Total Control (with Monarchs)

[HORUS]

this is basically my Apprentice Engine deck with monarchs.

Total 40 Cards

 

Tribute Monsters:

 

2 Thestalos the Firestorm Monarch

1 Granmarg the Rock Monarch

2 Cyber Dragon

1 Jinzo

1 Dark Ruler Ha Des

 

Level 4:

 

1 Breaker the Magical Warrior

3 Hydrogeddon

2 Exiled Force

1 D.D. Warrior Lady

1 Snipe Hunter

1 Elemental Hero Wildheart

 

Level 3 and under:

 

1 Sangan

1 Neo Spacian Grand Mole *

1 Spirit Reaper

1 Marauding Captain *

2 Apprentice Magician

3 Old Vindictive Magician

1 Magician of Faith

1 Treeborn Frog

 

Spells:

 

1 Brain Control

1 Heavy Storm

1 Lightning Vortex

1 Nobleman of Crossout

1 Smashing Ground

1 MST

1 Shrink

1 Reinforcement of the Army *

 

Traps:

 

1 Mirror Force

1 Trap Dustshoot

1 Mind Crush

1 Call of the Haunted

1 Torrential Tribute

 

 

so, anything i need to take out? anything i need to add?

 

i rarely lose with this deck and it got me to the finals of my local tourney.

[HORUS]

bump. i need to know if this deck is any good from another duelist's point of view...

[Necrophia]

So. . . How and why is this deck original?

[chaoserver]

What I see:

Too many traps for a jinzo deck.

Lose the saks for shrinks.

Keep the crushoot if you want but be prepared for jinzo to conflict.

Seers would help but Im guessing you dont have any.

Take out tomato, can hardly search out anything.

smashing or fissure in for vortex. Monster reincarnation should be out too.

[HORUS]

okay thanks. i'll make those changes. anything i should put in for some of the cards i take out?

[chaoserver]

-2 mystic tomato

-2 saks

- 1 monster reincarnation

- 1 lightning vortex

 

+3 shrinks

+2 seers

+smashing ground

 

Should be better, though Im not sure if the smashing is needed. Have quite a bit of monster removal.

[Azuh]

its not too bad... very competitive 9.6/10

[cyberdude]

whts apprentice engine

[HORUS]

apprentice engine utilizes the effects of Apprentice Magician to summon Old Vindictive Magician face down and flip to destroy. ive had it in for a while and it is really good.

 

thanks chaos. anything i coul replace the Seers with until next saturday (thats when i can get them)?

[HORUS]

So. . . How and why is this deck original?

 

so...how and why does it matter if my deck is original?

[chaoserver]

Short term try dekochi. Less effective in this deck but does essentially the same thing.

[HORUS]

okay thanks. :) i know who to talk to if i need help.

[Necrophia]

Oh sorry! You're right. I guess being unable to create a deck without basically copying. . . I mean, COOKIE CUTTING the already overused decks of others, it's totally alright.

 

Don't worry, you're fine where you are.

 

By the by, you need more monster destruction and Zaborg, considering this IS a Monarch Deck, is required. It will come in more use than Thestalos any day.

 

Also you need more Magic/Trap Removal/Negation.

 

Noblemans always help.

 

Experiment with Nobleman of Extermination and Bait Doll.

 

Magic Drain is also a very underrated and yet very powerful card. Either way your opponent will have to surrender a Spell Card, and in today's game, every spell card has significance.

 

Oh and, what happened to Marauding Captain? I think being able to Special Summon ANY Monster Level 4 or lower from your hand is pretty broken. Marauding + Exiled/D.D. Warrior Lady anyone?

 

Oh, and you may want to throw in a Neo-Spacian Grand Mole. Imagine being able to summon a monster that can return a monarch to the opponent's hand, and itself (avoiding opponent's control cards) without dealing any damage to your life points despite its attack being half the opponent's monster's attack. Neo-Spacian Grand Mole does that. If you add that, you may want to throw in a Giant Rat.

[HORUS]

i have changed my deck a little bit. i put Magic Drain back in and took some stuff out and added Hydrogeddons.

[Necrophia]

Magic Drain is all? Wow, there's a lot more you could afford to do.

