Finally a good banlist.

[Guest Star]

The Advanced Format will be used at premier events, and the World Championship.

ADVANCED FORMAT LIST CURRENT

 

I. Forbidden Cards

 

You cannot use these cards in your Deck or Side Deck:

 

ALL-OUT ATTACKS

ALLURE OF DARKNESS

BLACK LUSTER SOLDIER - ENVOY OF THE BEGINNING

BUTTERFLY DAGGER - ELMA

CALL OF THE HAUNTED

CARD OF SAFE RETURN

CHANGE OF HEART

CHAOS EMPEROR DRAGON - ENVOY OF THE END

CHAOS SORCERER

CHIMERATECH OVERDRAGON

CONFISCATION

CRUSH CARD VIRUS

CYBER END DRAGON

CYBER TWIN DRAGON

CYBER JAR

CYBER-STEIN

DARK ARMED DRAGON

DARK HOLE

DARKLORD ZERATO

DARK MAGICIAN OF CHAOS

DECK DEVASTATION VIRUS

DELINQUENT DUO

DEMISE, KING OF ARMAGEDDON

DESTINY HERO - DISK COMMANDER

DIMENSION FUSION

EXCHANGE OF THE SPIRIT

EXODIA THE FORBIDDEN ONE

FIBER JAR

GLADIATOR BEAST GYZARUS

GOLD SARCOPHAGUS

GRACEFUL CHARITY

HARPIE'S FEATHER DUSTER

IMPERIAL ORDER

JUDGMENT DRAGON

LAST TURN

LAST WILL

LIMITER REMOVAL

MAGICAL SCIENTIST

MAKYURA THE DESTRUCTOR

MIRAGE OF NIGHTMARE

MONSTER REBORN

NECROFACE

PAINFUL CHOICE

PHANTOM OF CHAOS

POT OF GREED

PREMATURE BURIAL

RAIGEKI

RETURN FROM THE DIFFERENT DIMENSION

RING OF DESTRUCTION

SANGAN

SINISTER SERPENT

SKY SCOURGE NORLERAS

SNATCH STEAL

SNIPE HUNTER

THE FORCEFUL SENTRY

THOUSAND-EYES RESTRICT

TIME SEAL

TRAP DUSTSHOOT

TREEBORN FROG

TRIBE-INFECTING VIRUS

TSUKUYOMI

ULTIMATE OFFERING

UNITED WE STAND

VICTORY DRAGON

WITCH OF THE BLACK FOREST

YATA-GARASU

 

NEW! - ALL-OUT ATTACKS, ALLURE OF DARKNESS, CARD OF SAFE RETURN, CHIMERATECH OVERDRAGON, CRUSH CARD VIRUS, CYBER END DRAGON, CYBER TWIN DRAGON, DARK ARMED DRAGON, DARKLORD ZERATO, DARK MAGICIAN OF CHAOS, DECK DEVASTATION VIRUS, DEMISE, KING OF ARMAGEDDON, DESTINY HERO - DISK COMMANDER, EXODIA THE FORBIDDEN ONE, GLADIATOR BEAST GYZARUS, GOLD SARCOPHAGUS, JUDGMENT DRAGON, LIMITER REMOVAL, MONSTER REBORN, NECROFACE, PHANTOM OF CHAOS, PREMATURE BURIAL, RETURN FROM THE DIFFERENT DIMENSION, SANGAN, SKY SCOURGE NORLERAS, SNIPE HUNTER, TRAP DUSTSHOOT, TREEBORN FROG, ULTIMATE OFFERING, UNITED WE STAND

 

II. Limited Cards

 

You can ONLY use one of the following cards in the Deck & Side Deck combined:

 

