Phantom Roxas Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Probably because Rudger happened to remove his cloak when he encountered Rex, yet put his cloak back on when dueling Yusei? No one can be at two places at once, so the Rudger dueling Yusei is just a clone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyhe Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 so this ep was ok,but they had to give a cliffhanger like always. like the Rex Godwin duel disk arm, it was amazing and the fact that Rudger also have the metal arm as Rex is fishy, and so is the mysterious guy Jaeger was speaking to...and after an apparent news broadcast on Neo Domino Although the preview showed Rudger and followed by the 5th Signer's arm directly, it proves nothing that Rudger being the 5th Signer. Until next week where I personally see that left amr of Rudger bearing the dragon head marking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aelsthla-Mental Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Waaaait a second... This may kinda screw up with the timing, but what if when Rudger beat Godwin, he brainwashed him and forced him to take his place, using magic or makeup to make Rex appear to be Rudger? ...No, scratch that last comment, the robot arms of Rex and Rudger are rather different. Wouldn't help him be at two places at once anyway, as that would mean the first place he was has already been done anyway. as for more dead signers... Perhaps when Yusei beat Kiryu, Jack and Aki have already beaten their respective opponents and we haven't seen it? Pretty flawed I know, but it's an idea. You're right though, Something is up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyhe Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Waaaait a second... This may kinda screw up with the timing' date=' but what if when Rudger beat Godwin, he brainwashed him and forced him to take his place, using magic or makeup to make Rex appear to be Rudger? ...No, scratch that last comment, the robot arms of Rex and Rudger are rather different. Wouldn't help him be at two places at once anyway, as that would mean the first place he was has already been done anyway. as for more dead signers... Perhaps when Yusei beat Kiryu, Jack and Aki have already beaten their respective opponents and we haven't seen it? Pretty flawed I know, but it's an idea. You're right though, Something is up...[/quote']I am quite sure Rex and Rudger didn't duel. If they did, then a spider geoglyphs would have appeared earlier Also, your other theory is also wrong...since that ep 58 is on Jack's duel with Carly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aelsthla-Mental Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Not quite. The episodes don't have to be in order of happening all the time. I do recall some series which have episodes that were actually happening at the same time. Wouldn't explain where the other signers are i suppose, on the way? As for the spider geoglyph. Well, since Godwin wasn't a signer, Rudger may not have bothered. You recall Demak not being to pleased when his opponent didn't turn out to be a signer. Could just be that it wasn't who he wanted of course, but it's a possibility. Carly's can be explained simply because of revenge. Alternatively, could just be some small nicety for his brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyhe Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Not quite. The episodes don't have to be in order of happening all the time. I do recall some series which have episodes that were actually happening at the same time. Wouldn't explain where the other signers are i suppose' date=' on the way? As for the spider geoglyph. Well, since Godwin wasn't a signer, Rudger may not have bothered. You recall Demak not being to pleased when his opponent didn't turn out to be a signer. Could just be that it wasn't who he wanted of course, but it's a possibility. Carly's can be explained simply because of revenge. Alternatively, could just be some small nicety for his brother.[/quote']No, the geoglyphs are applicable for all and any dark signer duels and 5D's is not like Haruhi Suzumiya...it follows time and chronology more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aelsthla-Mental Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Neither of those have outstanding evidence. They may just decide to do strange timing episodes. I agree it would seem off, but not impossible. And there is still the question of only one candle remaining, when the defeat of a dark signer has always taken one off. Neither is it impossible that a Dark Signer may engage in a duel without engaging the geoglyph. While they have never not used it, they have also never been in a situation where it was better to not use it. Admittedly that may be because they try to not get into that situation, but I'd like further evidence before considering it an impossibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyhe Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Neither of those have outstanding evidence. They may just decide to do strange timing episodes. I agree it would seem off' date=' but not impossible. And there is still the question of only one candle remaining, when the defeat of a dark signer has always taken one off. Neither is it impossible that a Dark Signer may engage in a duel without engaging the geoglyph. While they have never not used it, they have also never been in a situation where it was better to not use it. Admittedly that may be because they try to not get into that situation, but I'd like further evidence before considering it an impossibility.