The Forbidden List From the Void ~ Improved!

[Sander]

Void, tell me, how to you exactly win games by negating a Spell/Trap or a summon while halving your LP?

[Void Old]

[Flame Dragon' date= that's just spam. Get your own opinions or please don't post.

 

By the way, sorry about the GTFOs, my patience was low.

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WTF. How is that spam?

 

Ah, sorry. I overlooked the top comments due to the last 4. I assumed you were just Q4Eing Pika.

 

Anyway, Fortress isn't out yet. It'll be banned when it is.

 

There's no problem with Victory Dragon in the Traditional format, so I'm not going to make it illegal as of now.

 

I know Gods would suck were they to have their real effects, but for our purposes they're fake. No effect cards with ???? ATK and Effect/Ritual monsters with flavor text shouldn't be legal.

 

 

 

 

 

Gamesmaster:

...You made the Instamatchers legal. That means you're even worse at the TCG than I am.

TRAD TOURNEYS ANYONE.

 

Void: They aren't causing any harm in the Trad Format, Traditional Decks can easily take care of them. If they're any good at all that is.

 

Gamesmaster: SEMI'ING IS FOR NOOBS

 

I'm not going to say arguments or GTFO again, but seriously, how is semi'ing "for noobs"? It significantly cuts your chances of drawing it. You're just reiterating everyone else and not backing up your answers.

 

Elsandero: How does Solemn win you games?

 

Void: It doesn't win you games, it prevents your opponent from making a possibly game winning plpan while giving you a large winning opportunity. It also stops your opponent' chance of a comeback if you're controlling the duel, I know from experiance. I've been on either side of the table where a Solemn cost the opposing player the game.

[Guest PikaPerson01]

Because they'd make GBs into a format-ruining Deck.

 

1: Explain how Gladiator Beasts would be a format-ruining deck.

2: Explain how the problem with them is soley to blame on Lacquer and Prisma

 

It's not as much Gigaplant OTK that I'm worried about, it's all of the loops that I'm worried about, Gigaplant OTK is just 1 of them.

 

I appologize for being a bit out of the meta. OTher then Gigaplant OTK (and any other random variants. Il Blud and whatever other Gemini does the same thing), what "loops" are you talking about?

 

That doesn't mean UDE can make more/reprint some in SJ magazines and whatnot which aren't illegal.

 

... Your argument is a hypothetical situation. That pretty much nulls anything you have to say in regards to the topic.

 

It doesn't have to be.

 

There's already a "non-broken" Traditional Format. It's called Advance Format. (Wait, nevermind. Our current Adv. Format sucks.) In any regard, on a good list Advance wouldn't be a coin flip, and Traditional, just by the nature of it, will always be a coin flip format.

 

Yes, but they don't have "TCG" effects, they don't have any effects, and are fake for our purposes.

 

So why did you even bother bringing them up?

 

Six Samurai taking over the meta and winning game after game is unhealthy for the metagame because it makes it unfair for those who run other Deck Types. Grandmaster contributes to their "swarm" vastly, wich is the main path to victory fo Samurai Decks, and with this list minus Grandmaster, Samurais would be so popular that innovative decks wouldn't get anywhere, which this list tries to promote. Samurais can still win without the extra 2 Grandmasters, they just wouldn't be so intense and overwhelming.

 

Swarming has never been harmful to the game, ever. Only swarming, without consequence, is harmful to the meta.

 

In my opinion cards which require little to no skill and just win "threaten the game".

 

How do Solemn, Plasma, and Dogma "require little no skill and just win"?

[Guest Supreme Gamesmaster]

lol@plasmadangerous. lol@solemnisnoskill.

 

But Mass Driver should be banned. There's the DMoC/RIF/Reborn loop, Gigaplant loop, Lumina loop...

[HORUS]

Putting Illegal Cards on the Forbidden list is ridiculous. Cards like Xexex were only printed once.

[Mr. Judgment Dragon]

This list is bad. Illegal cards now being forbidden is stupid. They are illegal for a reason.

[JesusofChaos™]

Solemn requires alot of skill too play properly

[Azuh]

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Putting Illegal Cards on the Forbidden list is ridiculous. Cards like Xexex were only printed once.

 

 

This list is bad. Illegal cards now being forbidden is stupid. They are illegal for a reason.

[Guest Chaos Pudding]

A card should only be Semi-Limited if it interacts with itself abusively at 3 but not at 2. Malicious doesn't interact with itself at 3 in a way that screams "HAX!!!1". All it provides is limited Tribute fodder.

