Fh-Fh Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 No pic. Too well known. Discuss place on banlist. This is a trap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie Lupia Blitzer Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Blizzd, Guard of the Ice Boundary + Lightswornage + Beatstickage = Meh. Not that good, I find. But why exactly is this and Lightsworns good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 We can either have 1 Trooper + 3 Dupe or 3 Trooper + 0 Dupe. Take your pick. In the past, I've favoured the former option, but now I'm starting to lean more toward the latter. In any event, either case is acceptable; neither would be a glaring flaw in a banlist (although 3 Trooper + 3 Dupe, or anything involving 0 Trooper, would certainly be a mistake). Blizzd' date=' Guard of the Ice Boundary + Lightswornage + Beatstickage = Meh. Not that good, I find. But why exactly is this and Lightsworns good?[/quote'] Self-mill is good. It sets up the graveyard and increases the available options. Being a floater that can attack for 1900 is certainly not a bad thing either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Its fine at 1 Machine Dup + This card = 9 card mill/3 1900 ATK beatsticks Then you could draw 3 cards when they are all destroyed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fh-Fh Posted November 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 We can either have 1 Trooper + 3 Dupe or 3 Trooper + 0 Dupe. Take your pick. In the past' date=' I've favoured the former option, but now I'm starting to lean more toward the latter. In any event, either case is acceptable; neither would be a glaring flaw in a banlist (although 3 Trooper + 3 Dupe, or anything involving 0 Trooper, would certainly be a mistake).[/quote'] Shhhh! Not yet! They all know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie Lupia Blitzer Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Nevermind my previous post. Maybe semi-limit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 We can either have 1 Trooper + 3 Dupe or 3 Trooper + 0 Dupe. Take your pick. In the past' date=' I've favoured the former option, but now I'm starting to lean more toward the latter. In any event, either case is acceptable; neither would be a glaring flaw in a banlist (although 3 Trooper + 3 Dupe, or anything involving 0 Trooper, would certainly be a mistake).[/quote'] Shhhh! Not yet! They all know! The only people who could possibly be deluded into suggesting 3 Trooper + 3 Dupe are people who are too horribly bad at this game to be convinced of their wrong-ness simply by reading my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fh-Fh Posted November 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 We can either have 1 Trooper + 3 Dupe or 3 Trooper + 0 Dupe. Take your pick. In the past' date=' I've favoured the former option, but now I'm starting to lean more toward the latter. In any event, either case is acceptable; neither would be a glaring flaw in a banlist (although 3 Trooper + 3 Dupe, or anything involving 0 Trooper, would certainly be a mistake).[/quote'] Shhhh! Not yet! They all know! The only people who could possibly be deluded into suggesting 3 Trooper + 3 Dupe are people who are too horribly bad at this game to be convinced of their wrong-ness simply by reading my post. You forgot the slightly better (but still bad) 0 Troop people. Now my test is ruined! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 We can either have 1 Trooper + 3 Dupe or 3 Trooper + 0 Dupe. Take your pick. In the past' date=' I've favoured the former option, but now I'm starting to lean more toward the latter. In any event, either case is acceptable; neither would be a glaring flaw in a banlist (although 3 Trooper + 3 Dupe, or anything involving 0 Trooper, would certainly be a mistake).[/quote'] Shhhh! Not yet! They all know! The only people who could possibly be deluded into suggesting 3 Trooper + 3 Dupe are people who are too horribly bad at this game to be convinced of their wrong-ness simply by reading my post. You forgot the slightly better (but still bad) 0 Troop people. Now my test is ruined! 0 Troop people are in the same boat as 3 Troop + 3 Dupe people. They're not going to be swayed by my posts, especially when I'm simply posting my conclusions without the (obvious) reasoning that leads to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fh-Fh Posted November 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 We can either have 1 Trooper + 3 Dupe or 3 Trooper + 0 Dupe. Take your pick. In the past' date=' I've favoured the former option, but now I'm starting to lean more toward the latter. In any event, either case is acceptable; neither would be a glaring flaw in a banlist (although 3 Trooper + 3 Dupe, or anything involving 0 Trooper, would certainly be a mistake).[/quote'] Shhhh! Not yet! They all know! The only people who could possibly be deluded into suggesting 3 Trooper + 3 Dupe are people who are too horribly bad at this game to be convinced of their wrong-ness simply by reading my post. You forgot the slightly better (but still bad) 0 Troop people. Now my test is ruined! 0 Troop people are in the same boat as 3 Troop + 3 Dupe people. They're not going to be swayed by my posts, especially when I'm simply posting my conclusions without the (obvious) reasoning that leads to them. Though there are people on YCM like that, most people would go for the conformity of being a seemingly good player in your eyes, because they think you are the definition of a "good player". Also the bad players who have SOME sense might find the logic in your post and undoubtedly agree with you. Other people just won't argue knowing they would get owned in the end. So it is impossible to distinguish the players into they're specified catagories. My whole test was based on who would pick 0 Troop, and who would pick 3 (and the Noobs who would pick 2 which I am not adding because there are too damn many). Your test was the toxic poison that seeped into the roots of this thread (No offense). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
「tea.leaf」 Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 I think we should ban Dupe. Trooper would bring a lot of speed to some underpowered deck types. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fh-Fh Posted November 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 I think we should ban Dupe. Trooper would bring a lot of speed to some underpowered deck types. No. Dupe shoul be at 1 at least. And until Tuning Supporter comes out, Dupe stays at three. Even then it will still only be a thought, not a course of action that must be taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
