ice godess nakyu Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Why are my two best cards in my deck banned it no fair TT_TT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarbleZone Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 What the hell, they ban Call of The Haunted and simultaneously allow 3 Jinzo, which stops the trap dead, and then allow Monster ReBroken? Are they nuts?! Then they take away MoF, which sucks as well, but fortunately limit Nobleman, which was annoying. However, they kill yet another OTK by limiting Advanced Ritual Art to 1. They're not fond of alternative strategies are they? I think they seriously messed up on this one, especially allowing Monster Reborn and banning the weaker Call of The Haunted, which could easily be stopped by the unlimited Jinzos. Slowing down Raiza was good, it doesn't take much skill to use that thing, but lifting the limit on Gadgets... Also Cyber at 2 made me cry inside, since I already got one and had ordered 2 more tins on ebay the day before yesterday. Crap, I know it's splashable, but I wanted to try a usable Cyber End Dragon/Chimeratech Deck with them... Meh, this list was a disappointment to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice godess nakyu Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 What the hell' date=' they ban Call of The Haunted and simultaneously allow 3 Jinzo, which stops the trap dead, and then allow Monster ReBroken? Are they nuts?! Then they take away MoF, which sucks as well, but fortunately limit Nobleman, which was annoying. However, they kill yet another OTK by limiting Advanced Ritual Art to 1. They're not fond of alternative strategies are they? I think they seriously messed up on this one, especially allowing Monster Reborn and banning the weaker Call of The Haunted, which could easily be stopped by the unlimited Jinzos. Slowing down Raiza was good, it doesn't take much skill to use that thing, but lifting the limit on Gadgets... Also Cyber at 2 made me cry inside, since I already got one and had ordered 2 more tins on ebay the day before yesterday. Crap, I know it's splashable, but I wanted to try a usable Cyber End Dragon/Chimeratech Deck with them... Meh, this list was a disappointment to me.[/quote'] Ouch and i thought the Magician Of Faith thing hit me hard but not so much the Breaker thing Snipe Hunter is the way to go + im adding Magical Blast so infinite replay would you know how to replace Magician Of Faith by an chance ANYONE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSceptile Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 To replace Faith just use DMoC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EHERO Andrew Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 YAY! RAIZA IS LIMITED! That will thankfully screw up Perfect Circle decks! I'm glad Monster Reborn is back, since I got like 1000 Monster Reborn's. I'm happy with this list, even though Meta is still banned. AND THANK GOD L&D DRAGON IS SEMI-LIMTED! Now his deck is not so cheap. AND ADVANCED RITUAL ART IS LIMITED! IM SO HAPPY! SCREW U DEMISE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarbleZone Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Up until this ban list there was no need to replace. DMoC and MoF serve different purposes 80% of the time. Whereas MoF is a flip effect that can fetch you a Spell Card in a critical moment, DMoC is something you will be summoning when you have the game more or less under control; be it with RftDD or via Tributes, you have managed to set things up to summon him. MoF is quicker and more useful in a pinch, unless you Foolish Burial DMoC and Special Summon him...I think banning MoF again wasn't so great, as the card wasn't gamebreaking per se. I felt the same about the banning of Graceful Charity back when it happened; the game nowadays draw power, and if both players have access to it, I don't see the point in hunting the cards down. :? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSceptile Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 MoF is quicker? Are you ****ing serious? Flip-effects are the slowest, and most vunerable cards in the game. DMoC is easy as hell to summon, whether it be D-Fusion, The Dark Creator, Premy, Escape From the Dark Dimension, Monster Reborn, soon to come DDR. Faith has to sit there on the field and pray to god it doesn't get Nobleman'd, or Drillroid. Once Faith's effect goes off it's useless, but DMoC is still a 2800 beatstick that screws over recuiters, Sangan, Frog, Trooper etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarbleZone Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Aren't you a little jumpy? :?MoF is quicker because it's searchable (sangan, apprentice magician), and not getting Nobleman'd is the concern of any face-down monster. DMoC is easy to summon if you're willing to spend a bunch of cards; it's not splashable like MoF is. I don't think we can compare both cards because one doesn't replace the other. MoF is useful because it's small and simple. DMoC is useful because it's big and has more than one good effect. It got great support in Phantom Darkness, but nobody will run DMoC because they can't run MoF; they have different purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilson91 Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Woah this list is awesome! Where did you get it from? I checked UDE and they haven't been updated yet -_-. MRB will probably be banned in the next list though. Breaker is back (w00t) and Snatch is banned (w00t). Wow this just keeps getting better and better.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSceptile Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 You seem to be forgetting the one glaring problem with Magician Of Fiath. It is a FLIP effect monster. Even though you get Magician of Faith a turn earlier, you have to wait another turn to get it's effect. That's a big enough problem to slow it down significantly. A majority of the time Faith will get attacked while face-down, prolonging the use of the card to get back even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Dude64 Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 i hate this list, it stinks =[ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarbleZone Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 You seem to be forgetting the one glaring problem with Magician Of Fiath. It is a FLIP effect monster. Even though you get Magician of Faith a turn earlier' date=' you have to wait another turn to get it's effect. That's a big enough problem to slow it down significantly. A majority of the time Faith will get attacked while face-down, prolonging the use of the card to get back even more.