GORZ!?

[HORUS]

Don't double post.

 

My posts were almost 24 hours apart, idiot.

[「tea.leaf」]

Adding a bluffing facet to the game may not be a bad thing.

 

Time for psychological warfare and intimidation tactics!

[Guest Chaos Pudding]

Since I'm American, a vague threat won't stop me from going in, guns blazing. So I'll never be bluffed by Gorz, or, indeed, any other card.

[Phantom Roxas]

What exactly is it about Gorz that makes him so bad for the game or whatever he's renowned for?

[Umbra]

What exactly is it about Gorz that makes him so bad for the game or whatever he's renowned for?

 

His effect.

[tonisanoob]

Since I'm American' date=' a vague threat won't stop me from going in, guns blazing. So I'll never be bluffed by Gorz, or, indeed, any other card.

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I lol'd.

[Spiff!]

i no has Wal-Mart....i has ASDA though.it's part of Wal-Mart,right?

[werewolfjedi]

Gorz isn't bad (then again, nothing like that works on me much. then again, i use quick play monster destroy.)

the main thing is that YOU MUST HAVE AN EMPTY FIELD.

you do realize just how badly your funked when you have nothing right?

and they have to hit you with something to make it come out.

 

gorz has something around 2700 ATK right?

DaD is still bigger.

 

All gorz is, is a beatstick that you can summon to protect yourself.

 

the only time it is going to work every time is when you throw her in a burn deck.

[CrabHelmet]

Gorz isn't bad (then again' date=' nothing like that works on me much. then again, i use quick play monster destroy.)

the main thing is that YOU MUST HAVE AN EMPTY FIELD.

you do realize just how badly your f***ed when you have nothing right?

and they have to hit you with something to make it come out.

 

gorz has something around 2700 ATK right?

DaD is still bigger.

 

All gorz is, is a beatstick that you can summon to protect yourself.

 

the only time it is going to work every time is when you throw her in a burn deck.

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Someone has forgotten that field nukes come cheap.

[Father Wolf]

Since I'm American' date=' a vague threat won't stop me from going in, guns blazing. So I'll never be bluffed by Gorz, or, indeed, any other card.

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lmfao same.

so u have 4 face downs and 2 cards in hand... ill still attack u.

 

Gorz isn't bad (then again' date=' nothing like that works on me much. then again, i use quick play monster destroy.)

the main thing is that YOU MUST HAVE AN EMPTY FIELD.

you do realize just how badly your f***ed when you have nothing right?

and they have to hit you with something to make it come out.

 

gorz has something around 2700 ATK right?

DaD is still bigger.

 

All gorz is, is a beatstick that you can summon to protect yourself.

 

the only time it is going to work every time is when you throw her in a burn deck.

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oh no i u blew up my 3 face downs and attack directly with DaD, well i summon gorz (2700 atk) with a (2800 atk) token then on top of that ill throw honest on my token and kill ur dad and give u 2800. =D

[Phantom Roxas]

' pid='1295754' dateline='1225379170']

What exactly is it about Gorz that makes him so bad for the game or whatever he's renowned for?

 

His effect.

 

I know, but it doesn't seem to game-breaking. It's good, but I don't quite see how broken it is.

[werewolfjedi]

' pid='1295754' dateline='1225379170']

What exactly is it about Gorz that makes him so bad for the game or whatever he's renowned for?

 

His effect.

 

I know' date=' but it doesn't seem to game-breaking. It's good, but I don't quite see how broken it is.

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maybe I can explain.

 

simply put, people don't like it when their field clearing attack for the win is foiled by a single card in a person's hand. she is more or less, an anti meta card that foils many ways of winning. it stops DaD wins often, it stops monarch spaming, it stops basicly any deck that relies on destroying the enitre field to ensure an open to attack position.

 

it isn't game breaking, it is game slowing. It makes it a bad idea to go all out to field clear. it could be said it makes traps a little bit more viable, but I doubt it.

[Jesus]

*Starts to Cry*.

[CrabHelmet]

' pid='1295754' dateline='1225379170']

What exactly is it about Gorz that makes him so bad for the game or whatever he's renowned for?

 

His effect.

 

I know' date=' but it doesn't seem to game-breaking. It's good, but I don't quite see how broken it is.

