My Six Samurai. First post will get rep.

[Saiyan Knight]

Mask of restrict is better than pulling the rug. Rug will only stop 1 monarch coming down while mask shut them down completely.

 

Dust tornado is still a better choice than kamon.

 

Anti-spell is good vs. tele-dad. You just can't admit it because it's not your idea. Dad's atk isn't a problem you have many cards to deal with this.

 

You seem to have a problem with the samurais in my build I just took out a zanji for an irou and 1 yaichi for 1 nisashi. As I've stated for the 2 shien he could easily replace an enishi for 1 more when he gets it. It's just that for the moment he only has 2 shien so that's why I suggested that. I gave him some options and what you're doing is just blindly saying it's bad because you didn't come up with them. You know if I wanted I could easily point out some flaws in the choices you've made.

 

Dark Insectivore just test both build and go with the one you're the most successful with. (Test the side decks seperatly meaning you could end up with saiyan's deck and my side deck)

 

(And now I'm just waiting for saiyan knight to come and say: yeah test both and you'll end up with my deck and my side deck because they are superior because i made them because i'm the best...)

Well' date=' if you're waiting for those exact words, you'll be here a while. I'm not the best, but I'm sure as funk better than you.

 

Pulling the Rug is better because it actually eliminates the problem, instead of extending the wait time for the Monarch drop. Also, Pulling the Rug is a +1 because it costs them their tributed monster and their Monarch, as well as wasting their Normal Summon. That robs them of tempo as well as card advantage. They're both just as susceptible to Heavy Storm, but one being a Spell Speed 3 that eliminates the opponent's monsters from the equation altogether is vastly superior.

 

Kamon is better than Dust Tornado. It's an auto +1 that potentially leads to a 2100 and a 2500. Also, you don't have to wait a turn if it's in your hand and the opponent's threat is already on the field. Not to mention that it can hit monsters or directly as a 1500 when there's nothing for it to pop. On top of that, it's searchable. A faster, searchable, combo-starting card that doubles as an attacker and gives free effects is always better than a one-trick-pony.

 

Anti-Spell is terrible against Tele-DAD, for the reasons mentioned. Also, it's a terrible top-deck.

 

Also, the Samurai [the plural for "Samurai" is "Samurai", not "Samurais". That's why they're the "Six Samurai", not the "Six Samurais". But I digress.'] count in your deck is something I have a problem with. Irou can be run over by Stratos and Laquari, where Zanji forces a tie if they want to touch it in battle. This is huge. On top of that, it has a more useful effect. Not to mention that keeping Backrow off Shien and Grandmaster's asses is important, and Yaichi is basically a personalized bomb-squad for that. Nisashi is too weak to do anything in battle and doesn't have an effect to make up for it. It's completely useless against Tele-DAD and Gladiators.

 

The idea isn't to give him options, it's to fix his deck. I can tell him to run dumb sheet he probably already has too, but that won't optimize the deck's performance. Why shoot for sub-standard when you're already sub-standard? He should be driving forward to improvement, not making a right turn at settling for what he has now. Trading and eBay exist for a reason.

 

I'm not saying it's bad because I didn't think of it, I'm saying it's bad because it's realistically and theoretically useless against the top decks of the meta. That's all there is to it. A card can have potential out it's ass, but if it can't hurt a tier 1 deck, there's no point in running it. To be honest, I stick with Six Samurai as hard as I do because they're my favorite and I still believe I can further maximize their potential more than I have over the last 2 years and some odd months. I do like to think I've been running them the longest, but that isn't swaying my opinions or advice. I'm speaking from experience with the deck type, experience against Tele-DAD and Gladiators, and full knowledge of how the deck-type in question operates.

 

Now, if you have a sarcastic response to this as you did the end of your last post, please, try to precede it with something other than your misguided, "you're just pissed you're not original" opinion and back up your statements with something legitimate and proven. I'm really tired of textually beating you over the head for sounding like an idiot.

 

Side Deck: 15

2x Dragonic Knight

1x The Six Samurai - Kamon

3x Black Horn of Heaven

3x Compulsory Evacuation Device

2x Divine Wrath

2x Light-Imprisoning Mirror

2x Pulling the Rug

 

Compulsory over PWWB?

 

Before i flame im asking because you obv have a reason for it

Well' date=' basically, it does the same thing to Synchro monsters as PWWB, but it's free. Also, PWWB and Compulsory Evacuation Device both make Dark Armed unable to be resummoned that turn, if and when they call priority, but you're losing two cards from field, assuming they target a different card than your Compulsory, instead of three with PWWB [discard, PWWB, and targeted card']. Both are still poor answers to Dark Armed, but at least one's free. And as far as Gladiator Beasts are concerned? Well, they both hit Gyzarus the same, and it basically forces a 1-for-1 out of their hand against Heraklinos. The little Gladiators are off the field and you can go on to summon more Six Samurai in their absence, without using a -2. I know some people say it balances because they don't draw, but that just makes it a delayed -2. and a -1 from the bat.

