Super Smash Bros Official Thread (Remake)

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It doesn't change my opinion that he sucks. How did he make it past Sonic' date=' Pit and PT? Pt has a wide variety of moves at his disposal, carrying 3 Pokemon that rock and all. Pit's recovery is one of the best in the game, and his B can hit in almost any direction. Sonic's B is great too, it can stop smash attcks in their path. His recovery is also very great.

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Wario is a unique' date=' unorthodox addition to the Smash Bros. series. He is a heavy character, so he is hard to KO, but he has amazing mobility in the air, possessing the third-fastest lateral air movement (behind Yoshi and Jigglypuff), arguably the fastest air speed acceleration, almost no loss of speed when changing direction and with a solid set of aerials to go with it. His air speed combined with his great air dodge (both fast and still moves very fast at the same time) allows him to be a great camper despite his lack of a solid projectile. He can even run out the timer against certain slow characters. However, this requires him to take the percent or stock lead to force the opponent to approach. His fast air speed makes up for his slow dash speed and roll. Some of Wario's moves are laggy, but this is not severe, as Wario's overall attack speed isn't bad, especially on his aerials. Wario is one of the few characters in the game that can punish low lag moves, due to his amazing air mobility, often with dair that is also hard to not get punished with. His recovery is deceptively good when all options are available, thanks to his Wario Bike, Wario Waft, and his aerial movement. On the downside, Wario has situational recovery. This is because if the Wario Bike is used on the ground, he can't recover with it until it is destroyed. Wario Waft has to be charged to give Wario good recovery distance, and Corkscrew is a poor recovery move in general, due its mediocre distance and inability to auto-sweetspot the ledge until near the ending of the move. He thrives on surprise and deception, and he can vary his approaches like few can. One of Wario's most notable attributes is his size, which is rather small for a heavyweight (the smallest), meaning he is not easy to hit (about the same size as Mario, only a tad wider). Wario can crawl, although it is not entirely useful for dodging attacks but good for landing down tilts while approaching the character.

 

Wario boasts one of the best Smash Boosts in the game, which allows him to cover great distances and string together attacks in a relatively short amount of time, often effective after a Chomp at lower percentages. His dacus is also very useful for retrieving tires at a distance that he's bounced off the ground. Other abilities include his ability to juggle with his Up aerial, KO opponents at low percentages with his forward smash or even lower with an almost fully charged Wario Waft which at that point can KO as low as 50% with start-up of only 5 frames, and use Chomp to stop projectiles and interrupt certain moves, many of them powerful, commonly used approaches (e.g. Jigglypuff's Rollout), because Chomp behaves like a grab. Chomp is one of his better moves. It has very fast start-up goes through any spot dodge due its extreme duration, goes through shields because it's a grab and beats any non-disjointed move and non-invincible moves (certain moves makes him take full damage but still grabbing the opponent). It can also be reversed (although it cannot be used to change momentum). It can also be used to eat items, and explosives makes him take slight damage, but also creates a hitbox that deals decent damage with fairly high knockback. His Wario Bike, when thrown at an enemy, is the only projectile in the game that can spike (with the exception of the pitfall item), and it is quite large. Because of his limited KO moves he should not use them too much for racking up damage (although they are all very good KO moves when fresh). He has also very good grab game: his forward throw does 13% damage and also KOs lightweights in the edge at about 150% if they have good Directional Influence. Also, he can chain grab with down throw on several characters until high percentages.

 

He only has a few main problems. For one, Wario has poor range on his attacks (except his jab, his grab and more noticeable, his Forward Tilt), especially in his smashes. This is compensated for by his unpredictable and fast approach, and the fact that attacking his motorcycle breaks it up to yield temporary projectiles, which, with his glide toss (and the unusual bouncing properties of the wheels), make up for his poor range which is not a big problem unless the opponent has long range, priority and speed like Marth. Another problem, though minor, he has poor get up rolls and a poor get-up attack, making him fairly easy to tech-chase him when he's on the ground. Another problem would be that his unusual jump break animation coming out of a grab leaves him extremely vulnerable to attacks and infinite grab releases; however, to compensate that lag, his dominantly aerial fighting style makes him one of the most difficult characters to grab due to characters being completely safe from grabs in midair. While these issues aren't overly crippling, and not all characters have a grab release option against Wario, including Meta Knight and many of those with one who have trouble grabbing Wario, a Wario has to stay very deceptive and slippery to avoid getting nailed by his poor range and getting grabbed by those who have a grab release option on him. [/quote']

 

Anything else?

