The Dark One Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 Disc and Treeborn. Certainly. Who says that they, or at least Disc, couldn't have been incorporated into such a deck? Also, if we were to construct the perfect banlist with the exception (in your opinions) of leaving this card untouched. Do you now really think that Norleras decks will dominate? Fat chance, I say. Beatdown wins out against him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 A card bearing an effect that resets both players' hands and fields is only acceptable if that card would be acceptable if its effect were "You win the duel" instead. Why? Reset button effects turn the game into a topdeck contest. That's why. Disc and Treeborn. Certainly. Who says that they' date=' or at least Disc, couldn't have been incorporated into such a deck?[/quote'] Disk isn't a DARK Fiend or a LIGHT Fairy, and the deck has no need for Tribute Summons. His usefulness is significantly diminished. Also' date=' if we were to construct the perfect banlist with the exception (in your opinions) of leaving this card untouched. Do you now really think that Norleras decks will dominate? Fat chance, I say. Beatdown wins out against him.[/quote'] Irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 A card bearing an effect that resets both players' hands and fields is only acceptable if that card would be acceptable if its effect were "You win the duel" instead. Why? Reset button effects turn the game into a topdeck contest. That's why. A topdeck conteset which the Norleras player is destined to lose. Disc and Treeborn. Certainly. Who says that they' date=' or at least Disc, couldn't have been incorporated into such a deck?[/quote'] Disk isn't a DARK Fiend or a LIGHT Fairy, and the deck has no need for Tribute Summons. His usefulness is significantly diminished. Draw power. Also' date=' if we were to construct the perfect banlist with the exception (in your opinions) of leaving this card untouched. Do you now really think that Norleras decks will dominate? Fat chance, I say. Beatdown wins out against him.[/quote'] Irrelevant. You yourself are the one who constantly states "You can't judge a card by the present meta." By saying that this card deserves the attention of the ban list, you are saying that in the perfect meta, this card would be played, and because of its nature, should not be allowed to be played. I say it wouldn't be played to begin with, and therefore shouldn't matter. Let the noobs do what they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 A card bearing an effect that resets both players' hands and fields is only acceptable if that card would be acceptable if its effect were "You win the duel" instead. Why? Reset button effects turn the game into a topdeck contest. That's why. A topdeck conteset which the Norleras player is destined to lose. Not necessarily' date=' depending on the other attributes of the deck. It is allowed to have usable monsters, you know; in fact, one of the more successful variants uses Mezuki. Disc and Treeborn. Certainly. Who says that they' date=' or at least Disc, couldn't have been incorporated into such a deck?[/quote'] Disk isn't a DARK Fiend or a LIGHT Fairy, and the deck has no need for Tribute Summons. His usefulness is significantly diminished. Draw power. I said "diminished". Also' date=' if we were to construct the perfect banlist with the exception (in your opinions) of leaving this card untouched. Do you now really think that Norleras decks will dominate? Fat chance, I say. Beatdown wins out against him.[/quote'] Irrelevant. You yourself are the one who constantly states "You can't judge a card by the present meta." By saying that this card deserves the attention of the ban list, you are saying that in the perfect meta, this card would be played, and because of its nature, should not be allowed to be played. I say it wouldn't be played to begin with, and therefore shouldn't matter. Let the noobs do what they want. You are failing to take future card design into account. Note also that you are saying that Norleras can remain legal as long as nobody uses it (and no longer). Think about that for a moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 A card bearing an effect that resets both players' hands and fields is only acceptable if that card would be acceptable if its effect were "You win the duel" instead. Why? Reset button effects turn the game into a topdeck contest. That's why. A topdeck conteset which the Norleras player is destined to lose. Not necessarily' date=' depending on the other attributes of the deck. It is allowed to have usable monsters, you know; in fact, one of the more successful variants uses Mezuki. [i']Mezuki? Please elaborate.[/i] Disc and Treeborn. Certainly. Who says that they' date=' or at least Disc, couldn't have been incorporated into such a deck?[/quote'] Disk isn't a DARK Fiend or a LIGHT Fairy, and the deck has no need for Tribute Summons. His usefulness is significantly diminished. Draw power. I said "diminished". Of course. Also' date=' if we were to construct the perfect banlist with the exception (in your opinions) of leaving this card untouched. Do you now really think that Norleras decks will dominate? Fat chance, I say. Beatdown wins out against him.[/quote'] Irrelevant. You yourself are the one who constantly states "You can't judge a card by the present meta." By saying that this card deserves the attention of the ban list, you are saying that in the perfect meta, this card would be played, and because of its nature, should not be allowed to be played. I say it wouldn't be played to begin with, and therefore shouldn't matter. Let the noobs do what they want. You are failing to take future card design into account. I fail to see a hypothetical card which makes Norleras unfair, but is not unfair in and of its own right. Also, if a future card is released that causes such a problem, ban Norleras then. There is no need, at this point. (Obviously, we're talking about an ideal meta, not the current terrible one, in which cards like Phantom of Chaos exist. Note also that you are saying that Norleras can remain legal as long as nobody uses it (and no longer). Think about that for a moment. I am saying that it can remain legal as long as it remains bad. Should Huge Revolution be banned? It is an entirely relevant example, for like Norleras, it has an effect which under normal circumstances would be unacceptable, but has a large enough cost attached to be satisfactory. If there was a card released that read "Special Summon 1 Oppressed Peoples, 1 People Running About, and 1 United Resistance from your deck t your side of the field" I think there would be problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonisanoob Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 i agree with the dark one funnily enough norleras isnt the problem its poc crab wants a more skill based meta, well im pretty certain it would take a shitload of skill to use a norleras deck in a perfect meta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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