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Rasca was OPed to the EXTREME. It was funny because Godwin already had his Dragon Loop combo which was beating down his opponents pretty good.

 

And admit it, anime Machinicle was evilly OPed too. ZONE's Traps are nothing to the OPness that are his Temporal Machine Gods.

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I actually noticed something that should have, perhaps, pointed us to the direction of Zoneisntreallyyusei.

 

During Antinomy's duel, he eventually loses. After that loss, he acknowledges Yusei's ability and places his hope in him. Now, you may say "yeah, and?" Well, let's think about it. Antinomy met Yusei in the future. He either 1) knew the truth about ZONE!notreallyYusei, or 2) was deluded, and thought ZONE was indeed Yusei.

 

If it's the second, it doesn't make sense. Sure, the bonds of 5Ds may have made him feel all warm and fuzzy inside, but... ZONE was still Yusei. The same Yusei that had beaten him was the Yusei that he had met in the future. He shouldn't have been 'convinced' by the fact that the person who was ZONE in the past had beaten him, at least not to the point of him totally changing his beliefs. He already knew Yusei - ZONE was beyond human, even at that point. And even so, he knew that the very same Yusei whom he had fought, had been defeated by the future's disaster. So, if we assume ZONE was Yusei and Antinomy knew it, or at least that Antinomy believed it, then there were no reasons in either his time spent with 5Ds, or his duel with Yusei, for his change of heart.

 

But if he knew the 'truth', his line of thought might have been something like this: 'yeah, we took Yusei, we pimped him out, and it all led to nothing, Yusei is good but he can't save the future. Only we can do it, and we'll go about it the only surefire way. We'll use Yusei's power to return to the past and blow Neo Domino city to smithereens. At that point, Antinomy wasn't 'worshipping' Yusei like it was seen in the flashback. He had faith in ZONE, the man who had become Yusei. Yusei's power had already proven inadequate to save the future, so he was simply used to summon the Arc Cradle and then discarded. If ZONE was Yusei, then Antinomy would not disregard Yusei, because Yusei was the man who would become ZONE, who would be the one to ultimately save the future. So if Antinomy thought ZONE was Yusei, his attitude towards Yusei was totally unfounded.

 

So there, you have it. We know Antinomy knew ZONE's Yusei form. So either Antinomy knew the truth, or thought ZONE was Yusei. But if Antinomy thought ZONE was Yusei, he should have either had the same faith in past!Yusei as he did in future!Yusei from the beginning, or, if it was decided that Yusei in general could do nothing except what ZONE was doing right now, he should never have gotten that kind of faith anyway. His defeat shouldn't have played a part either, because he had already acknowledged ZONE as his superior - all that would have happened was accelerated growth, for which Antinomy himself was responsible.

 

tl;dr: Antinomy's reactions make no sense if ZONE was actually Yusei.

 

I know I didn't word everything very well (tired atm), and some parts may not make the best of sense, but I'll try to work them through better some other time. Of course, all this proves is that ZONE != Yusei wasn't a thought that came up in the very last second, but was there for at least... 5 episodes >_>.

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That was thought out, but the issue with the reveal is that, in some people's eyes, ZONE being Future!Yusei was a superior plot and character element than ZONE being Fake!Yusei. I too noticed the logic/paradox fallacy that if ZONE was Yusei, Yusei coming up to Antinomy in the future was someone instantly recognized, and past!Yusei is not a valid enemy, because killing Yusei will do a ton of weird crap.

 

Part of me overlooking it had to do with the thought that the Gear Guardians (Sherry, Aporia, Antinomy) were supposed to lose, and deep down knew it.

 

I don't believe the writers thought "hey, let's retcon our buildup so ZONE isn't Yusei". I think they thought "hey, let's build up the evidence that ZONE's Yusei, reveal ZONE's face to confirm it, then yank the rug out and say 'Ha! He's not Yusei! Fooled you all! Hahaha!'"

 

After seeing 149 subbed, I have less complaints about ZONE's backstory, because ZONE's point is that Yusei, the famous savior of Neo Domino City, can't save the future when it comes. ZONE used Yusei's power, his image, his personality. For all intents and purposes, ZONE is Yusei. However, Yusei wasn't enough. Shooting Star Dragon, Clear Mind, his personality, his power, it's not enough. Humans cannot change their hearts. They will always have elements of greed, hate, and evil. The Momentum can never be controlled by such hearts. The world cannot continue the way it has.

 

Thus, the solution is to remove Momentum. Zero Reverse didn't work, so the Arc Cradle will destroy the city itself.

 

Also, on your comment, ZONE's backstory reveals that everyone else had died by the time he met Antinomy. I'm willing to bet he point-out said "I'm not Yusei Fudo. I had this plan..."

