CrabHelmet Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 as much as i love poc' date=' its effect shows no regard for the banlist and being able to interact with monsters that are limited that would have more power with multiple copies, even if it is for a turn. so by that it should be banned. disclaimer i have no i dear whether that is a valid argument Xd[/quote'] Most monsters that deserve to be Limited are so because of some combo they have with other copies of themselves, as with Elemental Hero Stratos and Night Assailant. PoC doesn't cause any apparent problem there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 In a nut shell' date=' I agree with this rubric.[/quote'] It's not a rubric. You don't even know what it is or why it was created, so you can't possibly be in informed agreement with it. Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source - Share Thisru·bric Audio Help /ˈrubrɪk/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[roo-brik] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation–noun1. a title' date=' heading, direction, or the like, in a manuscript, book, statute, etc., written or printed in red or otherwise distinguished from the rest of the text.2. a direction for the conduct of divine service or the administration of the sacraments, inserted in liturgical books.3. any established mode of conduct or procedure; protocol.4. an explanatory comment; gloss.5. a class or category6. Archaic. red ocher.–adjective7. written, inscribed in, or marked with or as with red; rubrical.8. Archaic. red; ruddy. [/quote'] It clearly falls number 4. It may not have been intended to be a rubric, but it is, and should possibly be stickied. I find that' date=' in general, most cards are banworthy for one (or more) of these five conditions[/quote']It was created to share your thoughts of what "banworthy" is or means. Again, I agree to it. 1.Did you?! Yes. Not talking to you' date=' I was addressing the creator of the thread. 2. Don't you ever Mini Mod, or get on somebody when you cant even stay on topic in your own thread. Post something useful, or GTFO! That's funny, I seem to remember a useless reply to this thread where some n00b suggested putting PoC at 4. I must be misremembering. Yes, and LOL GUYZ 37 PER DECK LOL LOL LOL IM FUNNY GUYZ LOL LOL ROFL was very informative. Again, off topic because this isn't the issue. I felt as though i was targeted by the creator of the thread and felt as though the mini modding wasn't necessary when the same acts were being committed. I.e. the Trolling, steering conversations away, and the occasional "GTFO." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Ironically, the flaw in your logic can be found within that post of mine that you quoted from the "banworthy" topic. Let's see if you can find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Other than No. 1, I don't see it. Poc is one of those Banworthy cards that cant be banworthy alone. It takes two to tangle. I don't see the point in banning pock in a perfect list, simply because in a perfect list, all banworthy effect monsters are all ready ban. In a perfect list, i don't see abuse as i see support. Support being The name copying effect, and removal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Star Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Phantom of Chaos allows players to easily clear the field using powerful effects like those of Levia Dragon - Neo Daedalus, Sky Scourge Norlera, and Demise, King of Armageddon. Notice that I didn't use any cards in my argument that are banworthy, except for Demise, which is arguable. It can also be used with cards like Judgment Dragon and Dark Armed Dragon, but Judgment Dragon and Dark Armed Dragon should be banned, so I didn't use them in my argument. This card should be banned. The only reason Norleras is possibly banworthy is because of Phantom of Chaos. Sure, Norleras has a good effect, but it's not very easy to Summon, so there's no point in banning it. Phantom of Chaos isn't broken because of the cards' effects that it can use, it's broken because it has the ability to use those effects without having to fulfill the Summoning Conditions of those monsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Other than No. 1' date=' I don't see it. Poc is one of those Banworthy cards that cant be banworthy alone. It takes two to tangle. I don't see the point in banning pock in a perfect list, simply because in a perfect list, all banworthy effect monsters are all ready ban. In a perfect list, i don't see abuse as i see support. Support being The name copying effect, and removal.[/quote'] Condition 1 requires some sort of balance between the reward, the cost, and the ease of use. PoC can reduce both cost while making it easier to use, thus creating an unacceptable effect from a normally balanced card. A good example of this would be the case of Destiny Hero - Plasma. The three-monster tribute normally balances Plasma, but PoC gets around that. So, do we ban Plasma or PoC? Eventually, as Konami prints more and more cards, another card like Plasma will be released that is fine on its own but unacceptable with PoC - and then it will be a matter of killing one card to save two. So we ban PoC. ' pid='1047368' dateline='1220114394']Notice that I didn't use any cards in my argument that are banworthy' date=' except for Demise, which is arguable.[/quote'] When did Norleras stop being banworthy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Star Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Other than No. 1' date=' I don't see it. Poc is one of those Banworthy cards that cant be banworthy alone. It takes two to tangle. I don't see the point in banning pock in a perfect list, simply because in a perfect list, all banworthy effect monsters are all ready ban. In a perfect list, i don't see abuse as i see support. Support being The name copying effect, and removal.[/quote'] Condition 1 requires some sort of balance between the reward, the cost, and the ease of use. PoC can reduce both cost while making it easier to use, thus creating an unacceptable effect from a normally balanced card. A good example of this would be the case of Destiny Hero - Plasma. The three-monster tribute normally balances Plasma, but PoC gets around that. So, do we ban Plasma or PoC? Eventually, as Konami prints more and more cards, another card like Plasma will be released that is fine on its own but unacceptable with PoC - and then it will be a matter of killing one card to save two. So we ban PoC. ' pid='1047368' dateline='1220114394']Notice that I didn't use any cards in my argument that are banworthy' date=' except for Demise, which is arguable.