Aesirson Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 Jord, that's the dub. Your argument is not valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 oh, woops. how embarrasing. and Umbra, the theorys have nothing to do with Jack or the fact that Carly and Mikage are both girls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbra Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 oh' date=' woops. how embarrasing. and Umbra, the theorys have nothing to do with Jack or the fact that Carly and Mikage are both girls.[/quote'] Except that it's the only thing the two of them have in common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vector Nightmare Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 If she manages to gather some info on Yliaster, it'd be high time Mikage actually did something halfway useful. I'm quite convinced Bruno and Dark Glass are the same, the script writers have proven time and again they're not quite fond of twisting on top of twisting. Godwin was their perfect opportunity to pull something unpredictable and they ruined it, I don't see it happening with this either. Obvious twist is most likely the correct twist. The NGE Angel-wannabes being used together? Each one already occupies 5 Monster slots... unless we see a three-on-three duel again (which would be kinda lame for an ending just like season 1's ending was), I don't see how that would happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbra Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 I'm quite convinced Bruno and Dark Glass are the same' date=' the script writers have proven time and again they're not quite fond of twisting on top of twisting. [/quote'] How is two different people being two different people "twisting on top of twisting"? The whole Bruno = Dark Glass theory is fanon: It has never been touched upon nor even implied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanAtlus Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 I'm quite convinced Bruno and Dark Glass are the same' date=' the script writers have proven time and again they're not quite fond of twisting on top of twisting. [/quote'] How is two different people being two different people "twisting on top of twisting"? The whole Bruno = Dark Glass theory is fanon: It has never been touched upon nor even implied. They're probably artificial twins built with the same program. They both hate their makers and therefore try to help Yusei. Anyways, I hope Jack and Crow don't instant-lose against team Catastrophe. It would be awesome if Jack used SS-Speed Fusion to Fuse Multiple Piece Golem, and then retrieved it later in the Duel to Fuse Dragoquites by using Red Demon and...Twin-Sword Marauder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 Guise. I'm actually thinking in the anime that Dragoquites can only be Fusion Summoned by having 1 "Dragon" Synchro Monster and 1 "Warrior" Synchro Monster. Too the fact that why would Yusei waste his time summoning Junk Warrior when he could of just fused it with Junk Synchron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vector Nightmare Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 How is two different people being two different people "twisting on top of twisting"? The whole Bruno = Dark Glass theory is fanon: It has never been touched upon nor even implied. It's been heavily foreshadowed if you ask me' date=' I was convinced of that long before I found out it was a semi-popular theory. It's an ez-mode twist tbh, so I figure that's what they'll go by. I'll be satisfied if they turn out to not be "the same" in some fashion or other, because that'd be infinitely less predictable. Guise. I'm actually thinking in the anime that Dragoquites can only be Fusion Summoned by having 1 "Dragon" Synchro Monster and 1 "Warrior" Synchro Monster. Too the fact that why would Yusei waste his time summoning Junk Warrior when he could of just fused it with Junk Synchron Maybe the writers wanted you to think he was going to Accel Synchro the hell out of somebody... with a level 13 monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bringerofcake Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Guise. I'm actually thinking in the anime that Dragoquites can only be Fusion Summoned by having 1 "Dragon" Synchro Monster and 1 "Warrior" Synchro Monster. Too the fact that why would Yusei waste his time summoning Junk Warrior when he could of just fused it with Junk Synchron I would think because the two "main" Synchro Monsters Yusei uses are Junk Warrior and Stardust (they ARE featured in both theme songs). The Fusion between the two is "symbolic" somehow, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 As soon as I finish the next ep of CSI:Miami I'm off to watch 5Ds to catch up Something did make me lol when checking Janime, In the OP there's a group shot of 6 Dragons (BRD, SDD, RDD, AFD, BFD and what appears to be Power Tool Dragon). Have a look and see what you think of it. Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbra Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 There's no mistaking that - it's the Fifth Dragon from Ruka's vision, also known as Yellow Dragon. The question is WHAT IS IT DOING AND WHY IS IT STILL ALIVE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Well, at least the writes haven't forgotten about the real fifth dragon >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendano Harns Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 As soon as I finish the next ep of CSI:Miami I'm off to watch 5Ds to catch up Something did make me lol when checking Janime' date=' In the OP there's a group shot of 6 Dragons (BRD, SDD, RDD, AFD, BFD and what appears to be Power Tool Dragon). Have a look and see what you think of it. Here Is lika hybrid of the fifth dragon and Power Tool Dragon. XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 I think it was Umbra who said that the king of the underworld was possibly an evil version of the 5th dragon. I just compared pics and..... well mabye he's right.....http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Fifth_Dragonhttp://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/King_of_the_Netherworld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vector Nightmare Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Well, that dragon was probably Rudger's card, but he never used it. Now that Crow became a Signer in his place the "spirit" of the 5th dragon was transferred to his Blackfeather Dragon... or some utter bullshit like that. That's what I thought, at least, but that picture implies there are in fact 6 Signer Dragons... ok, no, but it at least promises a debut of the 6th dragon some time throughout the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Which would be nice, I suppose after waiitng so long. Well I'm catching up 93+ onwards, should be fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbra Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 I read the Fifth Signer / Blackfeather Dragon business as this:• The Signer and their Dragon are linked. The Crimson Dragon gives power to the Signers, manifesting a Mark on them. When Rudger died, the Fifth Dragon would have been returned to wherever they came from. However, thanks to the cut-off arm, the dragon survived to some extent. The majority of Rudger's body decayed and turned into a Dark Signer, but the arm stayed. Thus, the Fifth Dragon retained some of it's appearance while otherwise appearing all slimy - the King of the Underworld.• When the final remainder of Rudger's body, the arm, was finally destroyed, the Fifth Dragon returned to the Crimson Dragon. By then, the Crimson Dragon had already granted the fifth share of it's power to Crow - born after Rudger's death and therefore a completely new Signer. With a new Signer, comes a new Dragon. Cue entrance, Blackfeather Dragon elevated to SignerDragon-status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vector Nightmare Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 The only problem is that, as far as I can remember, the Signer Dragons are supposed to be the 5 dragons that fought the Earthbound Gods some millennia ago. Which would mean that, unlike the Signers, it doesn't make sense that the Signer Dragon can suddenly change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aesirson Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 I was bored and decided to watch the RAW of Episode 104. I funking jizzed at the opening. I don't think that Yu-Gi-Oh! has suffered THAT much epicness before. Placido and Jose looks epic without the cloaks, and the Fifth Dragon is in it. yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's just went from epic to Godly Epin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbra Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 The only problem is that' date=' as far as I can remember, the Signer Dragons are supposed to be the 5 dragons that fought the Earthbound Gods some millennia ago. Which would mean that, unlike the Signers, it doesn't make sense that the Signer Dragon can suddenly change.[/quote'] The original five Signer Dragons and the original five Signers fought the Earthbound Gods some millennia ago, yes. After that, the Signers have been reincarnating whenever they're needed. BUT some things have been stirred thanks to the arm loophole. Yusei didn't change his deck - namely, give Stardust to Crow - just because he got a different mark. Thus, we know that the marks and the dragons aren't strictly tied to each other. For the same reason, we know that the mark and the person aren't strictly tied to each other. We can suspect that the dragons need a Signer to be able to be summoned into our world, although we have no direct confirmation of this. Going on, Rudger was the reincarnation of an original Signer. Crow, on the other hand, is a new Signer, similar to the Original Five, and thus SHOULD have a different dragon. The Fifth Dragon as shown in Ruka's