 

With Gyz gone, what exactly is Prisma going to affect by being at 1? And what's the point of Limiting a card that can be searched by more than half of the deck?

[Mr. Judgment Dragon]

With Gyz gone' date=' what exactly is Prisma going to affect by being at 1? And what's the point of Limiting a card that can be searched by more than half of the deck?

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That's a valid point. Gyzarus is broken because of the Darius Loop involving Prisma, Bestiari and Test Tiger. With Gyzarus banned, the loop is now pointless because now there is nothing worth summoning. You could try the loop with Laquari but it is more situational as Heraklinos has 3 Fusion Material Monsters and this means you would have to have another Gladiator Beast on your side of the field to get the most effective use of the loop. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[Void Old]

Ok, I thought the illegal list would be a fun concept, I'm taking it out and illegaling all match-winners except Victory Dragon once more. >_<

 

Lacquer is at 3 again, but Prisma's still being limited. Gyzarus isn't the ONLY Fusion monster out there, and it's as good as or better than Future Fusion, thus deserving a Limit spot.

 

Plasma and Dogma are compatible with 3 different 2-for-2s, several Decks have been running 3 of each for this very reason, their use on the field is just the cherry on top.

 

Semi-Limiting isn't for cards which "can only work in 2s or r3s but are dangerous in 3s" such as Malicious, but also for cards that are too powerful to be unlimited, yet not quite enough to make the limit list. You don't see everyone in the metas "running 2 DADs because it's de egzact same fing as running 3 DADs now do you? 3 is SIGNIFICANTLY more than 2, 2 is SIGNIFICANTLY more than 1." And yes Malicious is complete "HAX!!! at 3. It's 2 free Summons at 3, it's 1 free Summon at 2, like Cyber Dragon, and utterly useless at 1 or 0.

[Guest PikaPerson01]

Lacquer is at 3 again' date=' but Prisma's still being limited. Gyzarus isn't the ONLY Fusion monster out there, and it's as good as or better than Future Fusion, thus deserving a Limit spot.[/quote']

 

Name a fusion monster that currently exists that Prisma can be used on that would make it be a broken combo.

 

Plasma and Dogma are compatible with 3 different 2-for-2s, several Decks have been running 3 of each for this very reason, their use on the field is just the cherry on top.

 

Explain how that's a problem.

 

Semi-Limiting isn't for cards which "can only work in 2s or r3s but are dangerous in 3s" such as Malicious, but also for cards that are too powerful to be unlimited, yet not quite enough to make the limit list.

 

How is Malicious "too powerful to be unlimited"?

 

You don't see everyone in the metas "running 2 DADs because it's de egzact same fing as running 3 DADs now do you? 3 is SIGNIFICANTLY more than 2, 2 is SIGNIFICANTLY more than 1."

 

... Did you honestly just compare Malicious to DAD?

 

And yes Malicious is complete "HAX!!! at 3. It's 2 free Summons at 3, it's 1 free Summon at 2, like Cyber Dragon, and utterly useless at 1 or 0.

 

Once again, explain how 2 free summons of an 800 attack beatstick is harmful to the metagame.

[Void Old]

It doesn't matter the ATK, and no I didn't compare Malicious to DAD, I was using it as an example as to how silly a list without semi-limits is.

 

Second of all, calling a monster with 800 ATK a beatstick is really pro. Beatsticks are over 1800.

 

Third of all, it's instant Tribute fodder and it'll soon be Synchro fodder.

 

It's too versatile at 3 and offers too many options.

[Guest PikaPerson01]

It doesn't matter the ATK' date=' and no I didn't compare Malicious to DAD, I was using it as an example as to how silly a list without semi-limits is.[/quote']

 

... How is a list without semi-limits silly again?

 

Second of all, calling a monster with 800 ATK a beatstick is really pro. Beatsticks are over 1800.

 

Learn2obvioussarcasm

 

Third of all, it's instant Tribute fodder and it'll soon be Synchro fodder.

 

I don't see you trying to semi-limit Instant Fusion, Fires of Doomsday, or Fiend's Sanctuary.

 

It's too versatile at 3 and offers too many options.

 

Blanket statement with no backing.

[The Dark One]

By beatstick, Pika means that it has no other inherent effect once it hits the field. Unless you tribute it, it's just dead weight.

 

Also, it can only provide a few free tributes at max. Lets worry about Treeborn first. kthnxbae.

 

The Macro engine is better too, but that doesn't deserve limitation of any kind. (Though treeborn should be banned, obviously.)