ARCANA FORCE 0 - THE FOOL

BRAIN CONTROL

BREAKER THE MAGICAL WARRIOR

CARD DESTRUCTION

CARD TROOPER

CEASEFIRE

CHAIN STRIKE

ELEMENTAL HERO PRISMA

ELEMENTAL HERO STRATOS

GRAVITY BIND

GREEN BABOON, DEFENDER OF THE FOREST

HEAVY STORM

MAGIC CYLINDER

MARSHMALLON

MIRROR FORCE

MORPHING JAR

NIGHT ASSAILANT

NOBLEMAN OF CROSSOUT

SCAPEGOAT

SPIRIT REAPER

SWORDS OF REVEALING LIGHT

TORRENTIAL TRIBUTE

TWIN-HEADED BEHEMOTH

 

NEW! - ARCANA FORCE 0 - THE FOOL, BREAKER THE MAGICAL WARRIOR, ELEMENTAL HERO PRISMA

 

 

 

NEW! - THE FOLLOWING CARDS ARE NO LONGER LIMITED: ADVANCED RITUAL ART, BOOK OF MOON, CYBER DRAGON, D.D. WARRIOR LADY, DESTINY HERO - MALICIOUS, FISSURE, FOOLISH BURIAL, FUTURE FUSION, GIANT TRUNADE, LEFT ARM OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE, LEFT LEG OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE, LEVEL LIMIT - AREA B, LIGHT AND DARKNESS DRAGON, MAGE POWER, MAGICAL STONE EXCAVATION, MANTICORE OF DARKNESS, MAGICIAN OF FAITH, MASK OF DARKNESS, MIND CRUSH, MYSTICAL SPACE TYPHOON, NEO-SPACIAN GRAND MOLE, OJAMA TRIO, OVERLOAD FUSION, RAIZA THE STORM MONARCH, REINFORCEMENT OF THE ARMY, RIGHT ARM OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE, RIGHT LEG OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE, ROYAL DECREE, SMASHING GROUND, THE TRANSMIGRATION PROPHECY, WALL OF REVEALING LIGHT

 

I did not look at Atem's list while I made this.

 

I copied and pasted the original list from www.wannaduel.com, and made my changes to it.

[Guest PikaPerson01]

II. Limited Cards

 

You can ONLY use one of the following cards in the Deck & Side Deck combined:

 

...

MONSTER REBORN

 

I lol'd.

[Purple Dinosaur]

You said you'd put in Chaos-End Master.

Oh well, it's good. I do not see anything bad about it.

 

I cannot help someone make a better banlist because I'm only a Collector and not a player, so I don't observe what happens in the game.

 

I may sound EXTREMELY STUPID in saying this, but The Beginning of the End is a card that might have potential to be on this list if it could.

 

-PD

[Guest Star]

II. Limited Cards

 

You can ONLY use one of the following cards in the Deck & Side Deck combined:

 

...

MONSTER REBORN

 

I lol'd.

 

I forgot to ban that.

[D.D Star-Storm]

wait is this the new band list ????? and when does it come out if it does

[Guest Star]

wait is this the new band list ????? and when does it come out if it does

 

No, I made this banlist.

 

However, I wouldn't mind if this was the new banlist.

[Tabris]

Allure is Attribute-specific 2-for-2 hand-replacement Spell Card. Why ban it?

 

Darklord Zerato can be used only in DARK decks, and is destroyed at the end of the turn. Why ban it?

 

The only reason Disk is abusable is fue to generic revival (and I see Reborn sticking at 1). Why ban it?

 

Sarco is very slow, though you're guaranteed to get any card you like. Why ban it?

 

Gyzarus is a themed Fusion. Why ban it?

 

Judgment Dragon would neccessitate running useless Lightsworn, as well as a measure of inconsistency. Why ban it?

 

Phantom of Chaos is only as broken as the monster it attempts to copy. Why ban it?

 

Dustshoot loses its usability in the late game. Why ban it?

[CrabHelmet]

Keeping RFTDD legal on a banlist is like putting Avian and Polymerization into a deck.

[Guest]

Someone wants a monarch era, also magician of faith and mst unlimited is very pro

[Guest setojim]

meh...no

[Guest Star]

Allure is Attribute-specific 2-for-2 hand-replacement Spell Card. Why ban it?

 

That was a nice joke.

 

Darklord Zerato can be used only in DARK decks' date=' and is destroyed at the end of the turn. Why ban it?

