snake101 Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 monsters(20)1x head of exodia1x left arm of exodia1x right arm of exodia1x left leg of exodia1x right leg of exodia2x green gadget2x yellow gadget2x red gadget3x decochi3x cyber phoenix1x cyber dragon1x sangan1x jinzo spell(9)1x heavy storm1x future fusion 1x overload fusion1x mst1x monster reborn3x shrink1x brain control traps(11)3x recklas greeds1x mirror force1x torrential tribute3x pulling the rug3x bottomless trap hole fusions(1)1x chimera teccomments and fixes welcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skuldur Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 one question : how many turns does it take for this deck to win ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake101 Posted August 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 well i haven't played the deck relly but i would guess it wouldn't be many with the gadgets thining the deck and all the draw power plus future fusion if i had to guess 2-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skuldur Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 i would guess 5-6 because the only draw power you have is traps, flip effects or monsters that let you draw when destroyed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake101 Posted August 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 maybe like i said i haven't played it i just thought it would be cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake101 Posted August 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 any other thoughts or ideas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 This is just standard Chimera-Gadgets with the five Exodia pieces randomly thrown in. If you ever do win, it won't be by Exodia; it will be by a lucky Overload Fusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake101 Posted August 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 umm no cuz the deck will get thinned out quickly making it easyer to pull the pieces plus theirs all the draw power and future fusion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 I can see it, but i see it differently. I would focus on the "Destroy all cards effect" of chimera, and deck things like sangan and emissary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake101 Posted August 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 i think this is easier to build and cooler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Let's assume a best-case scenario: you draw Future Fusion first turn and use it, thus removing 14 Machines from your deck. That leaves you with 5 cards in your hand and about 20 cards in your deck. The only draw power you have left is triple Reckless - and you'll still need to dig through maybe 15 more cards in order to get to the last Exodia pieces. Meanwhile, the deeper you dig, the fewer useful cards you have in your hand as they slowly - very slowly - get replaced by the Exodia cards that sit in your hand and do nothing. Now, suppose you always draw Future Fusion first turn, and your Reckless Greeds (just to simplify this) are actually Pots of Greed. Then you have 20 cards to dig through, and enough draw power to reduce those 20 cards to 14 cards. Now, among the remaining cards in your hand and deck are seven Exodia pieces - 5 Exodia pieces, Sangan, and Monster Reborn (to revive Sangan) - and you need to draw 5 of them. However, it's not just that simple. Monster Reborn doesn't count as an Exodia piece unless you also have Sangan, and once an Exodia piece has been fetched by Sangan, it is no longer in the deck, decreasing your odds of drawing another Exodia piece. So even with all this deck thinning, you still need many Draw Phases in order to get to Exodia - 2 or 3 is extremely wishful thinking on your part. Plus, since virtually all of your monsters have been dumped in the graveyard, your opponent gets free shots at your Life Points. Oh, and remember that we were treating Reckless Greeds as Pots of Greed in this analysis - in actuality, your chances are even slimmer. Speaking of wishful thinking, Future Fusion will not hop into your opening hand every duel - and if you draw Cyber Dragon, you can never use Future Fusion, and if you do draw Future Fusion later, it becomes a completely dead card. Your monster-based draw power is slow, since you won't be able to make use of any of it unless your opponent attacks your monsters (unless you suicide Cyber Phoenix into the opponent's monster or something like that), and in this format, your opponent is more likely than not to be able to blow up all of your monstrrs with effects before attacking. Meanwhile, your deck is weighed down by cards that don't support the deck goal - most notably Brain Control, which is almost completely useless when you only have one card (Jinzo) that would make you tribute a monster. Also, Pulling the Rugs were good in September 2007 format, but we're now entering September 2008, and those things have been outdated by more than six months. On the other hand, you're missing standard Exodia deck staples like Upstart Goblin. Now, let's return to the first-turn-Future-Fusion setup. Remember those seven Exodia pieces, of which you needed to collect five? Instead of getting some combination of five of those Exodia pieces, you could just draw into one single card - Overload Fusion - that would instantly give you a 11200 ATK monster that can essentially keep attacking as long as the opponent still has monsters. And this is why you will not win by