[/quote']The second one could be from Bommer's own defeat... And was there ever a case where in a Dark Signer duels, but his geoglyph not activated (while as a Dark Signer) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aelsthla-Mental Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 To your second question, that was pretty much what I was talking about (albeit vaguely). No, but then again they never had a duel where they shouldn't have. Although that may be BECAUSE they can't stop the geoglyph, which would make you right. As for the first... The problem is that there are six dark signers and six candles, currently five of the candles are out The one for Demak and Bommer has been seen to go out, as has Kiryu. But when we saw Kiryu's go out, there was only one left. For Rudger himself I'd be guessing. And that's the thing that makes me wonder if the other Dark Signers are defeated at the time that Kiryu was defeated. It seems odd true, they should have had the duel with Demak after the others anyway (if only so Yusei didn't have to duel twice in a row), but here it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbra Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Although the preview showed Rudger and followed by the 5th Signer's arm directly' date=' it proves nothing that Rudger being the 5th Signer. Until next week where I personally see that left amr of Rudger bearing the dragon head marking...[/quote'] It showed one of the Dragon Head birthmarks on an arm with the exact same skin tone and wearing the exact same clothing as Rudger, and showed Rudger directly before and after showing the arm. It was also in the same place as Rudger, given the background. In other words, the chance of it being anyone besides Rudger is null/10. Aesthla, we saw both Jack and Aki while Yusei was dueling Kiryu, in which the events happened in synch with the Duel. That would mean that both Jack and Aki started, finished and won their Duel before we see Rudger in the room with the candles - a matter of moments. In other words, highly unlikely. I'm starting to think that Rudger, Demak and Kiryu have been Dark Signers the longest, and are actually part of an older generation of Dark Signers. Rudger and Demak most likely ascended in Zero Reverse, and we all know Kiryu's story by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SushiTheLegend Posted April 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Kiryu seemed to have become a Dark Signer around the time of Zero Reverse or just a bit after. Misty and Carly being more recent. Also there was three candles left not one, therefore you fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbra Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Kiryu seemed to have become a Dark Signer around the time of Zero Reverse or just a bit after. Misty and Carly being more recent. Also there was three candles left not one' date=' therefore you fail.[/quote'] One candle was left after Kiryu died. Therefore, you fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 I'm starting to think that Rudger' date=' Demak and Kiryu have been Dark Signers the longest, and are actually part of an older generation of Dark Signers. Rudger and Demak most likely ascended in Zero Reverse, and we all know Kiryu's story by now.[/quote'] You're only now thinking that? Kiryu seemed to have become a Dark Signer around the time of Zero Reverse or just a bit after. Misty and Carly being more recent. Also there was three candles left not one' date=' therefore you fail.[/quote'] The Zero Reverse occurred 17 years ago, which is when everyone in Team Satisfaction was barely a year old. I can't recall if it's been explicitly stated when Kiryu became a Dark Signer, but I guess it was at least three years ago. If you look at the second candlestick, none of them are lit, but the first candlestick only has one lit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SushiTheLegend Posted April 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Kiryu seemed to have become a Dark Signer around the time of Zero Reverse or just a bit after. Misty and Carly being more recent. Also there was three candles left not one' date=' therefore you fail.[/quote'] One candle was left after Kiryu died. Therefore, you fail.I was trying to support you, and actually the second set you don't know if they are lit or not. And okay I agree with you there Roxas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbra Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Except that we know that the second set isn't lit, as evident by the lack of fire on it. Also, Roxas, no. It's just that I didn't include the current DS'ers in the previous generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyfi Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Ha! Just saw 56 And my theroy was correct, One of the Dark Signers was truely the 5th Signer! All fo you kept trying to put that theory down, so Ha! Rudger I Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Games Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 I think that the candlestick represents the elite Dark Signers, or at least the ones with primary colours, lol. the other candlestick could represent the previous generation of Dark Signers. The ypounger Dark Signers; Carly, Misty and Bommer aren't important enough to hold candle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aelsthla-Mental Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 Aesthla' date=' we saw both Jack and Aki while Yusei was dueling Kiryu, in which the events happened in synch with the Duel. That would mean that both Jack and Aki started, finished and won their Duel before we see Rudger in the room with the candles - a matter of moments. In other words, highly unlikely. I'm starting to think that Rudger, Demak and Kiryu have been Dark Signers the longest, and are actually part of an older generation of Dark Signers. Rudger and Demak most likely ascended in Zero Reverse, and we all know Kiryu's story by now.