 

[b']Darklord Zerato clears the entire field. It can be used in any Deck that runs Snipe Hunter, Spirit Reaper, or Sangan, which is most Decks.[/b]

 

The only reason Disk is abusable is fue to generic revival (and I see Reborn sticking at 1). Why ban it?

 

You don't know why Disk Commander should be banned?

 

Sarco is very slow, though you're guaranteed to get any card you like. Why ban it?

 

You can get any card you want.

 

Gyzarus is a themed Fusion. Why ban it?

 

Gyzarus destroys two cards and helps Summon Heraklinos.

 

Judgment Dragon would neccessitate running useless Lightsworn, as well as a measure of inconsistency. Why ban it?

 

Are you kidding?

 

Phantom of Chaos is only as broken as the monster it attempts to copy. Why ban it?

 

It can copy a lot of broken monsters.

 

Dustshoot loses its usability in the late game. Why ban it?

 

Dustshoot allows you to makes plays based on what's in your opponent's hand.

 

Read the bold things.

[CrabHelmet]

' pid='965382' dateline='1218685663']

Allure is Attribute-specific 2-for-2 hand-replacement Spell Card. Why ban it?

 

That was a nice joke.

 

Allure is one of the most borderline bans of all. Questioning it is hardly a joke.

 

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Darklord Zerato can be used only in DARK decks' date=' and is destroyed at the end of the turn. Why ban it?

[/quote']

 

Darklord Zerato clears the entire field. It can be used in any Deck that runs Snipe Hunter, Spirit Reaper, or Sangan, which is most Decks.

 

Except that of the three monsters you listed, two ought to be banned and the third is Limited. Have fun running Darklord Zerato with only one other DARK in your deck.

 

But more importantly, he turns every single DARK in your hand into Raigeki. Self-destruct isn't a problem when you win that turn. Promotes OTKs, etc.

 

' pid='965382' dateline='1218685663']

The only reason Disk is abusable is fue to generic revival (and I see Reborn sticking at 1). Why ban it?

 

You don't know why Disk Commander should be banned?

 

Obviously. That's why he asked.

 

The reason is that perfectly innocent cards become Pot-of-Greed-except-better.

 

' pid='965382' dateline='1218685663']

Sarco is very slow' date=' though you're guaranteed to get any card you like. Why ban it?

[/quote']

 

You can get any card you want.

 

Yeah, that's pretty much it.

 

' pid='965382' dateline='1218685663']

Gyzarus is a themed Fusion. Why ban it?

 

Gyzarus destroys two cards and helps Summon Heraklinos.

 

Judgment Dragon would neccessitate running useless Lightsworn' date=' as well as a measure of inconsistency. Why ban it?

[/quote']

 

Are you kidding?

 

No, he isn't.

 

The main issue with both of those is whether being themed implies balance - that is, whether requiring certain other cards to be run alongside is a cost. We've already seen from the Envoys and DAD that requiring a certain attribute does not count as such a cost.

 

I'm not going to argue this one right now, because it's late and I'm tired. Sue me.

 

' pid='965382' dateline='1218685663']

Phantom of Chaos is only as broken as the monster it attempts to copy. Why ban it?

 

It can copy a lot of broken monsters.

 

If those monsters were broken in and of themselves' date=' they would be banned.

 

Read this:

 

Phantom of Chaos is certainly broken' date=' but only because of its ability to abuse otherwise unusable cards.[/quote']

 

The claim is only granted up to the word "ability." The remainder of the claim is completely inaccurate; one of the best power plays of the current time is Phantom-Plasma.

 

That ability does not even need other cards to copy in order to harm the game - Phantom's greatest damage to the game is that of restricting card design in a negative way.

 

The present game has a lot of monsters. Right now, we can organize them into three groups:

 

• Permissible Effects
  
• Middleground Effects
  
• Unpermissible Effects
  

 

Permissibles are fine 100% of the time. Middlegrounders are fine only when not copied by Phantom. Unpermissibles are undoubtedly deserving of prohibition.

 

In a game where Phantom is legal, the Middlegrounders would have to go if the game were to be its best. The problem in this matter is one of time.