[darkguy00000]

Oh sorry! You're right. I guess being unable to create a deck without basically copying. . . I mean' date=' COOKIE CUTTING the already overused decks of others, it's totally alright.

 

Don't worry, you're fine where you are.

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I've never seen THIS EXACT DECK anywhere else. And if you're saying that HORUS should be able to come up with something brand new: there IS nothing brand new. EVERYTHING (every theme) has been done before. Nothing original still exists. The only way you can create something different is by tweaking old stuff.

 

 

Good deck, HORUS... Go with Chaoserver's fixes, and you're all good...

[Necrophia]

You're argument is invalid. Every deck has been made, obviously, but not everyday is overused. This deck is overused, whether or not you've seen this EXACT deck, you've seen this EXACT format and you've seen it more than probably any other deck around.

 

Let's compare, say, ARCHFIENDS and Monarchs. Archfiends are probably used by .1% of the Duelist Population. Monarch decks are used by about. . . what, 65% of the competitive duelist majority. Big difference. Though this statistic is assumed, seriously tell me how often you see Archfiend deck in competitive use versus Monarch, of Cyber Dragon, or Destiny Hero.

 

It's overused, get over it. Stop trying to be controversial.

 

Now, seriously, you couldn't be ANY more obviously against me, or begrudging towards my offensive text. You're telling him to go with someone OTHER than me, because. . . oh, you know HIM better than you know ME, or, as I've said, you're obviously demented with spite against me.

 

My changes are just as significant, because I actually pay attention, unlike most people, who go simply with the flow of the most prominent CC.

 

I don't know when Magic Drain hasn't come in use. Marauding Captain as well. They can go in any deck. You're just avoiding, like a pre-adolescent child, advising him to go with ANY of my advice.

 

How sweet!

[chaoserver]

Its overused, and overused for a reason. Monarchs work. Im guessing if you saw an archfiend deck you'd probally end up lol'ing at how bad it was.

When they make a unique deck forum and you find this there then you have room to talk.

[HORUS]

i know its over used.

 

i know its not original.

 

i know a lot of people use them.

 

i know they are extremely good.

 

so i made one.

[darkguy00000]

You're argument is invalid. Every deck has been made' date=' obviously, but not everyday is overused. This deck is overused, whether or not you've seen this EXACT deck, you've seen this EXACT format and you've seen it more than probably any other deck around.

 

Let's compare, say, ARCHFIENDS and Monarchs. Archfiends are probably used by .1% of the Duelist Population. Monarch decks are used by about. . . what, 65% of the competitive duelist majority. Big difference. Though this statistic is assumed, seriously tell me how often you see Archfiend deck in competitive use versus Monarch, of Cyber Dragon, or Destiny Hero.

 

It's overused, get over it. Stop trying to be controversial.

 

Now, seriously, you couldn't be ANY more obviously against me, or begrudging towards my offensive text. You're telling him to go with someone OTHER than me, because. . . oh, you know HIM better than you know ME, or, as I've said, you're obviously demented with spite against me.

 

My changes are just as significant, because I actually pay attention, unlike most people, who go simply with the flow of the most prominent CC.

 

I don't know when Magic Drain hasn't come in use. Marauding Captain as well. They can go in any deck. You're just avoiding, like a pre-adolescent child, advising him to go with ANY of my advice.

 

How sweet!

[/quote']

 

So what? You have a grudge against something everyone uses? Look at human history. Time and time again PEOPLE USE WHAT THEY KNOW WORKS! Why?! Because they do not have to worry if it collapses on them in the middle of their struggle. It's used in war, politics, sport, etc. etc. People default to what they know will get them through and put them as best they can get.

 

As for your cards:

a) Magic Drain is not always useful. If I'm topdecking late game and I've got no monster, I'd prefer nearly anything over Magic Drain.

Also, Magic Drain is not a guarenteed negation when you want it to be: in cases of things like a Limiter Removal or Snatch Steal which you MUST negate, they can pitch spare spells and save it.