[Void Old]

It doesn't matter the ATK' date=' and no I didn't compare Malicious to DAD, I was using it as an example as to how silly a list without semi-limits is.[/quote']

 

... How is a list without semi-limits silly again?

 

Because there's a difference between 2 and 3. >_>

 

Second of all, calling a monster with 800 ATK a beatstick is really pro. Beatsticks are over 1800.

 

Learn2obvioussarcasm

 

Yeah, real nice save. >_>

 

Third of all, it's instant Tribute fodder and it'll soon be Synchro fodder.

 

I don't see you trying to semi-limit Instant Fusion, Fires of Doomsday, or Fiend's Sanctuary.

 

Malicious doesn't have a 1000 LP cost, can be used for Tributes other than DARK monsters, and still allows for other Summons in the same turn. Also harder to negate.

 

It's too versatile at 3 and offers too many options.

 

Blanket statement with no backing.

 

Can be used as D-Draw fodder, Allure Fodder, Tribute Fodder, and is exceptionally hard to negate since it's a Graveyard effect. D.D. Crow seems like the only option. When Synchros come out, I guarantee it will see more play then it already does.

[Guest Chaos Pudding]

Tell me again why things like easy Tribute fodder and the like are bad and should be dealt with? Why is it that just because something gets used does it require being "dealt with"?

[Void Old]

^If you're referring to Malicious, it wasn't I who "dealt with it". It was Konami, and I felt no reason for it to be moved.

[Guest Chaos Pudding]

Then why don't you move it back to where it was before Konami "dealt with it", if you felt no reason why it should have been dealt with in the first place?

[samer_13]

Is this the New Ban List?

[Aashar]

that's a good deck.

[Guest Chaos Pudding]

Is this the New Ban List?

 

What do you think? And' date=' by the way, the answer is no.[/color']

[Guest PikaPerson01]

Is this the New Ban List?

 

I lol'd.

[Mr. Judgment Dragon]

Why is D-Draw Semi'd. It is not Semi Limit worthy.

[Exiro]

D.D. Scout Plane

Elemental Hero Prisma

Fossil Dyna Pachycephalo

Reasoning

Reinforcement of the Army

Royal Oppression

 

Why the heck are these limited?!

You haven't put a reason for any of them.

A good opponent should be able to deal with Pachycephalo and Oppression' date=' at least something in the side deck.

Reasoning has a high chance to be a plain -1.

Please give reasons for these as well.

 

III. Semi-Limited Cards

 

You can ONLY use two of the following cards in the Deck & Side Deck combined:

 

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Wrong.

 

 

Plasma and Dogma were limited due to their compatibility with Allure' date=' D-Draw, and Trade-In, but partly due to their effects, which is why you don't see Dreadmaster, which people will have to make do with instead for their missing 3 2-for-2 compatible spots.

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Dogma halves life points in the opponent's standby phase, so it can't form an OTK, unless you're using chain burn, where Dogma has no place anyway. Unlimit.

 

Solemn was limited due to something needing to be done about OTK decks

 

That's exactly why it needs to be UNLIMITED!

 

Mass Driver/CoSR were banned for their loops.

 

CoSR banned = good

But the reason you gave shows how (un)skilled you are at this game.

 

All the illegal match finishers were downgraded to the banned list' date=' since they were at the same level as Victory Dragon.

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A ban list cannot change the fact that the cards themselves say that they are illegal and cannot be used in a duel.

 

Completely broken cards like the Envoys' date=' DAD, JD, Yata, CCV, and their ilk are not just banned, but illegal. ;)

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A ban list cannot change the fact that the cards themselves don't say that they are illegal and cannot be used in a duel.

 

Bestiari' date=' Lacquer, and Prisma were limited as a blow to GBs.

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You did the right thing by banning Gyzarus. That was enough to stop GBs from blowing.

 

Grandmaster was limited due to its crazyness in SixSam decks.

 

Grandmaster is balanced. If SS blow without using broken cards' date=' they deserve to blow.

 

PoC was banned because of nomi turbo decks coming up. It could pull a EoTE with Norleras and Demise. It had to go.

 

Even if nomi turbo decks weren't coming up at all, this card's effect is simply insane. Wrong reason given again.

 

Caius and Jinzo were limited because they had to be.

 

That is not a reason.

Please give reasons.

 

D-Draw was semi-limited due to everyone running it in 3s.

 

Wrong, but I am willing to look a few characters further.

 

How cards are played by people does not affect what position they deserve in the ban list!