but it once again goes back to formal training; if he had it, then he'd prove more of a challenge. If Soma were in Judgment, we'd both be singing a different tune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larxene Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 They can't have him turn completely into the Lord of Darkness in the game, because that would ruin the game. In reality (Yeah, cause Castlevania makes sense) if he had come close to death (Such as getting a Game Over) he would turn into the Dark Lord. There's no way Shanoa would win without using Dominus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn of Elemia Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 They can't have him turn completely into the Lord of Darkness in the game' date=' because that would ruin the game. In reality (Yeah, cause Castlevania makes sense) if he had come close to death (Such as getting a Game Over) he would turn into the Dark Lord. There's no way Shanoa would win without using Dominus.[/quote'] And yet Carrie Fernandaz managed to beat Dracula without the Vampire Killer (only using the powers of the Belnades clan's magic) and Alucard managed to do it since he's the son of Dracula. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larxene Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Carrie had help from Reinhardt, who DID have the whip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn of Elemia Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Carrie had help from Reinhardt' date=' who DID have the whip.[/quote'] If you remember correctly, their paths never crossed in the game whatsoever. She was on her own against Dracula. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larxene Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 I see why you like ragnarok. If you want to think like that, then technically she never defeated Dracula since Reinhardt's story is the more accepted story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn of Elemia Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 I see why you like ragnarok. If you want to think like that' date=' then technically she never defeated Dracula since Reinhardt's story is the more accepted story.[/quote'] Aww, resorting to a personal attack just because you were proven wrong? LOL The Castlevania games are considered the Black Sheep games of the series anyway. It doesn't matter which storyline for the game you want to accept anyway. In that regard, consider this: Reinhardt Schneider was NOT a Belmont, yet wielded the Vampire Killer whip - Not at its full potential. Jonathan Morris also wielded the Vampire Killer whip in Portrait of Ruin. HOWEVER, he got his powered up to its actualy potential, did he not? And yet Reinhardt STILL beat Dracula with a non-powered up whip? Explain to me how that makes Carrie any less plausable for a plausable storyline? Carrie is the descendant of Sypha, who married Trevor - who was a Belmont. Ever consider that some of the Belmont blood could've carried over? We don't even know the real background of Reinhardt... And Cornell defeated Dracula as well, if you remember. Not a Belmont of anything. Granted he lost his wolf abilities, but still defeated him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakura Vessal Posted January 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Personally I would have to go with Soma, cause he has Giant Axe Armour, and in Aria, it's bad ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larxene Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Reinhardt is a Belmont, just with a different last name. You'd realize that if you actually payed attention to what happened. So he did have the fully powered whip. Carrie DOES have Belmont blood, which is the only reason she stood a chance against Dracula. If you consider Castlevania 64 to be canon, then either Reinhardt defeated Dracula, or they both did. Not Carrie alone. Playing through her storyline means nothing unless Reinhardt was there too. Jonathan had help from Charlotte either way, who is a descendant of Sypha. Cornell technically didn't defeat Dracula. First of all, he wasn't even at his full power. Second, he let himself be destroyed in order to absorb the Man-Wolf power.Not like this argument is ever going to go anywhere since I'm talking to a wall.And as for Alucard, it's the same case as Shanoa except he doesn't have to kill himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn of Elemia Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Reinhardt is a Belmont' date=' just with a different last name. You'd realize that if you actually payed attention to what happened. So he did have the fully powered whip. [b']Show me where it says SPECIFICALLY that he is a Belmont with a different last name and I MIGHT believe you[/b] Carrie DOES have Belmont blood, which is the only reason she stood a chance against Dracula. If you consider Castlevania 64 to be canon, then either Reinhardt defeated Dracula, or they both did. Not Carrie alone. Playing through her storyline means nothing unless Reinhardt was there too. How so? Their paths NEVER crossed whatsoever, so that doesn't prove anything Jonathan had help from Charlotte either way, who is a descendant of Sypha. Yeah, but she's not the one using the whip Cornell technically didn't defeat Dracula. First of all, he wasn't even at his full power. Second, he let himself be destroyed in order to absorb the Man-Wolf power.Not like this argument is ever going to go anywhere since I'm talking to a wall. Resorting to personal attacks again? Sad. And as for Alucard, it's the same case as Shanoa except he doesn't have to kill himself. No comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakura Vessal Posted January 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Um, we can all come to the conclusion, that they all, can kill........ A lone zombie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larxene Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 It doesn't "specifically" say that. It says that he is descended from the Belmont clan and inherited the whip. If the whip wasn't at its full power, it would be worthless and he wouldn't be able to defeat Dracula at all. And there's no way the both Carrie and Reinhardt could defeat Dracula unless they worked together, and since Reinhardt is the main character of the game, it's more likely that he defeated Dracula ALONE. *sigh* I don't have the patience to continue this argument, since as I've already said, it won't go anywhere. I'm gonna go...do something else...other than come on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn of Elemia Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 It doesn't "specifically" say that. It says that he is descended from the Belmont clan and inherited the whip. If the whip wasn't at its full power' date=' it would be worthless and he wouldn't be able to defeat Dracula at all. [b']Again, going back to how Cornell did it without the whip. Whatever...[/b] And there's no way the both Carrie and Reinhardt could defeat Dracula unless they worked together, and since Reinhardt is the main character of the game, it's more likely that he defeated Dracula ALONE. Then why even give the option to play as Carrie if he's the main character? THey could've easily gone with what Portrait of Ruin did. *sigh* I don't have the patience to continue this argument, since as I've already said, it won't go anywhere. I'm gonna go...do something else...other than come on here. Have fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larxene Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Cornell technically didn't defeat Dracula. First of all' date=' he wasn't even at his full power. Second, he let himself be destroyed in order to absorb the Man-Wolf power.[/quote'] You didn't even read this. It doesn't "specifically" say that. It says that he is descended from the Belmont clan and inherited the whip. If the whip wasn't at its full power' date=' it would be worthless and he wouldn't be able to defeat Dracula at all. [b']Again, going back to how Cornell did it without the whip. Whatever...[/b] And there's no way the both Carrie and Reinhardt could defeat Dracula unless they worked together, and since Reinhardt is the main character of the game, it's more likely that he defeated Dracula ALONE. Then why even give the option to play as Carrie if he's the main character? THey could've easily gone with what Portrait of Ruin did. *sigh* I don't have the patience to continue this argument, since as I've already said, it won't go anywhere. I'm gonna go...do something else...other than come on here. Have fun They didn't think of the partner thing yet, and they thought it would be easier to have 2 characters, and at the time they didn't even have a real storyline. So technically, any games before Rondo of Blood mean nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn of Elemia Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Cornell technically didn't defeat Dracula. First of all' date=' he wasn't even at his full power. Second, he let himself be destroyed in order to absorb the Man-Wolf power.[/quote'] You didn't even read this. Oh, I did. But if he didn't have the whip, then how could he even hurt him unless he killed himself? It doesn't "specifically" say that. It says that he is descended from the Belmont clan and inherited the whip. If the whip wasn't at its full power' date=' it would be worthless and he wouldn't be able to defeat Dracula at all. [b']Again, going back to how Cornell did it without the whip. Whatever... And there's no way the both Carrie and Reinhardt could defeat Dracula unless they worked together, and since Reinhardt is the main character of the game, it's more likely that he defeated Dracula ALONE. Then why even give the option to play as Carrie if he's the main character? THey could've easily gone with what Portrait of Ruin did. *sigh* I don't have the patience to continue this argument, since as I've already said, it won't go anywhere. I'm gonna go...do something else...other than come on here. Have fun They didn't think of the partner thing yet, and they thought it would be easier to have 2 characters, and at the time they didn't even have a real storyline. So technically, any games before Rondo of Blood mean nothing. LOL! I laugh at that. You basically just disregarded Simon, Trevor, and Sypha with that statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigma Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Hmm, they should make a Castlevania 4 player game. Another Castlevania Judgement? 0.o Except you can do tag team? 0.o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larxene Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Like Brawl but with Castlevania? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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