vision didn't "change" into Blackfeather Dragon - they are simply two completely different dragons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Caught upto 97 now, I hate the Wheel Of Fortunes new colours, so doesn't suit it. JACK beating up Bruno was fun, and complaining against Crow borrowing the WoF. Umbra don't try to justify Crow's mainness, I don't know how much of the fandom really like it and want it justifying. I know I don't. I laughed when he broke his arm =D. I got angry though when Prism had JACK saying that it's the 5th Dragon. How does Pearson tie to BFD though since he used it before Crow. Never mind I just don't like Crow getting to do something cool. (And disliked the duel against Bolger) Team Unicorn on first impression were boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbra Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Umbra don't try to justify Crow's mainness I'm not justifying it - there's no need for justification. I'm simply providing my theory as to why Crow didn't get the Fifth Dragon shown in Ruka's vision, and providing reasons to boot. Just because YOU don't like Crow doesn't mean everyone else must spew nothing but hatred on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vector Nightmare Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 The original five Signer Dragons and the original five Signers fought the Earthbound Gods some millennia ago' date=' yes. After that, the Signers have been reincarnating whenever they're needed. BUT some things have been stirred thanks to the arm loophole. Yusei didn't change his deck - namely, give Stardust to Crow - just because he got a different mark. Thus, we know that the marks and the dragons aren't strictly tied to each other. For the same reason, we know that the mark and the person aren't strictly tied to each other. We can suspect that the dragons need a Signer to be able to be summoned into our world, although we have no direct confirmation of this. Going on, Rudger was the reincarnation of an original Signer. Crow, on the other hand, is a new Signer, similar to the Original Five, and thus SHOULD have a different dragon. The Fifth Dragon as shown in Ruka's vision didn't "change" into Blackfeather Dragon - they are simply two completely different dragons.[/quote'] I don't think it works like that. In the beginning there were 5 Signers and their Dragons, which were Stardust, Red Demons, Black Rose, Ancient Fairy and whatever that yellow dragon is. The current Signers, presumably any current Signer who inherits the birthmark of the Crimson Dragon including Crow, are the descendants of those 5 Signers, and are identified because they are using one of the original five Dragons. I also believe they are 'tied' to them in a fashion that Rex explained as the dragon cards "finding their way" to their owners, even though they aren't the only ones who can actually use them, Yusei is the descendant of the guy who used Stardust in the past, Jack of the one who used RDD etc. No matter what, the 5 Signer Dragons should be those 5 Dragons though. In other words, going by what we've seen, the term "Signer Dragon" should refer to those 5 Dragons and no other Dragon. The fact that Blackfeather Dragon is now a Signer Dragon implies that either a) the previous implication of what the term meant was inaccurate b) the fifth Dragon is Blackfeather Dragon which contradicts what Ruka saw, or c) there was some sort of "passing on" the Signer-ness of the 5th Dragon to Blackfeather, just as Crow got the birthmark. I dunno. Maybe I'm thinking it too deeply, but it doesn't make sense that for millenia the Signer Dragons were exactly those 5 and just now it happened and one of them changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbra Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Your C-theory is exactly what I meant. I related it to Crow becoming the Tail Signer while Yusei kept Stardust, or however one would explain the Rudger-Yusei-Crow constellation. The term "Signer Dragon" refers to the five Dragons that are used by the Signers. For obvious reasons, Exploder Dragonwing doesn't count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vector Nightmare Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Yeah, but that would mean that one of the original five Signer Dragons is suddenly no longer a Signer Dragon, and his Signer status has been transferred to BFD. This in turn means that the term "Signer Dragon" does not refer to those five Dragons that fought the Earthbound Gods. Though as at least 4 of the original 5 Dragons coincide perfectly with the 4 known pre-Crow Dragons used by the Signers, there was never a "change" or "replacement" of a Dragon in the past, which means Crow is the first and only so far known Signer to not use one of the original Signer Dragons, but a new one. Which is rather @_@ if you look at the whole story. But, whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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