[/quote']

 

You instantly receive two giant beatsticks whose combined ATK almost certainly exceeds 5000.

 

Never underestimate the power of instantly getting 5000 ATK worth of monsters onto the field at the cost of one measly card in your hand. Games are won by such maneuvers.

[Phantom Roxas]

' pid='1295754' dateline='1225379170']

What exactly is it about Gorz that makes him so bad for the game or whatever he's renowned for?

 

His effect.

 

I know' date=' but it doesn't seem to game-breaking. It's good, but I don't quite see how broken it is.

[/quote']

 

You instantly receive two giant beatsticks whose combined ATK almost certainly exceeds 5000.

 

Never underestimate the power of instantly getting 5000 ATK worth of monsters onto the field at the cost of one measly card in your hand. Games are won by such maneuvers.

 

But then couldn't you just use a card to blow them up like Vortex or DAD?

[CrabHelmet]

' pid='1295754' dateline='1225379170']

What exactly is it about Gorz that makes him so bad for the game or whatever he's renowned for?

 

His effect.

 

I know' date=' but it doesn't seem to game-breaking. It's good, but I don't quite see how broken it is.

[/quote']

 

You instantly receive two giant beatsticks whose combined ATK almost certainly exceeds 5000.

 

Never underestimate the power of instantly getting 5000 ATK worth of monsters onto the field at the cost of one measly card in your hand. Games are won by such maneuvers.

 

But then couldn't you just use a card to blow them up like Vortex or DAD?

 

Main Phase 2 is not an optimal time to use Lightning Vortex. You want to use it during the first Main Phase so that you can inflict massive damage with direct attacks. And let's not forget that this forces the opponent to -1 themsevles even if we assume that they have the right card available.

 

As for DAD...it's DAD. When two broken cards collide, one will prevail.

[Phantom Roxas]

' pid='1295754' dateline='1225379170']

What exactly is it about Gorz that makes him so bad for the game or whatever he's renowned for?

 

His effect.

 

I know' date=' but it doesn't seem to game-breaking. It's good, but I don't quite see how broken it is.

[/quote']

 

You instantly receive two giant beatsticks whose combined ATK almost certainly exceeds 5000.

 

Never underestimate the power of instantly getting 5000 ATK worth of monsters onto the field at the cost of one measly card in your hand. Games are won by such maneuvers.

 

But then couldn't you just use a card to blow them up like Vortex or DAD?

 

Main Phase 2 is not an optimal time to use Lightning Vortex. You want to use it during the first Main Phase so that you can inflict massive damage with direct attacks. And let's not forget that this forces the opponent to -1 themsevles even if we assume that they have the right card available.

 

As for DAD...it's DAD. When two broken cards collide, one will prevail.

 

Your up against Gorz, so if you still have Lightning Vortex, it would be wise to use it just to get rid of such a threat.

 

As for DAD, exactly which one would prevail?

[CrabHelmet]

' pid='1295754' dateline='1225379170']

What exactly is it about Gorz that makes him so bad for the game or whatever he's renowned for?

 

His effect.

 

I know' date=' but it doesn't seem to game-breaking. It's good, but I don't quite see how broken it is.

[/quote']

 

You instantly receive two giant beatsticks whose combined ATK almost certainly exceeds 5000.

 

Never underestimate the power of instantly getting 5000 ATK worth of monsters onto the field at the cost of one measly card in your hand. Games are won by such maneuvers.

 

But then couldn't you just use a card to blow them up like Vortex or DAD?

 

Main Phase 2 is not an optimal time to use Lightning Vortex. You want to use it during the first Main Phase so that you can inflict massive damage with direct attacks. And let's not forget that this forces the opponent to -1 themsevles even if we assume that they have the right card available.

 

As for DAD...it's DAD. When two broken cards collide, one will prevail.

 

Your up against Gorz, so if you still have Lightning Vortex, it would be wise to use it just to get rid of such a threat.

 

Which means that Gorz is an instant +1 for you and forces the opponent to spend their removal at a time in which they are unable to take full advantage of its effects.

 

As for DAD' date=' exactly which one would prevail?

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That depends on what other monsters the DAD player controls and how much ammo is in the graveyard.