[Archbaron Larry]

I wonder when Yoshi will become a top tier character....

Although he is my best' date=' I don't even know if he'll ever be :(

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At least he is top tier in the Tier Fs right?

 

Yeah, probably. :D

But he is the most useful for me, believe it or not. He's is good for barraging your opponent with attacks, which is my technique in the game (not a good one though.) Suprisingly, even with a terrible fighting style like that, I can still take down a team of lvl 9s.

[Lonk]

I wonder when Yoshi will become a top tier character....

Although he is my best' date=' I don't even know if he'll ever be :(

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At least he is top tier in the Tier Fs right?

 

Yeah, probably. :D

But he is the most useful for me, believe it or not. He's is good for barraging your opponent with attacks, which is my technique in the game (not a good one though.) Suprisingly, even with a terrible fighting style like that, I can still take down a team of lvl 9s.

 

I know. I am amazing with Yoshi. The reason he is of a lower tier, however, is because he needs experienced players to use properly, am I right? Compared to characters like let's say Snake (Obviously a broken character) or Meta-Knight (Broken Special), or to even someone like Pikachu (Spammahs = Winners).

[Archbaron Larry]

I wonder when Yoshi will become a top tier character....

Although he is my best' date=' I don't even know if he'll ever be :(

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At least he is top tier in the Tier Fs right?

 

Yeah, probably. :D

But he is the most useful for me, believe it or not. He's is good for barraging your opponent with attacks, which is my technique in the game (not a good one though.) Suprisingly, even with a terrible fighting style like that, I can still take down a team of lvl 9s.

 

I know. I am amazing with Yoshi. The reason he is of a lower tier, however, is because he needs experienced players to use properly, am I right? Compared to characters like let's say Snake (Obviously a broken character) or Meta-Knight (Broken Special), or to even someone like Pikachu (Spammahs = Winners).

Pikachu definately. His down B attack is one of the most dangerous attacks in the game.

 

Now Kirby...

[Lonk]

I wonder when Yoshi will become a top tier character....

Although he is my best' date=' I don't even know if he'll ever be :(

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At least he is top tier in the Tier Fs right?

 

Yeah, probably. :D

But he is the most useful for me, believe it or not. He's is good for barraging your opponent with attacks, which is my technique in the game (not a good one though.) Suprisingly, even with a terrible fighting style like that, I can still take down a team of lvl 9s.

 

I know. I am amazing with Yoshi. The reason he is of a lower tier, however, is because he needs experienced players to use properly, am I right? Compared to characters like let's say Snake (Obviously a broken character) or Meta-Knight (Broken Special), or to even someone like Pikachu (Spammahs = Winners).

Pikachu definately. His down B attack is one of the most dangerous attacks in the game.

 

Now Kirby...

 

Kirby is too versatile. Practically anyone can use him. He doesn't require skill to play.

[Archbaron Larry]

I wonder when Yoshi will become a top tier character....

Although he is my best' date=' I don't even know if he'll ever be :(

[/quote']

 

At least he is top tier in the Tier Fs right?

 

Yeah, probably. :D

But he is the most useful for me, believe it or not. He's is good for barraging your opponent with attacks, which is my technique in the game (not a good one though.) Suprisingly, even with a terrible fighting style like that, I can still take down a team of lvl 9s.

 

I know. I am amazing with Yoshi. The reason he is of a lower tier, however, is because he needs experienced players to use properly, am I right? Compared to characters like let's say Snake (Obviously a broken character) or Meta-Knight (Broken Special), or to even someone like Pikachu (Spammahs = Winners).

Pikachu definately. His down B attack is one of the most dangerous attacks in the game.

 

Now Kirby...

 

Kirby is too versatile. Practically anyone can use him. He doesn't require skill to play.

 

True. It is really easy to be cheap with Kirby.

[Lonk]

I wonder when Yoshi will become a top tier character....

Although he is my best' date=' I don't even know if he'll ever be :(

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At least he is top tier in the Tier Fs right?

