JesusofChaos™ Posted September 6, 2008 Report Share Posted September 6, 2008 There are basically 2 different ways to Special Summon a monster. 1. The built-in 'this is how you Special Summon me' type way.2. Via an 'outside' effect or an effect that uses the chain. "Solemn Judgment" can be used against #1 all day long. This category of Special Summon does not use the chain in any way and it pretty much just like a Normal or Tribute Summon in that you just put the monster on the field after performing any tributes or whatnot if necessary. Cards included in this category are, but not limited to: "Cyber Dragon""Chaos Sorcerer""The Fiend Megacyber""The Grandmaster of the Six Samurai""Great Shogun Shien""Destiny Hero - Plasma""Dark Armed Dragon""Rainbow Dragon"and the list goes on and on and on... "Solemn Judgment" can be used against #2 but only if the effect trying to perform the Special Summon is a Spell or a Trap Card. This is because "Solemn Judgment" cannot be used against monster effects. This category of Special Summon uses the chain. The monster is being Special Summoned during the resolution of the effect. Since it is during the resolution of an effect, that means you cannot manually activate anything until that effect resolves. By the time the effect is done resolving, the Special Summon is completed and successful, so you aren't able to negate it anymore. So, the only way to stop this type of Special Summon is to stop the effect that is trying to perform that Special Summon. And that's what "Solemn Judgment" can do. You can chain it to the activation of the Spell/Trap card and negate its activation, which, by default, stops the Special Summon from happening. Cards in this category are, but not limited to: "Monster Reborn""Premature Burial""Call of the Haunted""Return from the Different Dimension""Treeborn Frog""Vampire Lord""Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys""Green Baboon, Defender of the Forest""Van'dalgyon the Dark Dragon Lord"Any Ritual Spell CardAny Fusion Spell Cardand the list goes on and on... So, if you want to negate a Special Summon with "Solemn Judgment", the first thing you need to ask yourself is...does this use the chain? If the answer is no, then you should be fine to use "Solemn Judgment". If the answer is yes, then you need to see what effect is trying to perform the Special Summon. If it is a Spell/Trap, then you should be fine to use "Solemn Judgment". If it is a Monster, then you cannot use "Solemn Judgment". So, the reason why you cannot use "Solemn Judgment" against "Vampire Lord" or "Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys" is because their effect to Special Summon themselves starts a chain. Since it starts a chain, and it is a Monster Effect, "Solemn Judgment" is powerless to stop it. I did not write this, this was written by skey23 on the UDE forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abstract [Atrocity] Posted September 6, 2008 Report Share Posted September 6, 2008 So, you basically can't negate Phoenix, Baboon, Van'dalgyon with Solemn,m or liek a monster summoned by ZM/, Lumina, Gigaplant?I sorta knew this but wasn't sure til now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted September 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2008 Yep, also monster SS by maurading captain cant be solemned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tickle Me Emo Posted September 6, 2008 Report Share Posted September 6, 2008 Does this mean you cant solemn a Glad Tag? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kale Posted September 6, 2008 Report Share Posted September 6, 2008 Does this mean you cant solemn a Glad Tag? lol, that makes them even better. XD something at the back of my mind always said this was true, what was written in post one, but it was never reaffirmed anywhere... so i already sort of knew this. ^_^ thanks for writing it... The n00bs are thinking right now "Whats a chain...?" or they are thinking "What's Solemn Judgment...?" XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tickle Me Emo Posted September 6, 2008 Report Share Posted September 6, 2008 So them what Im getting from this is you cannot solemn a tag, a contact and Test Tiger correct? Tags are effects and are resolving when the monster hits the field. Contacts, like tags, are effects that are resolving when the monster hits the field. Im not sure on this one but I think test is also an effect still resolving when it hits the field. am i correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axiom_Nor Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 Thx for clearing that up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
「tea.leaf」 Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 This is major fail for Solemn. Looks like God isn't omnipotent after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 ^^ I thought it was King Solomon. Lol. This is good news indeed. Comrade Josh will like this. Basically, its the same reason you can't Solemn Demise, you have to solemn ARA or EotW, except the chain is started by monster effects in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
「tea.leaf」 Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 ^^ I thought it was King Solomon. Lol. This is good news indeed. Comrade Josh will like this. Basically' date=' its the same reason you can't Solemn Demise, you have to solemn ARA or EotW, except the chain is started by monster effects in this case.[/quote'] Solemn Judgment's original name was Declaration of God. Wait... Divine Wrath is Wrath of God. Okay, God officially sucks for being more than one card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 ^^ I thought it was King Solomon. Lol. This is good news indeed. Comrade Josh will like this. Basically' date=' its the same reason you can't Solemn Demise, you have to solemn ARA or EotW, except the chain is started by monster effects in this case.[/quote'] Solemn Judgment's original name was Declaration of God. Wait... Divine Wrath is Wrath of God. Okay, God officially sucks for being more than one card. What are you talking about? Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon is clearly just one card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
「tea.leaf」 Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 ^^ I thought it was King Solomon. Lol. This is good news indeed. Comrade Josh will like this. Basically' date=' its the same reason you can't Solemn Demise, you have to solemn ARA or EotW, except the chain is started by monster effects in this case.[/quote'] Solemn Judgment's original name was Declaration of God. Wait... Divine Wrath is Wrath of God. Okay, God officially sucks for being more than one card. What are you talking about? Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon is clearly just one card. No, he's three, you see. They need to make Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon into card, that does this: This card can be Special Summoned by removing from play 1 Dragon-Type monster you control. Once per turn, you can Special Summon 1 Dragon-Type monster except "Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon" from your hand or Graveyard. You can pay half of your Life Points to activate one of the following effects:• Negate the activation or effect of a Spell, Trap, or Monster and destroy it.• Negate the Summon of a Monster and destroy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 ^^ I thought it was King Solomon. Lol. This is good news indeed. Comrade Josh will like this. Basically' date=' its the same reason you can't Solemn Demise, you have to solemn ARA or EotW, except the chain is started by monster effects in this case.[/quote'] Solemn Judgment's original name was Declaration of God. Wait... Divine Wrath is Wrath of God. Okay, God officially sucks for being more than one card. Wait, how does something that does not exist have any affect on a childs card game? Now I'm confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aximil Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 So, I can't Solemn Judgement Spirit of the Flames, Inferno, Gigantis, and monsters like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 You can Solemn Spirit of Flames and Monsters like that. Chaos Sorcerer is just like them. It is in Category 1. Therefore, they can be Solemned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 If the effect of the monster that allows it to Special Summon itself is a Summon effect, then it can be negated by Solemn. If it is something else, like a Trigger effect, then it cannot be negated by Solemn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted September 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 So them what Im getting from this is you cannot solemn a tag' date=' a contact and Test Tiger correct? Tags are effects and are resolving when the monster hits the field. Contacts, like tags, are effects that are resolving when the monster hits the field. Im not sure on this one but I think test is also an effect still resolving when it hits the field. am i correct?[/quote'] You cannot solemn a tag, you can solemn test tigers special summon but not its tag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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