 

Oh, and by the way, you can Dark Bribe a Pot of Greed.

[Phantom Roxas]

You're up against Gorz' date=' so if you still have Lightning Vortex, it would be wise to use it just to get rid of such a threat.

[/quote']

 

Which means that Gorz is an instant +1 for you and forces the opponent to spend their removal at a time in which they are unable to take full advantage of its effects.

 

This post confuses me, but I somewhat understand you.

 

As for DAD' date=' exactly which one would prevail?

[/quote']

 

That depends on what other monsters the DAD player controls and how much ammo is in the graveyard.

 

Simple, just blow up the Kaien token if you have 1 DARK monster in your graveyard. Of course, that could give your opponent time to make a counterattack. Not too sure about what would happen if you don't have any more ammo.

 

Oh' date=' and by the way, you can Dark Bribe a Pot of Greed.

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Aside from my apparently n00bish question, what does that have to do with this?

[CrabHelmet]

You're up against Gorz' date=' so if you still have Lightning Vortex, it would be wise to use it just to get rid of such a threat.

[/quote']

 

Which means that Gorz is an instant +1 for you and forces the opponent to spend their removal at a time in which they are unable to take full advantage of its effects.

 

This post confuses me, but I somewhat understand you.

 

It's like this: Even in a worst-case scenario for the player using Gorz, the mere use of Gorz is still highly damaging to the opponent, who is forced to -1 themselves and use their removal when they don't want to use it in order to avoid losing.

 

That's the worst-case scenario, mind you.

 

Oh' date=' and by the way, you can Dark Bribe a Pot of Greed.

[/quote']

 

Aside from my apparently n00bish question, what does that have to do with this?

 

You can Lightning Vortex a Gorz, and you can Dark Bribe a Pot of Greed. But in each case, you're still -1'ing yourself in your best case scenario.

[werewolfjedi]

You're up against Gorz' date=' so if you still have Lightning Vortex, it would be wise to use it just to get rid of such a threat.

[/quote']

 

Which means that Gorz is an instant +1 for you and forces the opponent to spend their removal at a time in which they are unable to take full advantage of its effects.

 

This post confuses me, but I somewhat understand you.

 

It's like this: Even in a worst-case scenario for the player using Gorz, the mere use of Gorz is still highly damaging to the opponent, who is forced to -1 themselves and use their removal when they don't want to use it in order to avoid losing.

 

That's the worst-case scenario, mind you.

 

Oh' date=' and by the way, you can Dark Bribe a Pot of Greed.

[/quote']

 

Aside from my apparently n00bish question, what does that have to do with this?

 

You can Lightning Vortex a Gorz, and you can Dark Bribe a Pot of Greed. But in each case, you're still -1'ing yourself in your best case scenario.

 

if this is a DaD end attack as the normal situation, if the player attacks with DaD first, they lose their chance and basically just screwed themselves over, so the rule is going to become "DaD last" to finish them, or to kill gorz or the token, mattering on the size of the token.

this is going to make the end game so much more fun.

[Phantom Roxas]

You're up against Gorz' date=' so if you still have Lightning Vortex, it would be wise to use it just to get rid of such a threat.

[/quote']

 

Which means that Gorz is an instant +1 for you and forces the opponent to spend their removal at a time in which they are unable to take full advantage of its effects.

 

This post confuses me, but I somewhat understand you.

 

It's like this: Even in a worst-case scenario for the player using Gorz, the mere use of Gorz is still highly damaging to the opponent, who is forced to -1 themselves and use their removal when they don't want to use it in order to avoid losing.

 

That's the worst-case scenario, mind you.

 

Yes, it would be the worst-case scenario, but at least you got rid of Gorz. Also, how would not using it allow them to avoid losing?

 

Oh' date=' and by the way, you can Dark Bribe a Pot of Greed.

[/quote']

 

Aside from my apparently n00bish question, what does that have to do with this?

 

You can Lightning Vortex a Gorz, and you can Dark Bribe a Pot of Greed. But in each case, you're still -1'ing yourself in your best case scenario.

 

You discard one card if you Lightning Vortex Gorz, but your opponent draws three cards if you Dark Bribe Pot of Greed, but that would only be possible in Traditional. But why compare a last-resort combo with an illegal (In Advanced, anyway) combo?