 

Yeah, probably. :D

But he is the most useful for me, believe it or not. He's is good for barraging your opponent with attacks, which is my technique in the game (not a good one though.) Suprisingly, even with a terrible fighting style like that, I can still take down a team of lvl 9s.

 

I know. I am amazing with Yoshi. The reason he is of a lower tier, however, is because he needs experienced players to use properly, am I right? Compared to characters like let's say Snake (Obviously a broken character) or Meta-Knight (Broken Special), or to even someone like Pikachu (Spammahs = Winners).

Pikachu definately. His down B attack is one of the most dangerous attacks in the game.

 

Now Kirby...

 

Kirby is too versatile. Practically anyone can use him. He doesn't require skill to play.

 

True. It is really easy to be cheap with Kirby.

 

Anyone can just go up in the air and use his b-down special. It is strong, and it sets up powerful plays.

 

Now about Yoshi. The game says he has weak mid-air attacks and he is not reccommended for beginers. Yoshi's midair attacks are strong. He has a powerful spike, and can easily barrage his enemies with his flutter kick. He isn't used often because he lacks a 3rd jump.

[Archbaron Larry]

I wonder when Yoshi will become a top tier character....

Although he is my best' date=' I don't even know if he'll ever be :(

[/quote']

 

At least he is top tier in the Tier Fs right?

 

Yeah, probably. :D

But he is the most useful for me, believe it or not. He's is good for barraging your opponent with attacks, which is my technique in the game (not a good one though.) Suprisingly, even with a terrible fighting style like that, I can still take down a team of lvl 9s.

 

I know. I am amazing with Yoshi. The reason he is of a lower tier, however, is because he needs experienced players to use properly, am I right? Compared to characters like let's say Snake (Obviously a broken character) or Meta-Knight (Broken Special), or to even someone like Pikachu (Spammahs = Winners).

Pikachu definately. His down B attack is one of the most dangerous attacks in the game.

 

Now Kirby...

 

Kirby is too versatile. Practically anyone can use him. He doesn't require skill to play.

 

True. It is really easy to be cheap with Kirby.

 

Anyone can just go up in the air and use his b-down special. It is strong, and it sets up powerful plays.

 

Now about Yoshi. The game says he has weak mid-air attacks and he is not reccommended for beginers. Yoshi's midair attacks are strong. He has a powerful spike, and can easily barrage his enemies with his flutter kick. He isn't used often because he lacks a 3rd jump.

 

I agree. His midair and down B store lots of power. Also if you do a down A while in midair, he does a rapid-kickthing. This attack is good for building up damage. However, Yoshi's side B is the attack that is most useful for me.

[Lonk]

I wonder when Yoshi will become a top tier character....

Although he is my best' date=' I don't even know if he'll ever be :(

[/quote']

 

At least he is top tier in the Tier Fs right?

 

Yeah, probably. :D

But he is the most useful for me, believe it or not. He's is good for barraging your opponent with attacks, which is my technique in the game (not a good one though.) Suprisingly, even with a terrible fighting style like that, I can still take down a team of lvl 9s.

 

I know. I am amazing with Yoshi. The reason he is of a lower tier, however, is because he needs experienced players to use properly, am I right? Compared to characters like let's say Snake (Obviously a broken character) or Meta-Knight (Broken Special), or to even someone like Pikachu (Spammahs = Winners).

Pikachu definately. His down B attack is one of the most dangerous attacks in the game.

 

Now Kirby...

 

Kirby is too versatile. Practically anyone can use him. He doesn't require skill to play.

 

True. It is really easy to be cheap with Kirby.

 

Anyone can just go up in the air and use his b-down special. It is strong, and it sets up powerful plays.

 

Now about Yoshi. The game says he has weak mid-air attacks and he is not reccommended for beginers. Yoshi's midair attacks are strong. He has a powerful spike, and can easily barrage his enemies with his flutter kick. He isn't used often because he lacks a 3rd jump.

 

I agree. His midair and down B store lots of power. Also if you do a down A while in midair, he does a rapid-kickthing. This attack is good for building up damage. However, Yoshi's side B is the attack that is most useful for me.

 

His side special can easily clear the field of opponents. If you hold B while doing the eggroll, you inflict even more damage.

[VampYoshi101]

I LOVE Super Smash Bros Brawl!!!!!

[Archbaron Larry]

I wonder when Yoshi will become a top tier character....

