Guest Star Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Oh right' date=' damn. Arcanite and Tempest completely slipped my mind. Yeah, NVM. Bannable card is bannable. <_< I still think Lonefire is broken however.[/quote'] Lonefire isn't really broken. I didn't even post those images to convince you that Toon Table of Contents is banned. I'd have to read the whole arguement to figure that out. I posted them to show you that Spellcaster-Type monsters do have boss monsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 What's not broken about a monster that can easily search out any other plant monster in your deck? I mean, even in the simplest possible way of identifying, you gotta admit that a card that can instantly bring out a 2800 behemoth (Tytannial, Princess of Camellias) with nothing is insanely overpowered, and pretty much banworthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Star Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 What's not broken about a monster that can easily search out any other plant monster in your deck? I mean' date=' even in the simplest possible way of identifying, you gotta admit that a card that can instantly bring out a 2800 behemoth (Tytannial, Princess of Camellias) with nothing is insanely overpowered, and pretty much banworthy.[/quote'] You're right. Let's ban Kaibaman too. I mean, he can instantly bring out a monster with 3000 ATK. Lonefire Blossom is only good in Plants. It's good support for Plants, but it's definitely not broken. I think I read somewhere on YCM or maybe another forum that Lonefire Blossom provides decent support for its Type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 What's not broken about a monster that can easily search out any other plant monster in your deck? I mean' date=' even in the simplest possible way of identifying, you gotta admit that a card that can instantly bring out a 2800 behemoth (Tytannial, Princess of Camellias) with nothing is insanely overpowered, and pretty much banworthy.[/quote'] You're right. Let's ban Kaibaman too. I mean, he can instantly bring out a monster with 3000 ATK. iHeard Kaibaman Special Summons from the hand, not the deck.iHeard BEWD doesn't have an effect.iHeard Kaibaman isn't a toolbox.iHeard Kaibaman doesn't restrict card design. Lonefire Blossom is only good in Plants. It's good support for Plants' date=' but it's definitely not broken. I think I read somewhere on YCM or maybe another forum that Lonefire Blossom provides decent support for its Type.[/quote'] Judgment Dragoon is only good in Lightlords. It's good support for Lightlords, but it's definitely not broken. I think I read somewhere on YCM or maybe another forum that Judgment Dragoon provides decent support for its Archetype. Oh, and note that Lonefire Blossom hinders card design for its archetype by restricting the variety of cards that can be created for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 To Topic Creator, Why the hell is Gyzarus still at 3? Explain to me why you dont think it is bad for the game? ~JD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Star Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 To Topic Creator' date=' Why the hell is Gyzarus still at 3? Explain to me why you dont think it is bad for the game? ~JD[/quote'] What's even worse is that Phantom of Darkness/Dark Illusion is limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 To Topic Creator' date=' Why the hell is Gyzarus still at 3? Explain to me why you dont think it is bad for the game? ~JD[/quote'] What's even worse is that Phantom of Darkness/Dark Illusion is limited. I can see why. We still have a Chaos Emperor Dragon in the form of a 2400 ATK Nomi called Sky Scourge Norleras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 I should have bought this up sooner. If you fear Syncho monster why are: Brain Control, Rescue Cat, and Monster Reborn still at anything other then 0. Hell you don't need to even think about Syncho when putting Monster Reborn at 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Star Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 To Topic Creator' date=' Why the hell is Gyzarus still at 3? Explain to me why you dont think it is bad for the game? ~JD[/quote'] What's even worse is that Phantom of Darkness/Dark Illusion is limited. I can see why. We still have a Chaos Emperor Dragon in the form of a 2400 ATK Nomi called Sky Scourge Norleras. Do you even know what Phantom of Darkness/Dark Illusion does? It's like a weaker Divine Wrath. It shouldn't be on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 I thought you were talking about Phantom of Chaos. Regardless, Norleras should still be banned, shouldnt it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Star Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 I thought you were talking about Phantom of Chaos. Regardless' date=' Norleras should still be banned, shouldnt it?