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ZONE never used SSD to attack the Emperors. He used him to demonstrate the unwavering standpoint, and show the people that as long as they could control the darkness in their hearts, they could control Momentum and they would not be attacked by the Machine Emperors. Perhaps Top Clear Mind, rather than an 'extension' of Clear Mind, at that point actually works in a more forceful way (as seen by Antinomy blowing up the star), and thus represents the 'bad' aspect of Synchro that accelerates Momentum and causes destruction. Maybe the whole point is that people should keep everything balanced - after all, Clear Mind's activation is represented by a ripple, classic symbolism for such concepts. Cosmic Blazar Dragon could be an 'imperfect' Delta Accel, like Halberd Cannon, and thus dangerous, whereas 'true' Delta Accel has some additional requirements, which might be shown when Yusei summons Shooting Quasar.

 

God, this makes no sense.

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Shooting Star Dragon is a better representation of Clear Mind than a Delta Accel Synchro. We dont even know what "Top Clear Mind" is at this point, but we know the conditions of Clear Mind and that doubt and other negative emotions can prevent it (Placido demonstrated this).

 

I think that console data is fascinating.

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here's the card that we anticipated for so long

 

[spoiler=Shooting Quasar Dragon]

Shooting Quasar Dragon

LIGHT/Dragon/12/4000/4000/Synchro/Effect:

1 Synchro Tuner + 2 or more non-Tuner Synchro Monsters.

This card can attack equal to the number of Synchro Monsters used to Synchro Summon it. When this card attacks, negate the activation of an effect that would negate other cards' activation or effect until the end of the Battle Phase. Negate Effect damage you would receive. This card is unaffected by the effects of your opponent's monsters. When this card is removed from the field, destroy all monsters on the field and Special Summon 1 "Shooting Star Dragon" from your Extra Deck. That Special Summon is treated as a Synchro Summon.

 

Credit goes for Le Pirrot for posting it in the TCG section with the card image

 

 

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Oh, my god.

 

This episode was... incapable of being described.

 

Hey everyone, did you know you no longer have a need to summon monsters to the field first before using them? You can just toss them out of your hand whenever you want, and for that matter, from your Extra deck as well.

 

Also, Yusei's motorcycle is a sentient being that not only dashes to save its rider from a lethal fall, but also makes trading cards hover in front of its controls so that Yusei can have easier access to them. Also, it's exclusively powered by Papa Fudo ©.

 

Yeah... also, the guys from Satellite are all apparently dead and Yusei only dimly remembers images of their ghosts. Oh, and OVER TOP CLEAR MIND is where your body apparently turns to solid gold, and LIMIT OVER ACCEL SYNCHRO is where Angels from EVA descend upon the Yugioh universe on the wings of giant red flying serpents.

 

... so, am I this much of a fanboy for actually liking it? :trollface

 

EDIT: Also, did those guys lose the rights to Clear Mind or something? =S What happened to that insert song they spammed so much...

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Oh, my god.

 

This episode was... incapable of being described.

 

Hey everyone, did you know you no longer have a need to summon monsters to the field first before using them? You can just toss them out of your hand whenever you want, and for that matter, from your Extra deck as well.

 

Yusei likes using Effects that activate from the hand. However, the Extra Deck is legal, provided there aren't conditions on the Synchro monster. You wont be able to revive it later, though, due to the Nomi clause inherently affecting Synchros and Fusions outside the Extra Deck. He used a Speed Spell that permitted it, but I'm not sure of its full effect.

 

Also, Yusei's motorcycle is a sentient being that not only dashes to save its rider from a lethal fall, but also makes trading cards hover in front of its controls so that Yusei can have easier access to them. Also, it's exclusively powered by Papa Fudo ©.

 

Yeah... also, the guys from Satellite are all apparently dead and Yusei only dimly remembers images of their ghosts. Oh, and OVER TOP CLEAR MIND is where your body apparently turns to solid gold, and LIMIT OVER ACCEL SYNCHRO is where Angels from EVA descend upon the Yugioh universe on the wings of giant red flying serpents.

 

Kiryu was also shown among that group.

 

... so, am I this much of a fanboy for actually liking it? :trollface

 

EDIT: Also, did those guys lose the rights to Clear Mind or something? =S What happened to that insert song they spammed so much...

 

I liked the episode, I just don't think it's amazing. I may need subs to fully comprehend the conversation with Yusei and his dad.

 

Episode's highlight: "Papa Fudo" slapping Yusei.

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i can bet that "Papa Fudo" slapping Yusei is probably gonna get dubbed out by 4kids, but i do want to see it in the dub though

They didn't dub out Yusei fighting with Jack, because Jack was "helping Yusei in a sense". I'm sure that they won't censor it.

 

EDIT: I'm sure that Jack was still choking Lyndon with that necktie in the Clock episode...

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