Although he is my best' date=' I don't even know if he'll ever be :(

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At least he is top tier in the Tier Fs right?

 

Yeah, probably. :D

But he is the most useful for me, believe it or not. He's is good for barraging your opponent with attacks, which is my technique in the game (not a good one though.) Suprisingly, even with a terrible fighting style like that, I can still take down a team of lvl 9s.

 

I know. I am amazing with Yoshi. The reason he is of a lower tier, however, is because he needs experienced players to use properly, am I right? Compared to characters like let's say Snake (Obviously a broken character) or Meta-Knight (Broken Special), or to even someone like Pikachu (Spammahs = Winners).

Pikachu definately. His down B attack is one of the most dangerous attacks in the game.

 

Now Kirby...

 

Kirby is too versatile. Practically anyone can use him. He doesn't require skill to play.

 

True. It is really easy to be cheap with Kirby.

 

Anyone can just go up in the air and use his b-down special. It is strong, and it sets up powerful plays.

 

Now about Yoshi. The game says he has weak mid-air attacks and he is not reccommended for beginers. Yoshi's midair attacks are strong. He has a powerful spike, and can easily barrage his enemies with his flutter kick. He isn't used often because he lacks a 3rd jump.

 

I agree. His midair and down B store lots of power. Also if you do a down A while in midair, he does a rapid-kickthing. This attack is good for building up damage. However, Yoshi's side B is the attack that is most useful for me.

 

His side special can easily clear the field of opponents. If you hold B while doing the eggroll, you inflict even more damage.

 

Holding B while the eggroll attack deals more damage? I never knew that.

 

What about Yoshi's rank in final smashes? I love Yoshi's final smash. It's a lot better than Sonic and Pikachu's because their smashes are too fast and hard to control. Besides, Yoshi's can shoot. :D

 

W00T!!!! This post brings me to 4 Stars!!!

[Lonk]

I wonder when Yoshi will become a top tier character....

Although he is my best' date=' I don't even know if he'll ever be :(

[/quote']

 

At least he is top tier in the Tier Fs right?

 

Yeah, probably. :D

But he is the most useful for me, believe it or not. He's is good for barraging your opponent with attacks, which is my technique in the game (not a good one though.) Suprisingly, even with a terrible fighting style like that, I can still take down a team of lvl 9s.

 

I know. I am amazing with Yoshi. The reason he is of a lower tier, however, is because he needs experienced players to use properly, am I right? Compared to characters like let's say Snake (Obviously a broken character) or Meta-Knight (Broken Special), or to even someone like Pikachu (Spammahs = Winners).

Pikachu definately. His down B attack is one of the most dangerous attacks in the game.

 

Now Kirby...

 

Kirby is too versatile. Practically anyone can use him. He doesn't require skill to play.

 

True. It is really easy to be cheap with Kirby.

 

Anyone can just go up in the air and use his b-down special. It is strong, and it sets up powerful plays.

 

Now about Yoshi. The game says he has weak mid-air attacks and he is not reccommended for beginers. Yoshi's midair attacks are strong. He has a powerful spike, and can easily barrage his enemies with his flutter kick. He isn't used often because he lacks a 3rd jump.

 

I agree. His midair and down B store lots of power. Also if you do a down A while in midair, he does a rapid-kickthing. This attack is good for building up damage. However, Yoshi's side B is the attack that is most useful for me.

 

His side special can easily clear the field of opponents. If you hold B while doing the eggroll, you inflict even more damage.

 

Holding B while the eggroll attack deals more damage? I never knew that.

 

What about Yoshi's rank in final smashes? I love Yoshi's final smash. It's a lot better than Sonic and Pikachu's because their smashes are too fast and hard to control. Besides, Yoshi's can shoot. :D

 

W00T!!!! This post brings me to 4 Stars!!!

 

Yoshi's Final Smash is amazing. He does more than any other Final Smash. It is balanced as well while sonic's is, well.

 

Congratz!

[Archbaron Larry]

Yeah, when I perform his Smash, I usually get 1 or 2 kills. Sonic's you have to run into the opponent to hurt them, and it doesn't last as long as Yoshi's.

 

It's kinda strange how Final Smashes vary in awesomeness and faliure.

 

Like comparing Yoshi's to Donkey Kong's (in my opinion worst smash in the game.)