 

Over an infinite amount of time, the probability that 2 seperate Middlegrounder cards would be released... approaches 100%. Common and proper belief is that we already have at least one - Plasma.

 

Right now, we can either say "kill Phantom for Plasma" or "kill Plasma for Phantom". It is thought that the former choice is better for the game, if only because Phantom would definitely be the better choice to kill once another Middlegrounder is confirmed.

 

That should help.

 

' pid='965382' dateline='1218685663']

Dustshoot loses its usability in the late game. Why ban it?

 

Dustshoot allows you to makes plays based on what's in your opponent's hand.

 

More important is that, though it becomes less likely to be useful late-game, it also offers tremendous advantage early-game, especially in opening hand, and thus rewards luck. It also takes no skill to use, punishes the opponent for maintaining advantage, and acts as a Forceful Sentry early on.

[Tabris]

' pid='965382' dateline='1218685663']

Allure is Attribute-specific 2-for-2 hand-replacement Spell Card. Why ban it?

 

That was a nice joke.

 

Darklord Zerato can be used only in DARK decks' date=' and is destroyed at the end of the turn. Why ban it?

 

[b']Darklord Zerato clears the entire field. It can be used in any Deck that runs Snipe Hunter, Spirit Reaper, or Sangan, which is most Decks.[/b]

 

The only reason Disk is abusable is due to generic revival (and I see Reborn sticking at 1). Why ban it?

 

You don't know why Disk Commander should be banned?

 

Sarco is very slow, though you're guaranteed to get any card you like. Why ban it?

 

You can get any card you want.

 

Gyzarus is a themed Fusion. Why ban it?

 

Gyzarus destroys two cards and helps Summon Heraklinos.

 

Judgment Dragon would neccessitate running useless Lightsworn, as well as a measure of inconsistency. Why ban it?

 

Are you kidding?

 

Phantom of Chaos is only as broken as the monster it attempts to copy. Why ban it?

 

It can copy a lot of broken monsters.

 

Dustshoot loses its usability in the late game. Why ban it?

 

Dustshoot allows you to makes plays based on what's in your opponent's hand.

 

Read the bold things.

 

On Allure: If Konami releases similar cards, but are specific to the other 5 Attributes, would you still advocate for banning Allure?

 

On Darklord: It needs to be Tribute Summoned, it needs a DARK monster in hand for its effect to activate, and is essentially unsummonable when it gets to the Graveyard, bar the generic revival lollipop trio.

 

On Disk: I've heard the reasoning. Just ban the generic revival, and you'll see how useless Disk becomes.

 

On Sarco: So what? You need to predict WHAT your opponent would do during those next two turns.

 

On Gyzarus: So? Mobius destroys the same amount. And so what if it helps summon Heraklinos? Can't you deal with it?

 

On JD: I kid thee not.

 

On Phantom of Chaos: Then why not ban the broken cards?

 

On Dustshoot: So what? It still loses the viability it has when your opponent has 3 of fewer cards in his hand, and you haven't activated Dustshoot yet.

[Guest Star]

Darklord Zerato doesn't need to be Tribute Summoned.

[Tabris]

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Darklord Zerato doesn't need to be Tribute Summoned.

 

I know. Valhalla. Only that it would take Darklord out of its environ, and there's still the fact that it gets destroyed at the end of the turn, once I do activate the field wipe...

[Guest Star]

Reasoning.

 

Monster Reborn.

 

Return from the Different Dimension.

 

D.D.R. - Different Dimension Reincarnation.

 

Escape from the Dark Dimension.

 

Premature Burial.

 

Monster Gate.

[Tabris]

But more importantly, he turns every single DARK in your hand into Raigeki. Self-destruct isn't a problem when you win that turn. Promotes OTKs, etc.

 

Only that the main avenues for such have been disposed of (D-Fusion banned, RftDD limited and made impotent).

 

 

 

Obviously. That's why he asked.

 

The reason is that perfectly innocent cards become Pot-of-Greed-except-better.