 

b) Marauding Captain is a good card that does not fit into the current trends of this format. This format as a whole is about conservative play, eliminating the opponent's options and chipping away until you can bring it home with one him. Marauding Captain inspires a more aggressive stance, and in any case it gets run over next turn immediately by a flipped Dekoichi/Cyber Dragon/Trooper/Gadget/Hydroggedon etc. etc.

 

I hate Cookie Cutter decks too, but what I hate more are people who cry netdecker as soon as they see a Monarch. I've just realised you're never going to be able to stop it, and simply rumbling around whining about this isn't going to fix it. You'll never be able to stop netdecking because competitive play is just that: competitive, and people want to do their best. If the best deck they have is something that has been done before, then in all sane logic they'll use that deck, correct?

 

As for suggesting Chaoserver's fixes over yours, they were not out of spite. I agreed with his fixes personally. With the deck running a common trap lineup, Nobleman of Extermination would hurt as much as it helped, and now in this format most traps are chainable anyway. And as for Neo-Spacian Grand Mole, I just don't think he fits here. Monarchs don't usually have more than one monster up at a time normally anyway, so it would be rather useless.

 

 

And I'm up to here with the pathetic sarcasm. And everyone will take Chaoserver's ideas over yours because they know him more than they know you. It's easier to trust more familiar people. I just agree with his choices, although Smashing could be traded for a third Brain Control.

 

BTW Horus, is Mind Crush really necessary in here?

[Necrophia]

You're so intelligent. You're absolutely right. Compare historical events with a deck. I mean, it's completely logical! Now I never thought to compare famous people and their lack of creativity with the apparent drought of creativity that infests someone when he builds a Monarch Deck. Let's consider this; how about we analyze another Monarch Deck, and then look at EVERY OTHER Monarch Deck and see how dissimilar they are. Sound good? Oh wait, they must be completely opposite, since they are the SAME deck type. Right? Makes perfectly logical sense. According to you, every musician and bad rapper and bad actor and whore for that matter should get away with doing what everyone else is doing in order to succeed. I mean, who enjoys seeing something different? The metagame means SO MUCH more than actually having fun and building a deck you'd enjoy using, instead of trying to convince yourself that you enjoy using the hackneyed deck labelled Monarch.

 

Let's see, now you're attacking my advice, which I suggested he simply experiment with.

 

Magic Drain, along with ANY Tribute is a bad topdeck. Right? Of course it's not ALWAYS useful, but against most other decks, mainly Monarchs (CC) you're opponent's going to have to puke out one of his wonderful Spell cards. Now, you're superlative, "I'd prefer almost ANYTHING over Magic Drain." is just screaming "I hate you Necrophia!" I mean, how much more obvious could it be, other than you spitting black saliva out onto your monitor when you read my name? You'd prefer ALMOST ANYTHING over the best Spell Negation in the game (in the form of a trap). WOW. I'm impressed with your lies!

 

And "pitching spare spells" is a rare case in today's game. If you're opponent has any spare spells it's not going to be a good duel on his side anyway. Now you're being really situational. Try again next timeOKLOL!

 

Marauding Captain is a good card in any format, basically, including this one. During the entirety of the duel, the object IS to get your Monarchs and their abilities on the field. If you summon Marauding Captain during the first turn and then get a spirit reaper or Exiled Force on the field, there's no much your opponent can do. This IS speaking circumstantially, however, it's a common sight. Now, I suggested it as a test card, as I've stated, so stop getting your panties tied in a knot over it. You're just trying to target me because you're offended by my terribly harsh text! Please, spare me. Your "for instances" are for the actual game. "For instance!" For instance, you summon Marauding and Exiled and kill off a Monarch. Wow. We can both do this! But I guess you're right again . . . under no circumstances should he test anything out which I suggest, because you've tested this deck out and you realize what it can and cannot support, or what can and cannot support it.

 

"I hate Cookie Cutter decks too, but what I hate more are people who cry netdecker as soon as they see a Monarch. I've just realised you're never going to be able to stop it, and simply rumbling around whining about this isn't going to fix it. You'll never be able to stop netdecking because competitive play is just that: competitive, and people want to do their best. If the best deck they have is something that has been done before, then in all sane logic they'll use that deck, correct?"