Exodia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake101 Posted August 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 except your forgetting that i will most likely have machine monsters in my hand first turn which most of the draw for me and if by some chance i get future fusion first turn which i am not counting that gets rid of some cards i don't want in their which thins my deck and sangan allows me to fetch exodia pieces at the most 2 plus my reckless greeds and theirs also the fact that i could already have exodia pieces in my hand plus future/ chimera teck is more of a back up plan their genuis i wouldn't use it unless i had to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 except your forgetting that i will most likely have machine monsters in my hand first turn which most of the draw for me You have six Machines that can draw in your deck' date=' and you start with less than one-sixth of your deck in your hand. Let's be generous and assume that you start with either 1 Cyber Phoenix or 1 Dekoichi in your hand. That one-card draw - assuming your opponent allows it, and doesn't just blow them up with a card effect - does not reverse my previous analysis. and if by some chance i get future fusion first turn which i am not counting that gets rid of some cards i don't want in their which thins my deck And then you realize that, when your deck starts with 20 cards and you start with 5 cards, 3 Pots of Greed isn't enough to let you collect the Exodia pieces in any reasonable number of turns. and sangan allows me to fetch exodia pieces at the most 2 plus my reckless greeds Your situation is worse than a flat 7-pieces-collect-5' date=' since Monster Reborn cannot be used with Sangan and an Exodia piece fetched by Sangan is no longer in the deck, thus reducing your chances of drawing another Exodia piece. As I have shown above, your three Reckless Greeds, even if they were Pots of Greed, would not provide enough draw power to let you collect the pieces of Exodia. and theirs also the fact that i could already have exodia pieces in my hand You start with between a sixth and a seventh of your deck in your hand; on average, you will open with one of your seven Exodia pieces. Even if we assume best-case scenario - again, Future Fusion - you've still got the remaining six pieces scattered among the remaining twenty cards. On average, you'll need to dig down two-thirds of the way - 13 cards - in order to get four of those six, which means that you'll encounter two of those Pots of Greed you have. That still leaves you with 9 other cards to dig through, and no way of doing so beyond Draw Phases. plus future/ chimera teck is more of a back up plan their genuis i wouldn't use it unless i had to You'd rather stake the game on a 5-card combo than on a 2-card combo? Are you telling me that, if you activated Future Fusion and later drew Overload Fusion, you wouldn't activate Overload Fusion and win the game right there if it wasn't absolutely necessary that you win that very turn? Don't be unreasonable. Oh, and don't forget that Royal Oppression and Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror are popular at the moment. Royal Oppression negates your Monster Reborn - leaving you with only six pieces - and Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror negates Sangan (and thus Monster Reborn as well, since Sangan would have no effect), leaving you with a mere 5 Exodia pieces - and requiring you to draw (without searching) every last one of them. When you need to almost deck yourself, you realize just how deep your deck is. And don't forget that Mind Crush is still running around to counter the god bosses of other decks - the moment you fetch an Exodia piece, they can Mind Crush it, and without Dark Eruptions or Dark Factories of Mass Production, you'll have no way of retrieving it, and thus will basically need to surrender - unless, of course, you could still win by Overload Fusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake101 Posted September 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 are you dumb theirs only five pieces not seven plus this is a fun deck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ Chidori-Kun Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 Gasp! You have Disgraced the almighty CRAB! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake101 Posted September 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 who cares he can't count Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabris Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 Play Gadgets. Most of the time, you'll win by Overload Fusion into Chimeratech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akira Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 who cares he can't count Not even the noobiest of noobs would think theres 7 pieces of exodia and not 5... its soooo obvious that he obviously didn't mean that and if you re-read the post you'll see that he is implying that sangan/ MR with sangan in grave = exodia piece!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 are you dumb theirs only five pieces not seven I heard that elementary schools can teach little kids to read. plus this is a fun deck Add Thousand-Eyes Idol. Deliberately being bad and ignoring all logic is fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tickle Me Emo Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 Listen to crab. Terrible deck is terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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