「tea.leaf」 Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 I think we should ban Dupe. Trooper would bring a lot of speed to some underpowered deck types. No. Dupe shoul be at 1 at least. And until Tuning Supporter comes out' date=' Dupe stays at three. Even then it will still only be a thought, not a course of action that must be taken.[/quote'] Given the speed that it grants with Cyber Valley and Tuning Supporter, Dupe is incredibly broken. Not to mention the amount of advantage that it grants already as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 With Cyber Valley and Tuning Support just waiting for their time, the Dupe vs. Trooper argument has reached the point where it's very hard to keep justifying having Dupe at 3. Put Dupe at 0, and Trooper can be at 11 for all I care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fh-Fh Posted November 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 http://www.metagame.com/yugioh.aspx?tabid=33&ArticleId=10234 Find Cyber Valley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 With Cyber Valley and Tuning Support just waiting for their time' date=' the Dupe vs. Trooper argument has reached the point where it's very hard to keep justifying having Dupe at 3. Put Dupe at 0, and [b']Trooper can be at 11 for all I care[/b]. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
「tea.leaf」 Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 http://www.metagame.com/yugioh.aspx?tabid=33&ArticleId=10234 Find Cyber Valley. OH SHI- Of course, we're talking about the possibilities, not the application. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fh-Fh Posted November 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 http://www.metagame.com/yugioh.aspx?tabid=33&ArticleId=10234 Find Cyber Valley. OH SHI- Of course' date=' we're talking about the possibilities, not the application.[/quote'] Dupe should not be banned in this Meta. In this Meta. In this Meta. Sorry to repeat myself but it will help you to remember. The Fool has the possibilty of being a good card, I don't see him up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 http://www.metagame.com/yugioh.aspx?tabid=33&ArticleId=10234 Find Cyber Valley. OH SHI- Of course' date=' we're talking about the possibilities, not the application.[/quote'] Dupe should not be banned in this Meta. In this Meta. In this Meta. Sorry to repeat myself but it will help you to remember. The Fool has the possibilty of being a good card, I don't see him up there. Treeborn Frog should not be banned in this Meta. In this Meta. In this Meta. See how your logic fails? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 http://www.metagame.com/yugioh.aspx?tabid=33&ArticleId=10234 Find Cyber Valley. OH SHI- Of course' date=' we're talking about the possibilities, not the application.[/quote'] Dupe should not be banned in this Meta. In this Meta. In this Meta. Sorry to repeat myself but it will help you to remember. This is simply a tautology. The current meta is determined in part by the banlist - you can be sure that it would look different if Dark Armed Dragon were banned - so to say that Machine Duplication should not be banned in this meta is equivalent to saying that Machine Duplication is not currently banned, which can be seen by anyone literate enough to read the banlist. There are a wide variety of banworthy cards that aren't top-tier right now. Do you see Treeborn Frog up there? Is everybody running Self-Destruct Button and Reversal Quiz? Is Chimeratech Overdragon a staple? Does any of this have anything whatsoever to do with the banworthiness of these cards? Of course not. The banlist does not exist to play traffic cop with the meta. It's not there to run in every six months, throw a few bans and a bunch of limits around on whatever cards people have been using lately, bring a ridiculous card or two back from the banlist just for laughs, and then Semi-Limit a handful of cards that were popular seven months ago. Sadly, this appears to be Konami's policy, which is why so many horribly bad players seem to believe that the banlist exists to do precisely this. A card can be broken even if nobody is using it. A card can also be broken if absolutely everybody is using it. The metagame is not an accurate reflection of where cards ought to fall on the banlist, and implying that it is such is foolhardy. Oh, and if you're wondering why I haven't called you an idiot yet, it's because you're almost certainly just doing this to reconstruct your trap, and I'm just here to spoil everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fh-Fh Posted November 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 http://www.metagame.com/yugioh.aspx?tabid=33&ArticleId=10234 Find Cyber Valley. OH SHI- Of course' date=' we're talking about the possibilities, not the application.[/quote'] Dupe should not be banned in this Meta. In this Meta. In this Meta. Sorry to repeat myself but it will help you to remember. This is simply a tautology. The current meta is determined in part by the banlist - you can be sure that it would look different if Dark Armed Dragon were banned - so to say that Machine Duplication should not be banned in this meta is equivalent to saying that Machine Duplication is not currently banned, which can be seen by anyone literate enough to read the banlist. There are a wide variety of banworthy cards that aren't top-tier right now. Do you see Treeborn Frog up there? Is everybody running Self-Destruct Button and Reversal Quiz? Is Chimeratech Overdragon a staple? Does any of this have anything whatsoever to do with the banworthiness of these cards? Of course not. The banlist does not exist to play traffic cop with the meta. It's not there to run in every six months, throw a few bans and a bunch of limits around on whatever cards people have been using lately, bring a ridiculous card or two back from the banlist just for laughs, and then Semi-Limit a handful of cards that were popular seven months ago. Sadly, this appears to be Konami's policy, which is why so many horribly bad players seem to believe that the banlist exists to do precisely this. A card can be broken even if nobody is using it. A card can also be broken if absolutely everybody is using it. The metagame is not an accurate reflection of where cards ought to fall on the banlist, and implying that it is such is foolhardy. Oh, and if you're wondering why I haven't called you an idiot yet, it's because you're almost certainly just doing this to reconstruct your trap, and I'm just here to spoil everything. I'll just have to try better next time. Jerk. Please Lock *Sigh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Machine Duplication is the only thing stopping this from being at 3. It has 2 options. Either Card Trooper at 1 + Machine Duplication at 3OR Card Trooper at 3 + Machine Duplication at 0. Either is acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonisanoob Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 semi-limit both :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 I seem to remember i made a thread about this a few months ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Lightning Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Id like to have trooper at 3. If(when, IDK) tuning supporter comes out, I dont think that dupe should be legal. My opininon: Trooper 3, Dupe 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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