 

Sorry, as soon as I see "Monarch" I see "CC" Because they're basically tantamount. And believe me, your opinion REALLY affects my own, with all of your bias and grudge and spite against me, and in favor of EVERYONE else, I so truly know you're right! Now, forget this "competitive play" thing for a bit, because I can guarantee you no one here is going to win any trophy for dueling for the rest of his life. Let's think "fun play!" and the ability to make a deck that ISN'T built for major competition with the fatties and the lifeless and consider battling people who want to duel for FUN! It's so difficult to fathom, I know, but TRY! Anyway, in SANE logic, anyone who uses a deck not meant for competition is apparently wasting his time! Oh no! I think I may CRY!

 

"As for suggesting Chaoserver's fixes over yours, they were not out of spite. I agreed with his fixes personally. With the deck running a common trap lineup, Nobleman of Extermination would hurt as much as it helped, and now in this format most traps are chainable anyway. And as for Neo-Spacian Grand Mole, I just don't think he fits here. Monarchs don't usually have more than one monster up at a time normally anyway, so it would be rather useless."

 

Oh don't worry, I believe you completely. You and your text. Your text is so believable darkguy. I'm so SO believing everything you say. Well, unforunatetly psychology denotes that people will lie to defend themselves whenever they can. This is text, in all honesty, and you know you're spewing your spite out at me like it's vomit and you want to get rid of it. It's just so obvious.

 

Nobleman of Extermination is worth playing if you're going to get rid of 2 Sakuretsu while you tactfully plan out having 0 or 1. It's about planning. Use DIFFERENT CARDS FOR A CHANCE, Eh? And he can TEST it, can't he? Competition IS about testing and constant experimentation. Well, perhaps using cards that barely ANYONE uses will actually prove BETTER than using cards everyone uses - HMM?

 

Again, Grand Mole you don't THINK fits here, well let him TRY it out. For goodness sakes, you're so prepared to fight whatever I say that it's sickeningly cowardly. Give him a chance for goodness sakes.

 

"And I'm up to here with the pathetic sarcasm. And everyone will take Chaoserver's ideas over yours because they know him more than they know you. It's easier to trust more familiar people. I just agree with his choices, although Smashing could be traded for a third Brain Control."

 

How familiar is anyone whose face you've never seen? Whose REAL face? You don't trust unknown and newly unvinvited intelligence. It hurts, I know it does, but you HAVE to adapt to me, I'm here to stay. As spiteful as you are. . . I mean, ARE NOT, it is a shame, isn't it?

 

Thanks for admitting your grudge.

 

KLOLBYE!:)

[chaoserver]

The style in which you argue and try to degrade others is irritating, as almost every sentence is sarcastic and condescending. Your trying to make him feel bad for making a deck that is effective. Granted you don't need to say "Nice job! Orignal deck!!" but you dont need to make sarcastic snide remarks to beat him up when he's asking for advice on his deck.

Don't you think that might make him feel bad? If he had posted some original non competitive deck you'd probally hate on him for that just as much, but here he's posting a deck which works even if it's not original and he wants advice. He didn't ask how you liked his oh so original theme.

As for your fixes? Sure he can try them out. Magic drains great, I've featured it on my COTW and have decked it in the past. Against monarchs its a great counter, as they need their choice of monster stealing spells. Marauding captain? Why, you swarm the field but require tributes in your hand, another monster in your hand, and their stats are nothing to speak of. It should only be used for swarming warrior deck, as it uses up your normal summon and you cant then trib it off. Monster stealers and cards th provide more tributes(GK spy, frog ect.) are superior.

Nobleman of extermination is dead for a reason, almost everythings chainable. Its a loss almost every time.

Grand mole? Sure why not. Unless your up against monarchs its not a bad choice, I just wouldn't say it fits in nicely here.

If he wants to try it, he can go for it, but I doubt acting superior is going to help convince him.

[Necrophia]

The style in which you argue and try to degrade others is irritating' date=' as almost every sentence is sarcastic and condescending. Your trying to make him feel bad for making a deck that is effective. Granted you don't need to say "Nice job! Orignal deck!!" but you dont need to make sarcastic snide remarks to beat him up when he's asking for advice on his deck.