[/quote'] I think I may agree with that theory as well. I noticed in episode 28 that both candle holders were lit, despite the fact that the other Dark Signers have yet to be awoken. Admittedly in the second candle holder you never see the lit ones, but you see the light given off by them. The main little bit of info that keeps a vague suspicion is that there are four Dark Signers around at the time, including Misty. So if that second one with the light only has one candle lit, it would make sense still. ...But I think what they were trying to say is that the other candle holder isn't important. Another assist to that theory is that it never shows a candle going out with Bommer's defeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SushiTheLegend Posted May 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 Aesthla' date=' we saw both Jack and Aki while Yusei was dueling Kiryu, in which the events happened in synch with the Duel. That would mean that both Jack and Aki started, finished and won their Duel before we see Rudger in the room with the candles - a matter of moments. In other words, highly unlikely. I'm starting to think that Rudger, Demak and Kiryu have been Dark Signers the longest, and are actually part of an older generation of Dark Signers. Rudger and Demak most likely ascended in Zero Reverse, and we all know Kiryu's story by now.[/quote'] I think I may agree with that theory as well. I noticed in episode 28 that both candle holders were lit, despite the fact that the other Dark Signers have yet to be awoken. Admittedly in the second candle holder you never see the lit ones, but you see the light given off by them. The main little bit of info that keeps a vague suspicion is that there are four Dark Signers around at the time, including Misty. So if that second one with the light only has one candle lit, it would make sense still. ...But I think what they were trying to say is that the other candle holder isn't important. Another assist to that theory is that it never shows a candle going out with Bommer's defeat.In that sense...Kiryu, Demak, and Rudger/Misty are the important ones...also Aki was never shown in the second Kiryu duel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovi Siagian Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 Aesthla' date=' we saw both Jack and Aki while Yusei was dueling Kiryu, in which the events happened in synch with the Duel. That would mean that both Jack and Aki started, finished and won their Duel before we see Rudger in the room with the candles - a matter of moments. In other words, highly unlikely. I'm starting to think that Rudger, Demak and Kiryu have been Dark Signers the longest, and are actually part of an older generation of Dark Signers. Rudger and Demak most likely ascended in Zero Reverse, and we all know Kiryu's story by now.[/quote'] I think I may agree with that theory as well. I noticed in episode 28 that both candle holders were lit, despite the fact that the other Dark Signers have yet to be awoken. Admittedly in the second candle holder you never see the lit ones, but you see the light given off by them. The main little bit of info that keeps a vague suspicion is that there are four Dark Signers around at the time, including Misty. So if that second one with the light only has one candle lit, it would make sense still. ...But I think what they were trying to say is that the other candle holder isn't important. Another assist to that theory is that it never shows a candle going out with Bommer's defeat.In that sense...Kiryu, Demak, and Rudger/Misty are the important ones...also Aki was never shown in the second Kiryu duel. She was, wasn't she? When her birthmark was glowing to help Yusei getting Savior Dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SushiTheLegend Posted May 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 I do not call that an appearance...Jack actually was seen on his duel runner, I am an Aki obsessor...if I don't physically see her body she wasn't there. >> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovi Siagian Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 I do not call that an appearance...Jack actually was seen on his duel runner' date=' I am an Aki obsessor...if I don't physically see her body she wasn't there. >>[/quote'] BUt her body was shown. She did some talk, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SushiTheLegend Posted May 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 No her arm was shown...that was it nothing more. And if she really was shown full body, then link or it never happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovi Siagian Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 No her arm was shown...that was it nothing more. And if she really was shown full body' date=' then link or it never happened.[/quote'] Too lazy to find it. Just watch episode 55. It's subbed by Prism now so you can understand what she said. >.> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbra Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 No her arm was shown...that was it nothing more. And if she really was shown full body' date=' then link or it never happened.[/quote'] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBQg9pm5-C0&feature=channel7:32. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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