[/quote'] Norleras and Phantom of Chaos should be banned. The biggest problem with this list is that Phantom of Darkness/Dark Illusion is limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 ... Wait, Dark Illusion is that counter trap that blocks cards that target dark monsters, right? What's wrong with Dark Illusion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Star Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 ... Wait' date=' Dark Illusion is that counter trap that blocks cards that target dark monsters, right? What's wrong with Dark Illusion?[/quote'] Nothing. That's why it shouldn't be banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 We also still have a Raigeki with legs running around at 3 in the form of Darklord Zerato. Basically, ban Darklord Zerato. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 Stop with the incessant ban Norleras chatter. The only broken card there is Phantom of Chaos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Star Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 Stop with the incessant ban Norleras chatter. The only broken card there is Phantom of Chaos. Norleras is still broken. Crab Helmet explained it quite well when he said something like "it's a reset button". Norleras, with or without Phantom of Chaos, is bad for the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 It's not that hard to get 3 Dark Fiends and 1 Light Fairy in the graveyard, especially if you dedicate a deck to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Star Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 It's not that hard to get 3 Dark Fiends and 1 Light Fairy in the graveyard' date=' especially if you dedicate a deck to it.[/quote'] You're probably going to say that I fail or something, but I wonder how a Deck with Heralds of Light and Kuriboh would work. There's no question about Norleras' place on the list. It should be 0 or 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 Then explain to me this. Why has a viable Scky Scourge deck never been created? It is indeed very possible to fulfill the summoning conditions. It just makes for a terrible deck, due to inconsistency, etc... Phantom of Chaos obviously needs to go, Norleras, not so much. I'll remind you, there is a difference between Huge Revolution and Raigeki. While Huge Revolution's actual effect is far better, it comes at the cost of having certain monster required to be onfield for it to activate. It is feasible to be able to activate Huge Revolution, it just won't happen nearly as often as you would like. In other words, a deck running Huge Revolution is a bad deck. (Obviously having certain monsters in your graveyard is a smaller cost than having the required monsters for Huge Revolution onfield. I will also remind that while Reset Buttons are terrible for the game, they do not necessarily mean they the user will win the game, it just gets rid of all advantages in game position that their opponent will have gained. Basically, Reset Buttons, assuming all is equal, are less-bad for the game than field nukes. (DAD compared to CED doesn't apply here. If DAD's cost was what CED's was, it would be even more broken than CED itself.) I say let the noobs have fun with their bad decks, it doesn't hurt us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 Then explain to me this. Why has a viable Scky Scourge deck never been created? Because more broken cards exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Star Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 Then explain to me this. Why has a viable Scky Scourge deck never been created? Explain to me this. Ocean Dragon Lord - Neo Daedalus should be banned. Why has a viable Ocean Dragon Lord - Neo Daedalus never been created? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 @ Star: That's circular logic. It's like saying "the bible is true because it is God's book. We know God exists because of the Bible." Neo-Daedalus is even less banworthy than is Norleras. @Pika: I didn't see it played when it first came out. If I remember correctly Monarchs were pretty damn big during that era. The Monarch deck won out, and Monarchs certainly don't have a more powerful effect than this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 A card bearing an effect that resets both players' hands and fields is only acceptable if that card would be acceptable if its effect were "You win the duel" instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 A card bearing an effect that resets both players' hands and fields is only acceptable if that card would be acceptable if its effect were "You win the duel" instead. Why? You could easily create a deck based around quickly milling the necessary requirements to the Graveyard and then winning, with the effect you listed. However, That gets you nowhere if all you get is a field nuke. Yay! We're even again, now I'm going to topdeck sheet because there's nothing in my deck that will actually win me the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 @Pika: I didn't see it played when it first came out. If I remember correctly Monarchs were pretty damn big during that era. The Monarch deck won out' date=' and Monarchs certainly don't have a more powerful effect than this.[/quote'] More broken card existed back then, Disk and Treeborn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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