J.P Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 ......they didn't cheat, those were original effects. Stop getting pissy at Kazuki Takahashi, he made those cards without intending for them to appear in a real-life card game, and start being pissy at UDE for watering down alll those super-powered cards... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 be that as it may, it would be considered cheating if we were to put the real cards into play during the DK times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.P Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 No it wouldn't. If you put the real-world cards into the anime, then the effects wouldn't be the same as they used to be, Crush Card Virus would last for only 3 turns and affect only the field and hand, Final Attack Orders would just switch all monsters into attack position. I think the fact that Crush Card Virus had it's TCG effect during the Sho vs. Inotsume duel in GX is proof enough of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 1) Made up? Remember Manga had the cards first before the OCG/TCG so therefore they're not made up.2) With the new promo Obelisk the Gods may it on to the playable scene. 3) Known fact anime does not follow OCG/TCG rules. It has its own set it may share little snippets of the real version. 4) See answer above. With them not following the 'rules' they have no banned or limited cards, plus the rules change so often they wouldn't be able to keep up, or they'd be forever changing the duels. All played cards are official if played in the anime, so you cannot discredit them just because they haven't made it to the real game, some cards have made it to the video games (for example the Clear Beasts and Darkness' cards in Tag Force 3) but not the OCG (Darkness Destroyer is an exception to Darkness' deck which is a Tag Force 3 promo). Your reasoning is illogicial. Anime/Manga cards aren't made for the OCG/TCG so yea lot of the time they're 'broken', and if they do may it outside the anime they're watered down and the anime sometimes is forced to change for them. Like CCV and I think even CyDar was changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 No it wouldn't. If you put the real-world cards into the anime' date=' then the effects wouldn't be the same as they used to be, Crush Card Virus would last for only 3 turns and affect only the field and hand, Final Attack Orders would just switch all monsters into attack position. I think the fact that Crush Card Virus had it's TCG effect during the Sho vs. Inotsume duel in GX is proof enough of that.[/quote'] The anime cards were never really meant for TCG, that's why they have to be watered down as you said. Once the real life version is invented it is why people accuse the anime characters of cheating so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 I think even CyDar was changed. Cyber Dragon was changed, but the OCG/TCG effect is more dominant than its anime counterpart. Its Anime version summon without Tribute was treated as a Normal Summon, not a Special Summon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 yeah well the anime still has those troubles telling special from normal summons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.P Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Not really... only GX got it's special summons and normal summons entangled and really the only case of that there was the fact they kept changing E-Hero Necrodark Man's effect to whatever suited them at the time, now THAT could be counted as cheating, unless Necrodark Man's anime version happens to specify you can count it as a normal summon or special summon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 actually during the time of DK in DM the normal and special summons were also entangled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.P Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 That was just part of the first rule set. You got a free summon if you lost a monster during your own turn. The concept of normal summon and special summon didn't exist in the pre-BC game, they were both the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 neither did the tribute requirement along with the field bonus problems. Personally the latter made things almost TOO confusing to the point of cheating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Aaron CyDra is Cyber Dragon. CyDar is Cyber Dark Dragon....original it was all cards, then changed to all dragons by 95 (when Ryo changed his whole graveyard to Dragon types) Good point JP, something I would have never of noticed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.P Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Well, keeping in mind that DK was a RPG-game, it wouldn't make sense (and aesthetically, it really doesn't) that you'd have to tribute any number of monsters to summon whichever, unless it happened to be linked, in fact in the early days, the level stars seemed to be more an indication of rarity than anything else. As for the field power bonus, I think it was something like, dominated field gets +30% and a less-dominant field gets a smaller percentage. Once again, it was an RPG thing, so the fact that the Harpy Lady could fly to avoid Tiger Axe's attack makes sense, in a card game, yeah ridiculous, but of course, this was a guy being played WITH a card game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 actually I think by the time of the DK finals the level stars were not relevant. The field bonuses vary between 10% to 30%, and it did make it RPG, but that was never the purpose of duels. If you recalled Mako's duel with Atem that was an example, for washing most of the land away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgonzales22 Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 Also don't forget about Soul Exchange, in real life you can use it to tribute only one of your Opponent's monster and had to skip your Battle Phase. In BC Kabia used it to sacrifice more of his opponent's monsters and still attacked in the same turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 not to mention during his duel with Ishizu he used it on Ishizu's turn. The real Soul Exchange magic card isn't quickplay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 But Rag real effects don't always apply to the anime. Soul Exchange (Anime) probably came ages before Soul Exchange (OCG) its the same with a lot of cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 probably the same with Monster Reborn too, as in the anime you can play it as a quickplay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megaworm Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 you can play everything as a quickplay in the anime. the duel that bugged me the most was the double duel with those two labyrinth dudes that had labyrinth wall as a field card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 yeah that was still DK, and you're right. That was among the weirdest duels in the anime. But then, they didn't have a clue how TCG worked back then anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Rag Anime came before OCG. It is impossible for the anime to follow the OCG, they would be forever changing what cards can be played, what can't be played. Most of the duels were probably written ages before the OCG came out in the form it is today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 I thought that only applied to DK, not from BC and afterwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 1999 first OCG cards in there more recent form (YGO Volume 1) 1997 Manga Volume. 1998 was when DM first came to the Manga as a full time feature. By the time the OCG made it on the scene the manga was on volume 11 featuring Para and Dox. (Source Janime and Wiki) And the first few packs of cards of the recent form (Not Bandai version) only contained a few cards, until March 1999 (Booster 1) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 So basically it wasn't until season 3 before there was a need to follow the rules? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 It could just make its own rules up, its just too complex for a program to follow the rules of competitive play (traditional or advanced), its easier just to dip into rules they like when they need to and when they don't ignore it. GX and 5Ds have the advantage of being the first to get all the new cards without any restricting rules, they want to make it fun so its best to avoid the rules and alot of the big cards like DAD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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