[/quote'] I'm not forgetting anything... But what more do you want me to add? MoF is easier to get and works in a pinch, DMoC is stronger and works for longer... MoF is banned and DMoC isn't, maybe because MoF is much more splashable and works with any type of Deck, whereas DMoC doesn't. Not that I agree with it being banned, but it was, because it's a damn good card.DMoC is an awesome card as well, and my favourite Spellcaster, but my only point from the beginning is that one doesn't replace the other. Maybe we should stop this discussion now? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSceptile Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 No no no. Don't even try and use the banlist as an argument. sheet like Dark Armed Dragon and Snipe Hunter aren't banned whereas Tribe Infecting Virus and Metamorphisis are (of course you'd have to ban the CyDra fusions but I digress) DMoC has the ability to have his effect go off not once in a duel like MoF, but multiple times. DMoC should be banned over MoF but hey I don't make the banlist. WheDMoC's effect can go of upperwards of 4+ times a duel. MoF only once, and after that it's useless. DMoC is infintely better than MoF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Also, with Arms Hole, Premature Burial, Dark Dimension Release, and Different Dimension Revival all legal, DMoC is ridiculously abusable. Using a lame banlist like Konami's as an argument is useless, since Konami has no clue how to duel (hence Limited ARA when Demise OTK went out of fashion half a year ago and Limiting Demise would make more sense anyhow, or leaving Dark Armed Dragon at 3 while banning Tribe-Infecting Virus). On that topic, however, Konami rationalized MoF's banning due to the other changes it was making: 1. Monster Reborn at 1 - The fewer cards that can retrieve it for re-use, the better.2. Nobleman of Crossout at 1 - Fewer cards to remove Flip monsters means Flip monsters get stronger (in the same way that Skull Servant gets stronger while Mystic Plasma Zone is on the field).3. Magical Stone Excavation at 2 - Can't have too much spell retrieval, so to increase this, we'll need to get rid of something else.4. Book of Moon at 2 - Has a chance of enabling you to re-use Flip Effects. You know, like the chance of pulling off a 10-card OTK.5. Apprentice Magician at 3 - With this card able to easily fetch MoF and Nobleman down to 1, they needed (or thought they needed) to get rid of the best monster in the Apprentice engine before they could unlimit the now-less-useful Apprentice Magician, even though Apprentice Monarchs were never top tier and any other Apprentice deck was even worse. Summary: DMoC is much more abusable. MoF is slower. Konami just sucks at making banlists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Why does the first page say "effective Sept 1st" ?????? @Wilford: DaD/DMoC are not banned so that people buy PTDN for the cards that make DMoC good, and for DaD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pantherwrestling Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 WTF happened i left the world of ygo for magic for just a year and almost every card i used to own is gone, why are all the best cards being banned?? if you want to be the best duelist you should find ways of stopping cards, no card combo is perfect they all have flaws, this is just messed up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yu-Gi-Oh Fanatic Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 dang now I haft 2 update this sucks but it looks pretty good since monster reborn is back yessssssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Demon Lord Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 Now people will actually learn that Cyber Twin Dragon is 89094823928342043289343x better than some dumbass Cyber End Dragon. Just because Zany-Brainy runs it as his trump card' date=' doesn't mean you should too. Cyber Twin Dragon > Any other card ;) Oh, and uhh NO ONE will run 3 Jinzos... Except for hard core gadgeters... Some people didn't even run the 2. [/quote'] Yeah, I know Cyber Twin is better than Cyber End, but that Cyber End has saved my ass many more times than my Cyber Twin. And you say no one will run 3 Jinzos? Well, I don't know where you're from, but where I am, seemingly everyone who has multiple Jinzos runs all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 Now people will actually learn that Cyber Twin Dragon is 89094823928342043289343x better than some dumbass Cyber End Dragon. Just because Zany-Brainy runs it as his trump card' date=' doesn't mean you should too. Cyber Twin Dragon > Any other card ;) Oh, and uhh NO ONE will run 3 Jinzos... Except for hard core gadgeters... Some people didn't even run the 2. [/quote'] Yeah, I know Cyber Twin is better than Cyber End, but that Cyber End has saved my ass many more times than my Cyber Twin. And you say no one will run 3 Jinzos? Well, I don't know where you're from, but where I am, seemingly everyone who has multiple Jinzos runs all of them. I own three, run 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglewing Posted March 30, 2008 Report Share Posted March 30, 2008 hmmmonster reborn limited :Dcall of the haunted banned :Scrystalbeastzombiemacro decks(monrch,burn)burndark armeddragon turbomagical ex.. dark gaia ...top one on list(my english bad :D) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted March 30, 2008 Report Share Posted March 30, 2008 hmmmonster reborn limited :Dcall of the haunted banned :Scrystalbeastzombiemacro decks(monrch' date='burn)burndark armeddragon turbomagical ex.. dark gaia ...top one on list(my english bad :D)[/quote'] Those decks all suck in this format except for Magical Explosion. And Dark Armed Dragon. Can't believe I misread that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 30, 2008 Report Share Posted March 30, 2008 hmmmonster reborn limited :Dcall of the haunted banned :Scrystalbeastzombiemacro decks(monrch' date='burn)burn[b']dark armeddragon turbo[/b]magical ex.. dark gaia ...top one on list(my english bad :D) Those decks all suck in this format except for Magical Explosion. Did the meta change while I was asleep? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted March 30, 2008 Report Share Posted March 30, 2008 hmmmonster reborn limited :Dcall of the haunted banned :Scrystalbeastzombiemacro decks(monrch' date='burn)burn[b']dark armeddragon turbo[/b]magical ex.. dark gaia ...top one on list(my english bad :D) Those decks all suck in this format except for Magical Explosion. Did the meta change while I was asleep? Oops. I thought that he typed "dark armageddon turbo", so I just kinda disregarded it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutant Monster RAEG-HAPYP Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 I was hoping that Snipe Hunter got banned but at least we get Monster Reborn back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yugiohcandy123 Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 WHY IS MAGIC FAITH GONE ITS SUCH A STUPID CARD EFFECT MONSTER 1 STAR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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