 

EDIT: ROB's Smash is annoying, although it doesn't get many kills. It just lasts so freakin' long!

[~Kip~]

Yeah' date=' when I perform his Smash, I usually get 1 or 2 kills. Sonic's you have to run into the opponent to hurt them, and it doesn't last as long as Yoshi's.

 

It's kinda strange how Final Smashes vary in awesomeness and faliure.

 

Like comparing Yoshi's to Donkey Kong's (in my opinion worst smash in the game.)

 

EDIT: ROB's Smash is annoying, although it doesn't get many kills. It just lasts so freakin' long!

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strange because I almost always knock out everybody with Sonic.

 

Yes, they do.

 

Donkey Kong's Final Smash is only good for people who have good timing and skill. Another is Jigglypuff, which his special is only good on a small stage. I mean, all you have to do is move away from him while he's growing.

 

I agree Rob can get annoying with his special. although Pit's special is almost as annoying. You go to do a smash attack, fully charged on him, and if he uses it, it goes right through him. WTF.

[-Genesis-]

Can I join?

 

I have SSBB and Wii WiFi and I can give my FC if you want.

[Jake the Sage]

Can I join?

 

I have SSBB and Wii WiFi and I can give my FC if you want.

 

Same here, if I already haven't joined ^^;

[Jake the Sage]

[Lonk]

I wonder if there is anything about bowser to discuss:?

 

Well, he has a good recovery move for a super-heavyweight.

[-Genesis-]

The recovery is only horozontal though not verticle. In my opinion the best recovery other than Pit's is Snake's. So who're your top 3 characters?

[Archbaron Larry]

The recovery is only horozontal though not verticle. In my opinion the best recovery other than Pit's is Snake's. So who're your top 3 characters?

 

For me probably Yoshi' date=' Sheik, and Link.

 

 

 

I wonder if there is anything about bowser to discuss:?

 

Well, he has a good recovery move for a super-heavyweight.

 

My brother is good with him but I think he sucks. When someone askes me who I think the three worst characters are, I usually say Ganondorf, Mario, and Bowser.

[Flame Dragon]

Can I join?

 

I have SSBB and Wii WiFi and I can give my FC if you want.

 

Same here' date=' if I already haven't joined ^^;

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This isn't a club so you really can't join. You are free to give you FC and I'll add it to the list.

 

The recovery is only horozontal though not verticle. In my opinion the best recovery other than Pit's is Snake's. So who're your top 3 characters?

Meta Knight has the best in the game. Pit and Snake are up their as is Wario.

 

My 3 best are

1) PT (Best pokemon changes . Some times I'm good with one, other times all of them)

2) Sheik (oddly enough she use to be one of my worse)

3) Mostly every one else. At one time or another I played the other characters well and I still can play them decently. ATM Pika and Toon Link are two my better ones.

[-Genesis-]

My FC is 4040-0124-4585.

 

And my top three are Sheik/Zelda, Falco, and Marth.

 

Also Flame if you want to I'm on Brawl now. Give me your FC and I'll set up a battle for us.

[Jake the Sage]

Meta Knight, Fox and Sonic the Hedgehog are my top three.

 

And yes I would agree Snake and Pit have the best recoveries. HOWEVER . . . Yoshi, Kirby and Meta Knight all can short of "fly" so it is harder to knock them out.

[Flame Dragon]

My FC is 4040-0124-4585.

 

And my top three are Sheik/Zelda' date=' Falco, and Marth.

 

Also Flame if you want to I'm on Brawl now. Give me your FC and I'll set up a battle for us.

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My Wii isn't set up ATM. Plus it has problems reading Brawl so I can't really play. Yea, it sucks.

 

Meta Knight' date=' Fox and Sonic the Hedgehog are my top three.

 

And yes I would agree Snake and Pit have the best recoveries. HOWEVER . . . Yoshi, Kirby and Meta Knight all can short of "fly" so it is harder to knock them out.

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Yoshi flots more then flys.

 

MK can also use any of his B moves to recover, one of which puts him in his glide.

 

Also fun fact about Snakes ^B. If you grab him out of it he can't use it again meaning he needs to use a C4 on himself if he's to stay alive.

[Jake the Sage]

True, but I have never really seen someone who can use Snake well. In fact I wonder why they even put him in there- he SUCKS!