 

I know. I've heard the reasoning, only that it always brings up the lollipop trio of Premature, Reborn, and CotH. So dispose of them.

 

Of course, often as a last resort, whoever it is I'm talking to brings up the existence of Limit Reverse and Angel Lift. Never mind if both cards have only Disk as their only target; would all that resulting drawing have a win condition to satisfy that drawing?

 

 

 

Yeah, that's pretty much it.

 

Only that you also need to predict your opponent's moves in the next 2 turns.

[Guest Star]

Please stop being so bad at this game.

[Guest]

' pid='965530' dateline='1218688102']

Please stop being so bad at this game.

 

Q4T

 

Star also stop being so stubborn about Driver Xl

[Tabris]

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Reasoning.

 

Monster Reborn.

 

Return from the Different Dimension.

 

D.D.R. - Different Dimension Reincarnation.

 

Escape from the Dark Dimension.

 

Premature Burial.

 

Monster Gate.

 

First needs a slap and a ban. So does the second' date=' as well as the second to the last.

 

D. D. R. and Escape would almost cut it, if only that the main engine for putting DARKs out of play isn't broken in the first place. *ahem* DAD *ahem*

 

Reasoning and Monster Gate simply imply that you are running a deck with a low monster count, implying in turn that you will be recieving a vanilla, instead of a Darklord, most of the time.[hr']

' pid='965530' dateline='1218688102']

Please stop being so bad at this game.

 

I play the game, kid. I've heard the arguments from all sides. Maybe you'd like to pay a visit at Pojo and entertain Nuuuuf for me? She's infinitely more suave on these matters than I ever was.

[Guest]

Also nice job bring back necromill otk star *claps*

[Kizzi]

Obviously. That's why he asked.

The reason is that perfectly innocent cards become Pot-of-Greed-except-better.

 

I know. I've heard the reasoning' date=' only that it always brings up the lollipop trio of Premature, Reborn, and CotH. So dispose of them.

 

Of course, often as a last resort, whoever it is I'm talking to brings up the existence of Limit Reverse and Angel Lift. Never mind if both cards have only Disk as their only target; would all that resulting drawing have a win condition to satisfy that drawing?

[/quote']

With the decent variety of cards that are available / will become available to summon Disk, you can get a lot of fast drawing. Combined with Destiny Draw... who cares if you have a prominent way to a win condition? You can easily draw cards quickly with little cost, and if you lose with amazing advantage, then...

 

Reasoning and Monster Gate simply imply that you are running a deck with a low monster count' date=' implying in turn that you will be recieving a vanilla, instead of a Darklord, most of the time.

[/quote']

Low monster count = Vanillas now?

[Guest Star]

I could find better players in a dumpster than I'd find at Pojo.

 

lolpojo

[Guest]

Nice editing after i told you on aim star *claps*

[Tabris]

Obviously. That's why he asked.

The reason is that perfectly innocent cards become Pot-of-Greed-except-better.

 

I know. I've heard the reasoning' date=' only that it always brings up the lollipop trio of Premature, Reborn, and CotH. So dispose of them.

 

Of course, often as a last resort, whoever it is I'm talking to brings up the existence of Limit Reverse and Angel Lift. Never mind if both cards have only Disk as their only target; would all that resulting drawing have a win condition to satisfy that drawing?

[/quote']

With the decent variety of cards that are available / will become available to summon Disk, you can get a lot of fast drawing. Combined with Destiny Draw... who cares if you have a prominent way to a win condition? You can easily draw cards quickly with little cost, and if you lose with amazing advantage, then...

 

Reasoning and Monster Gate simply imply that you are running a deck with a low monster count' date=' implying in turn that you will be recieving a vanilla, instead of a Darklord, most of the time.

[/quote']

Low monster count = Vanillas now?

 

On Disk: Disk screams for a win condition, more usable targets aside from itself (supposing we'll be using Limit Reverse and Angel Lift), and consistency. Satisfy those, and I'll change my mind.

 

On Darklord: Unless you have a DARK monster in your hand, you won't be having a field wipe, now, is it? That happens in decks with a low monster count... right?