 

Basically, the short answer is that it's a very similar effect for no cost.

 

Excellent reasoning my good sir.

 

One would just like to comment on the inclusion of six samurai also extents to most decks. Would one extend the same advice to gladiator beasts decks which run PWWB?

Yes, absolutely. I would recommend it to many many deck types. Perhaps not Dark Armed, because discarding the Malicious and adding Darks to the Graveyard is favorable, but nearly every other deck appreciates not having the cost around.

[JesusofChaos™]

Side Deck: 15

2x Dragonic Knight

1x The Six Samurai - Kamon

3x Black Horn of Heaven

3x Compulsory Evacuation Device

2x Divine Wrath

2x Light-Imprisoning Mirror

2x Pulling the Rug

 

Compulsory over PWWB?

 

Before i flame im asking because you obv have a reason for it

Well' date=' basically, it does the same thing to Synchro monsters as PWWB, but it's free. Also, PWWB and Compulsory Evacuation Device both make Dark Armed unable to be resummoned that turn, if and when they call priority, but you're losing two cards from field, assuming they target a different card than your Compulsory, instead of three with PWWB [discard, PWWB, and targeted card']. Both are still poor answers to Dark Armed, but at least one's free. And as far as Gladiator Beasts are concerned? Well, they both hit Gyzarus the same, and it basically forces a 1-for-1 out of their hand against Heraklinos. The little Gladiators are off the field and you can go on to summon more Six Samurai in their absence, without using a -2. I know some people say it balances because they don't draw, but that just makes it a delayed -2. and a -1 from the bat.

 

Basically, the short answer is that it's a very similar effect for no cost.

 

Excellent reasoning my good sir.

 

One would just like to comment on the inclusion of six samurai also extents to most decks. Would one extend the same advice to gladiator beasts decks which run PWWB?

Yes, absolutely. I would recommend it to many many deck types. Perhaps not Dark Armed, because discarding the Malicious and adding Darks to the Graveyard is favorable, but nearly every other deck appreciates not having the cost around.

 

excellent deduction my good sir. Furthermore isnt a bestari in the grave better than a bestari in the hand. Although i do digress that i agree with you on the terms on CEDe. On terms could u reasonably main deck CEDe and side PWWB so if such a deck arises that benefits from having more hand advantage such as dark world and six sams then these can be sided out for a card which more severly hinders the afore mentioned deck types

[Saiyan Knight]

Side Deck: 15

2x Dragonic Knight

1x The Six Samurai - Kamon

3x Black Horn of Heaven

3x Compulsory Evacuation Device

2x Divine Wrath

2x Light-Imprisoning Mirror

2x Pulling the Rug

 

Compulsory over PWWB?

 

Before i flame im asking because you obv have a reason for it

Well' date=' basically, it does the same thing to Synchro monsters as PWWB, but it's free. Also, PWWB and Compulsory Evacuation Device both make Dark Armed unable to be resummoned that turn, if and when they call priority, but you're losing two cards from field, assuming they target a different card than your Compulsory, instead of three with PWWB [discard, PWWB, and targeted card']. Both are still poor answers to Dark Armed, but at least one's free. And as far as Gladiator Beasts are concerned? Well, they both hit Gyzarus the same, and it basically forces a 1-for-1 out of their hand against Heraklinos. The little Gladiators are off the field and you can go on to summon more Six Samurai in their absence, without using a -2. I know some people say it balances because they don't draw, but that just makes it a delayed -2. and a -1 from the bat.

 

Basically, the short answer is that it's a very similar effect for no cost.

 

Excellent reasoning my good sir.

 

One would just like to comment on the inclusion of six samurai also extents to most decks. Would one extend the same advice to gladiator beasts decks which run PWWB?

Yes, absolutely. I would recommend it to many many deck types. Perhaps not Dark Armed, because discarding the Malicious and adding Darks to the Graveyard is favorable, but nearly every other deck appreciates not having the cost around.

 

excellent deduction my good sir. Furthermore isnt a bestari in the grave better than a bestari in the hand. Although i do digress that i agree with you on the terms on CEDe. On terms could u reasonably main deck CEDe and side PWWB so if such a deck arises that benefits from having more hand advantage such as dark world and six sams then these can be sided out for a card which more severly hinders the afore mentioned deck types

Hmm, quite possibly! I would say that it's more of a judgment call based on the meta you play in, but for Shonen and up, I would think not, just because you wouldn't see Dark World or Samurai in the Top16. I personally wouldn't, but it's certainly something you could consider if you know for a fact that the players at the Shonen in your area [mostly true for the far south] aren't going to have Tele-DAD or Gladiators and expect a more diverse Top layout.

[JesusofChaos™]

Side Deck: 15

2x Dragonic Knight

1x The Six Samurai - Kamon

3x Black Horn of Heaven

3x Compulsory Evacuation Device

2x Divine Wrath

2x Light-Imprisoning Mirror

2x Pulling the Rug

 

Compulsory over PWWB?