[/quote'] When did Norleras stop being banworthy? Why is Norleras banworthy is Phantom of Chaos is banned? Sure, it's good, but it's ridiculously hard to Summon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 ' pid='1047396' dateline='1220114755']Other than No. 1' date=' I don't see it. Poc is one of those Banworthy cards that cant be banworthy alone. It takes two to tangle. I don't see the point in banning pock in a perfect list, simply because in a perfect list, all banworthy effect monsters are all ready ban. In a perfect list, i don't see abuse as i see support. Support being The name copying effect, and removal.[/quote'] Condition 1 requires some sort of balance between the reward, the cost, and the ease of use. PoC can reduce both cost while making it easier to use, thus creating an unacceptable effect from a normally balanced card. A good example of this would be the case of Destiny Hero - Plasma. The three-monster tribute normally balances Plasma, but PoC gets around that. So, do we ban Plasma or PoC? Eventually, as Konami prints more and more cards, another card like Plasma will be released that is fine on its own but unacceptable with PoC - and then it will be a matter of killing one card to save two. So we ban PoC. ' pid='1047368' dateline='1220114394']Notice that I didn't use any cards in my argument that are banworthy' date=' except for Demise, which is arguable.[/quote'] When did Norleras stop being banworthy? Why is Norleras banworthy is Phantom of Chaos is banned? Sure, it's good, but it's ridiculously hard to Summon. Not as hard as it may seem. Plus, absolutely any use of Norleras automatically constitutes abuse. Norleras damages the game and never helps it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Star Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Not as hard as it may seem. Plus' date=' absolutely any use of Norleras automatically constitutes abuse. Norleras damages the game and never helps it.[/quote'] With that logic, we might as well ban Volcanic Doomfire because it has a powerful effect, but a difficult-to-fill Summoning Condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 ' pid='1047423' dateline='1220115029']Not as hard as it may seem. Plus' date=' absolutely any use of Norleras automatically constitutes abuse. Norleras damages the game and never helps it.[/quote'] With the logic, we might as well ban Volcanic Doomfire because it has a powerful effect, but a difficult-to-fill Summoning Condition. Volcanic Doomfire's effect is powerful, but is not inherently bad for the game. Norleras's reset-button is always bad for the game, in the same way that Chaos Emperor Dragon's effect is always bad for the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Belongs at 0. Crab has given the reason as to why this is true, Destiny Hero - Plasma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 ' pid='1047423' dateline='1220115029']Not as hard as it may seem. Plus' date=' absolutely any use of Norleras automatically constitutes abuse. Norleras damages the game and never helps it.[/quote'] With the logic, we might as well ban Volcanic Doomfire because it has a powerful effect, but a difficult-to-fill Summoning Condition. Volcanic Doomfire's effect is powerful, but is not inherently bad for the game. Norleras's reset-button is always bad for the game, in the same way that Chaos Emperor Dragon's effect is always bad for the game. Gotta give him credit for trying. Not much else to say, his point remains that Neo-Daedalus and Plasma aren't close to ban worthy, and in my eyes, Demise isn't either, and PoC abuse with said characters that aren't worth banning is what makes him banworthy. I know you know this, it's basically what you said. I just felt like saying something other than Star trying and being somewhat close to right is good to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 In a nut shell' date=' I agree with this rubric.[/quote'] It's not a rubric. You don't even know what it is or why it was created, so you can't possibly be in informed agreement with it. Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source - Share Thisru·bric Audio Help /ˈrubrɪk/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[roo-brik] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation–noun1. a title' date=' heading, direction, or the like, in a manuscript, book, statute, etc., written or printed in red or otherwise distinguished from the rest of the text.2. a direction for the conduct of divine service or the administration of the sacraments, inserted in liturgical books.3. any established mode of conduct or procedure; protocol.4. an explanatory comment; gloss.5. a class or category6. Archaic. red ocher.–adjective7. written, inscribed in, or marked with or as with red; rubrical.8. Archaic. red; ruddy. [/quote'] It clearly falls number 4. It may not have been intended to be a rubric, but it is, and should possibly be stickied. I find that' date=' in general, most cards are banworthy for one (or more) of these five conditions[/quote']It was created to share your thoughts of what "banworthy" is or means. Again, I agree to it. 1.Did you?! Yes. Not talking to you' date=' I was addressing the creator of the thread. 2. Don't you ever Mini Mod, or get on somebody when you cant even stay on topic in your own thread. Post something useful, or GTFO! That's funny, I seem to remember a useless reply to this thread where some n00b suggested putting PoC at 4. I must be misremembering. Yes, and LOL GUYZ 37 PER DECK LOL LOL LOL IM FUNNY GUYZ LOL LOL ROFL was very informative. Again, off topic because this isn't the issue. I felt as though i was targeted by the creator of the thread and felt as though the mini modding wasn't necessary when the same acts were being committed. I.e. the Trolling, steering conversations away, and the occasional "GTFO." I'm sorry, but it seems that you are the one trying to steer the conversation away from the original topic by not backing up your views with any solid arguments. All you can give me is unfunny trolling and a "rubric" that you haven't even proven you've read fully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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