 

if this is a DaD end attack as the normal situation' date=' if the player attacks with DaD first, they lose their chance and basically just screwed themselves over, so the rule is going to become "DaD last" to finish them, or to kill gorz or the token, mattering on the size of the token.

this is going to make the end game so much more fun.

[/quote']

 

You know....that might work. However, people will most likely be aware of this fact, so I wouldn't be too sure.

[CrabHelmet]

You're up against Gorz' date=' so if you still have Lightning Vortex, it would be wise to use it just to get rid of such a threat.

[/quote']

 

Which means that Gorz is an instant +1 for you and forces the opponent to spend their removal at a time in which they are unable to take full advantage of its effects.

 

This post confuses me, but I somewhat understand you.

 

It's like this: Even in a worst-case scenario for the player using Gorz, the mere use of Gorz is still highly damaging to the opponent, who is forced to -1 themselves and use their removal when they don't want to use it in order to avoid losing.

 

That's the worst-case scenario, mind you.

 

Yes, it would be the worst-case scenario, but at least you got rid of Gorz.

 

Wow, I may have needed to use Mirror Force, but at least I stopped Dimension Fusion.

 

By the way, are you implying that counterability implies balance?

 

Also' date=' how would [i']not[/i] using it allow them to avoid losing?

 

You have misread my post. They need to use it in order to avoid losing, even though it would normally be far better to use it at a different time.

 

Oh' date=' and by the way, you can Dark Bribe a Pot of Greed.

[/quote']

 

Aside from my apparently n00bish question, what does that have to do with this?

 

You can Lightning Vortex a Gorz, and you can Dark Bribe a Pot of Greed. But in each case, you're still -1'ing yourself in your best case scenario.

 

You discard one card if you Lightning Vortex Gorz, but your opponent draws three cards if you Dark Bribe Pot of Greed, but that would only be possible in Traditional. But why compare a last-resort combo with an illegal (In Advanced, anyway) combo?

 

Dark Bribe makes the opponent draw three cards now? I didn't hear about that errata.

 

The point is that a card can be counterable while still being broken.

[The Dark One]

You guys do know that you can't activate DAD's effect during the Battle Phase, right?

[Phantom Roxas]

You're up against Gorz' date=' so if you still have Lightning Vortex, it would be wise to use it just to get rid of such a threat.

[/quote']

 

Which means that Gorz is an instant +1 for you and forces the opponent to spend their removal at a time in which they are unable to take full advantage of its effects.

 

This post confuses me, but I somewhat understand you.

 

It's like this: Even in a worst-case scenario for the player using Gorz, the mere use of Gorz is still highly damaging to the opponent, who is forced to -1 themselves and use their removal when they don't want to use it in order to avoid losing.

 

That's the worst-case scenario, mind you.

 

Yes, it would be the worst-case scenario, but at least you got rid of Gorz.

 

Wow, I may have needed to use Mirror Force, but at least I stopped Dimension Fusion.

 

By the way, are you implying that counterability implies balance?

 

Wait, what?

 

Also' date=' how would [i']not[/i] using it allow them to avoid losing?

 

You have misread my post. They need to use it in order to avoid losing, even though it would normally be far better to use it at a different time.

 

Your opponent has Gorz, and most likely Kaien, out. Tell me when I should use Vortex.

 

Oh' date=' and by the way, you can Dark Bribe a Pot of Greed.

[/quote']

 

Aside from my apparently n00bish question, what does that have to do with this?

 

You can Lightning Vortex a Gorz, and you can Dark Bribe a Pot of Greed. But in each case, you're still -1'ing yourself in your best case scenario.

 

You discard one card if you Lightning Vortex Gorz, but your opponent draws three cards if you Dark Bribe Pot of Greed, but that would only be possible in Traditional. But why compare a last-resort combo with an illegal (In Advanced, anyway) combo?

 

Dark Bribe makes the opponent draw three cards now? I didn't hear about that errata.

 

Your example was using Dark Bribe, which makes your opponent draw one card, against Pot of Greed, which makes your opponent draw two card. 1+2=3.

 

You guys do know that you can't activate DAD's effect during the Battle Phase' date=' right?

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Ah, but can it not be used in Main Phase 2?