Don't you think that might make him feel bad? If he had posted some original non competitive deck you'd probally hate on him for that just as much, but here he's posting a deck which works even if it's not original and he wants advice. He didn't ask how you liked his oh so original theme.

As for your fixes? Sure he can try them out. Magic drains great, I've featured it on my COTW and have decked it in the past. Against monarchs its a great counter, as they need their choice of monster stealing spells. Marauding captain? Why, you swarm the field but require tributes in your hand, another monster in your hand, and their stats are nothing to speak of. It should only be used for swarming warrior deck, as it uses up your normal summon and you cant then trib it off. Monster stealers and cards th provide more tributes(GK spy, frog ect.) are superior.

Nobleman of extermination is dead for a reason, almost everythings chainable. Its a loss almost every time.

Grand mole? Sure why not. Unless your up against monarchs its not a bad choice, I just wouldn't say it fits in nicely here.

If he wants to try it, he can go for it, but I doubt acting superior is going to help convince him.

[/quote']

 

I'm sorry if my dread-ridden text makes you sad, it's not supposed to, really it's not! I mean, it's only text you know. It's no more harmful than a word on paper. That's basically what it is.

 

My sarcasm is helpful, actually. Psychology would denote that sarcasm is persuasive! Apparently it's persuaded you to take action, right? I'm sorry, I've read the word "snide" like 50 times this week, please use something less coated in "geek".

 

And there is no unoriginal non-competitive deck, because no one cares for non-competitive decks. Monarch decks are competitive, and they're basically the only deck I find overused, overliked, and ridiculously uncreative. If my convictions offend you, forgive me, because they are my own beliefs. You're apparently attempting to alter them with text. Insert coin and try again!

 

Again, these are all cards I choose to use, and abuse, and what not. He can add these into his obviously so incredibly restrictive deck format, right? Marauding isn't that situational, it really isn't. I use it in almost every deck I run, except water. I don't like a Warrior in a drenched chain mail you know?

 

Nobleman of Extermination is definitely chainable to Mirror Force and Sakuretsu and Nightmare Wheel and Torrential Tribute. Right? Totally! Don't worry though, no one uses these cards, or multiple copies of them. Extermination never comes in use. Although, under the circumstances that your opponent DOES chain, it's because he MUST chain. The timing can and may be completely off considering he MAY be strategizing and formulating and all of that.

 

Acting superior is different than being superior. It's ridiculous how everyone thinks I'm ACTING. Well, it happens to be a GREAT way to convince another that he's WRONG.

 

Now. Please, one at a time server of almighty and greatly geeky CHAOS.

[Necrophia]

I'm not here to make enemies, it seems others are here to make enemies out of me. I'm not bad because I'm sarcastic and condescending, it's all part of my facade. As long as I'm ACTUALLY striving to assist someone else, there's nothing wrong with it.

 

Attacking advice is worse than attacking the one in need of it. Take it with a grain of salt.

[chaoserver]

Stop reading books, because clearly your sarcasm is just irritating, and if anything makes me want to disagree with you more. Of course based on your first paragraph I don't see you stopping anytime soon so oh well.

 

Do you hear me arguing? Yes its extremely boring and repetitive. Deal with it. This is a deck forum. Decks are made to play the game with, and to win or have fun. If this wins for him thats all that matters. If he has fun while playing, all the better. If he posted and said "this deck is no fun :( entertain me", then go ahead and make your fixes.

 

In this kind of deck marauding is useless. If you wish to beleive otherwise, clearly I can't stop you.

 

Extermination is a spell speed one, you cannot chain it to a mirror force or a nightmare wheel(lol?). If you were trying to say that mirror force is'nt chainable to it, true but thats still just one card, and typically you'll end up ROD'd waboku ect. ect. Usually you end up wasting a card to have them trigger their effect earlier than intended.

 

And yes I am a geek, as are you for caring oh so much that someone copied a deck from a childrens card game from the internet. I can talk down to you and don't feel guilty for doing so. You are arrogant, lose your points within your own abysmal style of arguement, and you may believe that you are superior but you are quite incorrect. I've had more compelling arguements with star trainer, as atleast I can understand what exactly the point of his rambling is.

 

And I'll take my praise all at once. Thanks.