 

Before i flame im asking because you obv have a reason for it

Well' date=' basically, it does the same thing to Synchro monsters as PWWB, but it's free. Also, PWWB and Compulsory Evacuation Device both make Dark Armed unable to be resummoned that turn, if and when they call priority, but you're losing two cards from field, assuming they target a different card than your Compulsory, instead of three with PWWB [discard, PWWB, and targeted card']. Both are still poor answers to Dark Armed, but at least one's free. And as far as Gladiator Beasts are concerned? Well, they both hit Gyzarus the same, and it basically forces a 1-for-1 out of their hand against Heraklinos. The little Gladiators are off the field and you can go on to summon more Six Samurai in their absence, without using a -2. I know some people say it balances because they don't draw, but that just makes it a delayed -2. and a -1 from the bat.

 

Basically, the short answer is that it's a very similar effect for no cost.

 

Excellent reasoning my good sir.

 

One would just like to comment on the inclusion of six samurai also extents to most decks. Would one extend the same advice to gladiator beasts decks which run PWWB?

Yes, absolutely. I would recommend it to many many deck types. Perhaps not Dark Armed, because discarding the Malicious and adding Darks to the Graveyard is favorable, but nearly every other deck appreciates not having the cost around.

 

excellent deduction my good sir. Furthermore isnt a bestari in the grave better than a bestari in the hand. Although i do digress that i agree with you on the terms on CEDe. On terms could u reasonably main deck CEDe and side PWWB so if such a deck arises that benefits from having more hand advantage such as dark world and six sams then these can be sided out for a card which more severly hinders the afore mentioned deck types

Hmm, quite possibly! I would say that it's more of a judgment call based on the meta you play in, but for Shonen and up, I would think not, just because you wouldn't see Dark World or Samurai in the Top16. I personally wouldn't, but it's certainly something you could consider if you know for a fact that the players at the Shonen in your area [mostly true for the far south] aren't going to have Tele-DAD or Gladiators and expect a more diverse Top layout.

 

Agreed, local meta is almost more varied so a side deck must adjust for the occassion. At shonen jump level most of the top decks are known and you can prepare accordingly

[Dark Insectivore]

Thannks, guys, i really needed the help, and i see what you mean Android. I will test your build for now, but then i will switch to testing Saiyan's. Then i will stick whichever is better. Thanks!

[The Dark One]

Now now Saiyan Knight, don't go dissing the pen-and-paper players. A good portion of the ones that reside here could whip the sheet out of your ass.

 

Also, lol at Psycho Shocker Android saying that Hand is bad in Six Samurai. That's much akin to saying that Dark Armed Dragon is bad in a DAD deck. The purpose of the card is to clear the field for damage as well as getting rid of troublesome monsters. That's what monsters with destruction effects are for. Do you think Gyzarus is bad? How about DAD? Judgment Dragon?

[Tekken Ham]

Now now Saiyan Knight' date=' don't go dissing the pen-and-paper players. A good portion of the ones that reside here could whip the s*** out of your ass.

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With their imaginary decks right?

[Saiyan Knight]

Now now Saiyan Knight' date=' don't go dissing the pen-and-paper players. A good portion of the ones that reside here could whip the s*** out of your ass.

 

Also, lol at Psycho Shocker Android saying that Hand is bad in Six Samurai. That's much akin to saying that Dark Armed Dragon is bad in a DAD deck. The purpose of the card is to clear the field for damage as well as getting rid of troublesome monsters. That's what monsters with destruction effects are for. Do you think Gyzarus is bad? How about DAD? Judgment Dragon?

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That first part sounds like a challenge... How would they even play me without cards? Write on note cards and shuffle them?

[Tekken Ham]

That won't work Beau, the notecards are pointy and don't shuffle well, I've tried.

[The Dark One]

Lol, fine. Computer screen and YVD/Gameking players.

 

Happy?

[Saiyan Knight]

Well, I'm not so sure, but okay. =/

[Dark Insectivore]

I do not know what the hell you were just talking about was, but would you kindly stop spamming up my thread?

[Saiyan Knight]

Sorry about that, OP. The point is that the Samurai deck I suggested is more suitable, but have fun testing.

 

That'll be my lost post on the matter.

[Dark Insectivore]

@Saiyan: Thanks for the deck list. I've managed to pull all the cards you told me to get and I came second in my local tourney:D. Got beaten by 1 person: Glen, who was running GLADIATOR BEASTS!

[Saiyan Knight]

@Saiyan: Thanks for the deck list. I've managed to pull all the cards you told me to get and I came second in my local tourney:D. Got beaten by 1 person: Glen' date=' who was running GLADIATOR BEASTS!

 

Well then the new question is what did you side in and take out that game against him, and which side-deck cards were the most helpful that day? Which did you not use?

[Dark Insectivore]

True. Well, i put in my 2 Divine Wraths and 2 CED.

[Saiyan Knight]

Oh, really? I would have used the Black Horns too.

Or did you not find any to use?

[Dark Insectivore]

No, i didn't manage to pull them until the end of the tournament.